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- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -0/+10Being a Christian is the very same thing as being religious; don't ***** me. As a Christian, you need a little work in the PR department, because you're making your whole faith look bad. I have no problem showing my disdain for religious types who let their superstition override their respect for mankind. Notice the difference.
- inactive, on 07/13/2008, -3/+13Or a jackass who thinks he's doing a good job representing his religion of love and respect.
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -1/+10If that was supposed to mean something, I must've missed it.
- somnambulator, on 07/14/2008, -1/+6I was going to shout to my friends list to avoid this page due to the gun totin' sperm and flower pickin' eggs that it seem to be awash in.
Then I saw your post from Rudyard Kipling.
It is a beautiful poem, from a man who could embody his feelings in words. Something vary rare even today.
So I showed my wife, a descendant of Rudyard Kipling, and she was appalled that you saw fit to include that poem in this hick willy waving contest.
Rudyard Kipling was a product of his time, but he was a gentleman, a scholar and literary genius, not the grunting, boorish neanderthal that everyone here seems to aspire to.
Except you kayala, the only voice of reason in this rucking, roiling throng. - eir574, on 07/14/2008, -1/+6What I object to is not so much the characterization of men in the article, but the idea that there's no overlap between the distributions of stereotypically male and female qualities. Some women are more logical than some men. Some wives are better at certain "hands on" tasks than their husbands are. Some couples find that it makes the most sense for the husband to stay home and raise children while the wife works. Some men care about what they wear, and it doesn't make them less manly than those who don't. (My husband combines both worlds: he refuses to throw out shirts that have holes too numerous to count and stains too bizarre to identify, and then he brings home some barbershop quartet-like outfit he bought at a thrift shop and thinks is fashionable.)
Find a partner who compliments *your* strengths and weaknesses, not those strengths and weaknesses that are stereotypically assigned to your gender. Find a distribution of labor and a lifestyle that suits you as a couple, not one that conforms to traditional gender roles just because it conforms to traditional gender roles, unless that's what you and your partner want. - alanhlake, on 07/12/2008, -6/+11Gotta love women like Patrice -- and my wife!
- somnambulator, on 07/14/2008, -1/+6I totally agree eir574, I have no problem with Manly Men, or Girly Girls. In fact I live in the country, and many of my neighbours are farmers, mechanics, tradesmen etc.
Having said that, they are more like the metrosexuals mentioned in Patrice Lewis article. They behave like blokes when they are together, but it's not a requirement, they are very easy going.
I'm a sport hatin', car hatin', art lovin', music lovin' sort of guy, and my neighbours respect that, and when they come over, we find plenty of things to talk about, plenty of commonality. They don't think less of me because I'm not like them.
My wife is an Amazonian warrior, and when we were teenagers, she delighted in spending the evening in the pub beating every guy at arm wrestling. Some egos were bruised but mostly there was grudging respect. (It was the mid-eighties and sexuality and sexual identity were losing their stereotypes.)
She is in no way girly, and here in Australia that's fine. She is the perfect compliment to my strengths and weaknesses, and I hers.
Why am I not surprised that the same names appear here, championing gender stereotypes, also appear elsewhere championing the bible as an historical record and frothing at the mouth at anyone different from them. What a sad and narrow view of life. - Coven, on 07/14/2008, -1/+5"I am not religious. I am a Christian..."
religious: Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity. - Cate320, on 07/14/2008, -1/+4Well damn. I personally don't care what this woman's preference in men is - as we are all different in that regard. But after reading it, I felt very sorry for her and any woman that still feels less than men.
"When men come to visit us, I perform the womanly task of making coffee and serving it around. What do I get in exchange for this traditional duty? Respect. Manners. Protection when the need arises. A willingness to help. If my husband is out of town and I am faced with a problem beyond my abilities, it merely takes one phone call to any of our neighbors, and a man will be here in a moment to do something heavy, dirty or complicated."
Really? You only get respect and manners because you make yourself subserviant? My boyfriend and I split "womanly duties" like that, and yet I'm still respected by his male friends. They still would come and help me if I needed something, and I them. Funny how that whole "friendship" thing works.
"Heck no. It's not that our men object to women working; it's more that they respect a woman who takes on the home as her primary job. I'm too confident in myself to be offended by this. I am no one's intellectual inferior, but I freely grant there are things I can't do or know nothing about. What's wrong with admitting that?"
It is possible to work and still "take care of the home". The men don't "respect" you for this, they enjoy it because they get to feed their egos by "bringing home the bacon" and making you their servant. Any man that expects a woman to cook and clean up after him just because she is a woman, is not respecting her at all, no matter how polite he is on the surface. The fact that they are so willing to come help you out is because they believe you *need* help (and apparently you do too). That really isn't my definition of respect.
