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- amabaie, on 04/16/2009, -0/+40This is a superb visualization. Worth anyone's 90 seconds to see how the land has changed hands.
- waldo686, on 04/16/2009, -1/+23they dont have ***** on the mongols though
- inactive, on 04/16/2009, -0/+22I think there are some mistakes in this visualization. But idea is great. And yes.. it worth 90 seconds to watch it!
- inactive, on 04/16/2009, -0/+20A kingdom is one country run by a king, an empire is several countries/kingdoms run by one Emperor.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=difference+kingdom+empire& ... - IDigDiggingDigg, on 04/16/2009, -6/+25So, thats why they are so pissed. Can we just leave them the ***** alone?
- inactive, on 04/16/2009, -1/+15The Romans, and Persians sure controlled alot of land.
- mdmanic, on 04/16/2009, -1/+15Yeah, that happened in the last century (or less). The area was the center of human civilization for 99% of the time we've been around. I'd say the balance of power didn't even begin to tip toward Europe until the colonization of the Americas, and the Ottomans were a world power until WWI. The Islamic empires are also the only reason why any of the knowledge of classical antiquity was preserved- it sure wasn't in dark ages Europe.
- kp998, on 04/16/2009, -0/+9What's the difference between Kingdom & Empire?
- str3ama, on 04/16/2009, -0/+9that was awwesome.
mongols rocked EurAsia - they had everything from Mongolia/Northern China all the way through to South-Western Europe (coast to coast - that's freaking insane). Probably next is the roman empire and the caliphate or ottoman.
Reminds me of Rome Total War - lol only seeing this I'm pretty sure there wasn't a distance to capital bonus. - heartoftofu, on 04/16/2009, -2/+11I find it somewhat amusing that the Islamic nations in the region were arguably more civilized 1000 years ago than they are today... You know the problem isn't Islam because the religion had been around long before that entire region became the dump it has become today... =/
- chaosmantis, on 04/16/2009, -0/+9(A very basic defination) An Empire consists of a collection of usually conquered kingdoms.
- JCEEZ, on 04/16/2009, -0/+8I just read some book about Genghis Khan. It was pretty gnarly. He did a lot of princess shagging, and his decedents have been in power up till something like 1912.
- lemur, on 04/16/2009, -1/+9Depends on how you define "control." Imagine the Mongols are piece of butter and Eurasia is a slice of bread.
- pintomp3, on 04/16/2009, -2/+10But god promised it to my people. He's my real estate agent.
- NoamChimpsky, on 04/16/2009, -0/+7All of those empires had borders.
Maybe they weren't drawn up by international law, but they sure as hell were there. The Romans didn't bother with Britain north of Hadrian's wall, the Persians only ever got so close to the Greeks, the Egyptians didn't wander into the Sahara. Borders can be many things, rivers, seas, mountains, deserts, or just a buffer zone between two states.
The problem with 20th century is that another type of border: the grouping of ethnic and religious populations was ignored in establishing many middle eastern countries, so that disparate groups were forced into different nations. The boundaries don't need to go away so much as be redrawn. - RuSTeDs, on 04/16/2009, -1/+8@claverhouse, there is no point in trying to diminish the hard work of scientists, artists and innovators who happened to be living in the Caliphate
"The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance,[1] was traditionally dated from the 700 A.D. to 1200 A.D.C.E.,[2] but has been extended to the 15th[3] and 16th[4] centuries by some scholars. During this period, artists, engineers, scholars, poets, philosophers, geographers and traders in the Islamic world contributed to the arts, agriculture, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, sociology, and technology, both by preserving and building upon earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own.[5] Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together made a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
We should learn to respect science and innovation whenever and where ever it occured, even if it occured in the lands of people you don't like. - inactive, on 04/16/2009, -0/+6and now they control night clubs
- novenator, on 04/16/2009, -0/+5Have to say, that's pretty damn cool.
- jamspt, on 04/16/2009, -0/+5Because governments love the removal of their taxable land...
- heartoftofu, on 04/16/2009, -0/+5There was plenty of war to go around long before the existence of political boundaries. Human beings will always find something to fight over.
- ikeeel4money, on 04/16/2009, -0/+5yes there are some mistakes. Also several empires existed in some eras at the same time, it would have been helpful if they showed how these empires grew into each other.
- ikeeel4money, on 04/16/2009, -0/+4The mongols where stopped by the Muslims in Egypt.
- giyad, on 04/16/2009, -4/+8people need to just realize that this land is in no ones hands, you can't control it... call me a hippie but land is not a possession
- serif69, on 04/16/2009, -2/+6That's because it was invented in the 20th century by a collection of people in the area who were tired of everything in this visualization. The fight against the independent nations because they have never been recognized as a nation, country, empire, kingdom, or any such formal establishment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people Check source material as well. And compare that to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine Notice that the history of Palestinian people dates to 1917, while the history of Palestine as a region predates recorded history.
- nourkah, on 04/16/2009, -0/+4I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal of how often the land changes hands. if you looked at a map like this of europe, china or pretty much anywhere else in the world it would change just as often. Most of those groups probably held the land for longer than the United States has even been around, and I'm sure in 2000 years our own country will have changed hands just as often. The whole world is like this.
