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- david76, on 10/12/2007, -14/+50I'm guessing you've never read anything by Chomsky. It's okay, I understand, he uses big words.
- iggee85, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45Digg him down, he's just posting the same thing in other posts.
http://digg.com/world_news/Victory_in_Iraq_impossible_says_Kissinger - sockpuppets, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43Those of you digging up Irimi should realize he just cut and pastes this same reply around.
http://www.digg.com/world_news/Victory_in_Iraq_impossible_says_Kissinger
Oops iggee85 beat me by an inch. - theworldisround, on 10/12/2007, -19/+46I think you meant:
America's Government = evilllllll - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29"It's pretty easy to argue when you're right."
It's even easier to lie and just pretend you are right. - sunra, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32If he were a professor of rhetoric, you'd have an argument. Not a very good one, but it would make sense. But linguistics studies what a language is, not how to use it effectively.
- Phssthpok, on 10/12/2007, -5/+27[[This is the guy that Hugo Chavez quotes.
If Chavez likes him, then it's got to be warped.]]
Well if you said Chomsky quotes Chavez you might have swayed me. So what if Chavez quotes him.
I'll tell you what.... I'll watch the video and think for myself
and you can go scratch. - William01, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Christopher Hitchens, rightwing tool that he now is, did an excellent job debunking the "Noam Chomsky defended the Khmer Rouge" lie years ago.
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/other/85-hitchens.html - CandidateZero, on 10/12/2007, -10/+30That's the stuff, Guetranza! Personally attack those who find his analysis valid. Awesome. And don't you dare try to address his arguments, then you might actually have to consider them.
As for how this got to the front page, I think it's a result of Digg users digging the submission. - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23I think this whole "truth" thing is pretty new to the Rebublicans. They'll get the hang of it eventually. It hurts at first....
- brusty, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Sad how many people comment that have never read anything by the man, seen him speak, or know little of actual (read: not changed by America) history.
Keep eating what's being shovelled, Chomsky haters, and continue being part of the problem. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24A valid argument is testable. It doesn't matter who makes the argument. Either its formulation is valid, and its premises true, or not.
As such, the ad hominem is totally useless. - dopyoman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Join the Army and show your support.
I for one don't think there will be any benifit for the American people even if we win. The only people who would benift from this war are defense contractors. - dime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17You know what I find neat? ***** that are so intellectually ill-equipped to debate a position that they resort to mounting half assed personal attacks on the person making it.
- ulyssesyt, on 10/12/2007, -7/+23not the sharpest tool in the box, are you?
- sievo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Did you see the post above re: ad hominem fallacies?!
Just because a hipocrite said it doesn't automatically refute an argument. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15@DaveV
Ah, yes, Kissinger- who pulled the strings for the overthrow of Allende in Chile, seating Pinochet. How could I overlook him?
Kissinger has the most experience, certainly not the most wisdom - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15You remember back when we used to condemn torture, and those who used it?
We used to be America... They should probably come up with a new name for what the last six years have turned us into... - Jack9, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I appreciate the need for you to repeat the same thing over and over again. I can answer.
It would seem that you could only _assess_ Chompsky's views if he was born and lived in an environment you approve of. Expecting someone to gain wisdom without experience, regardless of those experiences, is akin to an aboriginal denouncing Western Civilization as hypocriticial because Western Civilization recognizes all Gods and does not force people to also worship the _proper_ Gods. This outlook is neither helpful in understanding the nature of US policy, nor is it a logical approach to evidence against his logical arguments.
You are a hypocrite in some ways, being no less perfect than anyone else. - otheruser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Kinda of like what the conservative media does, right?
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17"i wish he was a charismatic speaker... cause he is boring as all SH*T!!!! that's right all in capitals. you can have the greatest things to say in the world but if nobody is awake to hear them, what good are you?"
Those that actually listen to the facts and arguments he brings up considers him anything but boring. If someone has, quoting you, "the greatest things to say in the world" and you have a hard time staying awake, then perhaps you have been watching to much MTV, or their sister channels: FOX and CNN?
Politics should not be about fact devoid ad hominems, intentional misleading of the public, grandstanding, and theater. With Chomsky it isn't, it's about facts 99% of the time. I for one appreciate that very much. - kremvax, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yeah, you made me comment on a post I didn't even want to read in the first place.
But my lack of opposable thumbs prevents me from skipping stories that don't interest me and compels me to whine like a little girl.
Boooohooo hoo hoohooooo...... - William01, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12He was mistranslated. He said that he wished he had met economist John Kenneth Galbraith (who had recently passed) before his death.