I freely admit that there are things I can't do and don't know. But I also realize I could.. *gasp* ...learn! I might not *ever* be able to lift something really heavy, but that doesn't mean I can't assist whoever (male or female) I get to help me. Anything dexterity, skill or intellect based, I can (and do) simply learn how to do. I gained much of my knowledge of computers, both hardware and software, by fixing my own everytime I had a problem. Would it be easier and quicker just to call one of the multitude of friends I know that are actually IT type guys? Hell yeah, but I get a satisfaction of figuring out things on my own instead of playing "helpless female" and getting someone to help me everytime I have the slightest problem.
"Out here men hunt, fish, build houses, ride horses, swig beer, say "ain't," drive trucks, fix tractors and wear a lot of plaid flannel shirts (sometimes even with suspenders). They don't concern themselves with fashion unless it involves camouflage."
I would be a lesbian if I lived in Idaho, I think. Not because any of those qualities necessarily make someone "bad", but certainly would be incompatible with me. Hunting? Hell no. If I ever found out that my boyfriend looked into the eyes of another living being and was capable of killing it, that would be an instant deal breaker. Any man of mine has to have the same love of animals that I do, for his sanity as well, since I have a tendency to collect a vast menagerie of pets ;)
I *love* my "metrosexual" man. He's clean shaven, well educated, well spoken, well mannered, shares my hobbies, and well dressed (which means he *enjoys* going shopping with me). And not any less "manly" for it. - hogwild77, on 07/13/2008, -5/+8This lady echoes many of my wife's sentiments. We have 2 sons; gotta raise them boys to be men if you want more men. Don't allow wusses at our house.
- inactive, on 07/12/2008, -11/+13Sexism is sexism. If Lewis likes manly men, then that's great. Declaring all men outside her range of taste to be somehow less than men is disgusting.
- Salesti, on 07/13/2008, -6/+8Nice to see a woman NOT hating "manly" men! They take far too much crap for being MEN in this day and age. What's funny is that these are the guys who know the meaning of *respect*, and the abuse they take from the PC crowd (the People of Respect, Fairness and Tolerance) is just unreal! My dad's one of those REAL men, but there aren't as many of my own generation in my neighborhood. Idaho.....hmmmmmmmm..........
- ROaks, on 07/13/2008, -4/+6drachemorder, This is the sort of woman I did marry. I am enjoying it. It's been 39 years as of this month. Yours is out there.
- heaven5951, on 07/13/2008, -6/+8I agree with her 100%. The men around my area (Arkansas) sound much like the men of rural Idaho. Sadly, the younger generation seem not to have the same traits, but maybe they'll learn them as they mature. I love real men, my husband being my favorite, but I also work with men, most of whom are nurses, who love to talk about guns, 4-wheelers, trucks, wrestling, football and NASCAR. I appreciate them being real rather than the phoney, girly-men who are all over TV who are either gay, sissy or boors, very few down-to-earth, real men.
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -0/+2Wow, Dr. Quincy's gettin' hip and jiggy wit' it.
- Nannybell, on 07/13/2008, -5/+6Women trying to be like men is so insane. Men trying to be like women is so pathetic.
- 10QGZus, on 07/13/2008, -5/+6I live in a rural area and have "manly" men all around me as neighbors. These men like their chain saws, their trucks and hunting. They have big burly dogs, not these accessory-types that fit into purses. They dress like men and don't get manicures or use mousse.
Patrice is right on the money. I'll take these bad smelling, gruff men over the well-dressed, well-coiffed girly men any day. - drachemorder, on 07/13/2008, -6/+7Good! This is the sort of woman I want to marry --- one who understands that I'm a man, and who wouldn't have it any other way.
- inactive, on 07/15/2008, -1/+1"I love how men are sensible and no nonsense, the way their minds churn out useful, obvious solutions to problems that baffle me, the way they operate by logic rather than emotion."
If Christian men want to keep belching, breaking wind and scratching their privates they need to start holding up their end of the bargain. - somnambulator, on 07/14/2008, -1/+1I just noticed this bit:
"wear a lot of plaid flannel shirts (sometimes even with suspenders)"
after reading you post.
Maybe there's hope for them yet, exploring their feminine side like that. - camelseye, on 07/14/2008, -3/+2If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!
Rudyard Kipling - inactive, on 07/14/2008, -4/+1I've already made more money this month than you will all year.
- JohnQuincyMD, on 07/14/2008, -4/+0Please don't pass the hater-aid!
- JohnQuincyMD, on 07/14/2008, -4/+0The job search just isn't going well, is it? (how else could you have so much time to make so many obtuse comments; your name says it all)
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -5/+1This is a woman who knows her place is in the kitchen or the bedroom, and understands that when I give her a black eye it's only because I love her.
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -10/+1Kayala, first, I am not religious. I am a Christian which is not the same as being religious. Second, as a Christian I am not required to love and respect secular philosophies such as your opinions. Third, since you have no problems of showing your disdain for anyone with different opinions, I have no problem with talking to you in the same language as you, just so you can understand.
- inactive, on 07/13/2008, -14/+4What is really "disgusting" is a bull dyke with penis envy.
- inactive, on 07/14/2008, -12/+1Kayala, Just talking to you in your own language, you know when in Rome.
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