- inactive, on 04/16/2009, -0/+4Mongols had entire China, not just northern China. The only countries they couldn't conquer that was right under their nose was Japan and Vietnam.
- darkhorn, on 04/16/2009, -0/+3By the way Seljuks are the Turks.
- Claverhouse, on 04/16/2009, -4/+7Actually, it was: particularly through the Roman Catholic church, Ireland and the Byzantine Empire. The Islamic age of science only lasted from the 8th to 11th centuries, during which the first european universities were founded, and after which the muslims decided to return to destroying any knowledge that was deemed against their religion.
- inactive, on 04/16/2009, -0/+3Java as well. They would have flattened Europe too, had the Khan not convieniently died.
- wthulhu, on 08/29/2009, -0/+3Who was this man, named Gengis Khan, who ruled the world like no man ever has? How can one simple man, under the right circumstances, manage such a terrible and momentous feat?
- TheMadPoet, on 04/16/2009, -0/+3I think that's "goddamn hippie". Well, really death will take everything from you with deadly force, land title notwithstanding, so in the grand scheme of things you may temporarily possess and enjoy, but you really can't 'own'.
I think the general point is that for someone with more power than you, your land title don't mean *****. Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws — Mayer Amsched Rothchild. I think the hippies just conclude, well ***** it, since I don't have this kind of power to begin with, I'll just go have a good time and experience my life as deeply as I can. They just opt out of the frenzy to wrench power from the powerful by force. Peace out Mr. Heston. - kp998, on 04/18/2009, -0/+3@dread Pre-emptive is the operative word here, right or wrong depends on which side of the fence you are on. My response was only to the fact of who fired the first round and I stand by it.
- DPDish12, on 04/16/2009, -0/+3I think you have to send religion packing with the borders before you begin to see a real reduction in violence.
Land and religion...that's pretty much the basis for every war in the history of human civilization. - RuSTeDs, on 04/16/2009, -1/+4Name a country that has a glorious past and no future?
Mongolia. - alain4911, on 04/16/2009, -2/+5Hahahaha. How many unanswered wars does it take?
- inactive, on 04/16/2009, -5/+7Didn't see "Armenian Empire"?
Oh right.. no such thing!!! - fadetoone, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2I'm looking at some of the other animations now. Pretty cool site.
- jgubbe, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2.....Looks like little sausage next to the vast colossal...... HAHAHA......
- lemur, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2It's just an idea that comes from cultural division and identity.
- giyad, on 04/16/2009, -2/+4so we can conclude a couple of things from that... the violence will never stop (look at how many times the land has changed hands)
and, its the stupid Europeans and their establishing of borders that caused all these problems to be so condensed into one region! Seriously, we just need to get rid of these borders so that there is nothing to fight over anymore, or at least we'll have to find something different to fight about - dstz, on 04/17/2009, -0/+2And the first one would be the Akkadian Empire, offspring of the already ancient Sumerian civilization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer#History
Egypt at the time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom
China at the time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sovereigns_and_ ... - lemur, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2Sounds about right
- sentientbeing, on 04/16/2009, -3/+5Hmmm... indeed
Yeah. Theyre obviously singling Israel out specifically over the last 3000 years.
Theyre Jew-hating anti-Semites. Obviously.
/sarc - pathouston22, on 04/16/2009, -1/+3Uh no.
- unorginalityftw, on 04/20/2009, -0/+2Mongols didn't really control. They kind of just went, "okay, you pay us tribute each year when we come by or we sack your city and kill you all.". I mean, effective, but it wasn't like they actively went about establishing layered administration or anything everywhere they went. So in that way that maintained effective control over lands, no one was about to rebel against them once they had conquered the region.
- toddc612, on 04/16/2009, -3/+5Why does the presentation need to point out Isreal's expansion? Never mind the fact they "expanded" when they were attacked by numerous surrounding Arab nations.
Not trying to be paranoid, but I'm sure the other empires expanded over time but the presentation doesn't illustrate that..
Hmmm... - ELee, on 04/16/2009, -0/+2Qatar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar
> On September 3, 1971, Qatar became an independent sovereign state. - murx, on 04/18/2009, -1/+3Well... at least it shows Israel doesn't really have a 'historic right' to that area - it's not even really a close runner there.
95% of the time it is non-existant.
Sure, same goes for the 'Palestine' - but that doesn't mean a coherent kingdom/nation/tribe but the area and it's all the different people living there.
So you get the same 'Yugoslavian' problems, balkanisation, there - everyone wants his own country - and the serbs try to ***** up all the rest because they just happen to be a big group at the time.
Well, 'jews' are only a big group for one reason - they 'invaded' (tho as civilians) the area.
Well, if say, in NY live 10% Germans and say... X million Germans made their way to NY and live, buy an appartment and such, changing the percentage to 70% does NY have the 'right' to leave the US and become a second 'Germany' or what?
Well - THAT's what happend in Palestine, THAT's why 'Israel' exists (as one of a few other reasons). - Swarms, on 04/16/2009, -0/+1Ah thanks. Qatar, where that Scorponok attacked those military guys.
- giyad, on 04/18/2009, -0/+1agreed
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