The American media gleefully jumped all over the mistranslation, of course, eager to make Chavez look like an idiot. - parker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14drunkjack
i like your usage of the classic ad hominem argument. when i don't know enough about the issues i totally just try to discredit those who disagree. it's a very effective strategy.
via wikipedia:
A (fallacious) ad hominem argument has the basic form:
1. A makes claim X.
2. There is something objectionable about A.
3. Therefore claim X is false. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15I call ***** on that.
- djimmy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12I'm digging you up because that's exactly what Rush would say. Niiiice.
- mstnpb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@greenreefer:
jesus christ... how ***** stoned ARE you? - rmmcclay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13It might be easier to just dismiss Chomsky than to actually listen to what he has to say.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12None of you posters have commented on the salient point that this was taped on April 5th, 2003. Which is a lenghty amount of time for spoken observations to have been confirmed and or refuted.
Strange, it's almost as if many of you are posting your opinions of the speech without actually listening to it...unpossible! - deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Do you have a link. I'd like to see your proof.
- alirio, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Linguistics is the study of language AND how it affects us...
You show your ignorance when you judge a linguist unqualified to speak on politics.
Politics is all about language.
Is American foreign policy "Spreading democracy" or is it achieving hegemony?
The words people choose to use can tell you a lot about what they actually mean, and, more importantly, what they don't want you to think they mean. - igibson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14it should be see both sides of the arguement, not face the truth - polarizing political issues leads to a divided america
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Maybe because conservatives are full of ***** and everyone knows it?
- bargash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I'm finding it unsettling/unfortunate that many of the people, on both sides of the political spectrum here are regarding the opinions of anyone who disagrees with them as being less than intelligent - Noam Chomsky may not be right, in your opinion, but he is a very intelligent man... if I remember correctly, he's the most quoted intellectual in the world today (this is not to say that the people who quote him are necessarily bright). Henry Kissinger, say what you will, is not an unintelligent man. Christopher Hitchens drives me up the wall, but he's definitely intelligent - I don't agree with any of them... this does not make them stupid. Wrong? Maybe. Stupid? Not in the slightest.
- whodatis, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17Brilliant speech, he may be a MIT linguistics professor, but he does have an interesting and researched background in politics....
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@doctechnical
You quote Chomsky as saying this:
"The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton’s bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing unknown numbers of people."
You also twist his word to give them a meaning I very much doubt he intended. However, let's stick to just this statement. You attack him for saying that, without supplying any backing what so ever for that being an invalid position to to take. Care to tell us why you disagree? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Damn DrunkJack that would be pretty cool wouldn't it? Except you would have to disregard the obvious fact that the stuff he pushes in his lectures and debates is blisteringly true.
- zeiben, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Yeah, in fact, the military is getting good intel by using transformational grammar on detainees. All thanks to Chomsky
- grapfx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"I want us to win and succeed in a Iraq, so I don't let it matter much"
Ring, Ring...the recruiter's calling. WTF, why won't you answer the phone. - SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"We're not haters. Just disagree. Socialism bad. Supply side economics good."
I'm sorry, could you point out the part where he took any stance of any sort for any economic system in this talk? No? Then what kind of argument against what he says here is that? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Evil is as evil does as Forrest Gump might say. If we start vindicating everything we do simply because we're America (f'in' aye!) then we're never likely to own up to our mistakes.
Of course, admitting mistakes does seem SO last week, doesn't it? - Jack9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Rule by the ignorant masses? That was swept away long ago in favor of rule by the corrupt, incompetent, few.
- RpgActioN, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Ah, the old "believe what I say or you're stupid!" argument. Never fails, that one.
- dmoc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If you have a hard time listening to him you can always read one of his many books. http://www.chomsky.info/books.htm
- SmokedL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Bush is not considered an idiot for sometimes pausing to find the right words. He's considered an idiot for very often being unable to make sense when he talks. Chomsky most definitely does not have that problem. Being a great orator, and making sense is two quite different things. Chomsky excels at the latter. Bush most definitely does not.
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Tell me about it... I'm an atheist libertarian that doesn't use a Mac or Ubuntu, so I was ***** before the front page even finished loading.
- metafore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6whether you agree or disagree, you should give it a listen (or at least get the cliff's notes) and get edumacated.
dugg - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yeah the funny part about that chavez plug is that Noam doesn't believe that Bush was behind 911.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Anybody who thinks Chomsky is from the left knows absolutely nothing about him at all. The funniest thing in the world was when he was invited to plug one of his books on an air america show hosted by Garofalo. Turns out he supported none of her crackpot leftwing tirades and ended up leaving early when she started asking really stupid questions.
- CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The US isn't destroying Democracy, it is destroying itself because it doesn't work. The US just happens to be an excellent example of a dysfunctional Democracy. And of course Iraq is a shining example of a country where Democracy has no chance of even taking hold.
Let's face it, whatever the problem is, Democracy is not the answer. -
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