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- bariswheel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23I'm disappointed people have to preamble an decent statement made by the gentleman above with 'I'm not a dirty dumbass liberal hippie, but...'
In a nutshell, this goes to show why people who make sensical statements are afraid to speak up because we live among asshats who like to label people with derogatory, demeaning words to win more people to their side. Should we call them 'conservatives' ? I just labeled a group of people with one word. Don't you think that's direspectful? Humans are the most complex organisms out there, you cannot simply put one word behind that. I don't see this as being that different as to call someone the N word, or another demeaning term. I hate doing it.
People need to start thinking outside the box, and think critically. Vote and make your minds according to each issue, without being compelled to join a a group of people because you're afraid to speak up and want shelter one way or the other. Don't be a lemming, don't feed into old fashioned black or white nonsense. Make up your mind, think critically about each issue, DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP.
No Brawndo on the plants!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYnc_-ddlw - hamstu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17This movie will make you sad. But it's a good watch.
- kd1s, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8What really killed the electric car was the realization reached by GM. Spare parts market would pretty much evaporate because an electric vehicle really is simpler than one driven by an internal combustion engine.
Think about it for a moment. Average car requires $600 to $800 a year maintenance. Things like belts, filters, oil changes, tires, etc. An electric car only needs periodic battery replacement and tires. - creep303, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13From my understanding, it was the Stonecutters.
- bellisland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9For all the people who doubt that emission are better on Electric Vehicles even when charging from Coal Fired Plants
Read this,
"Studies by Energy Commission staff of electric vehicles' impact on the South Coast Air Basin in Los Angeles find that EVs significantly reduce criteria pollutants, those pollutants for which there are ambient concentration standards. Some pollutants are reduced by more than 90 percent and as much as 98 percent, compared to gasoline-powered vehicles, even when power plant emissions are included. We are confident that carbon monoxide and reactive organic gases (a precursor of ozone) will be greatly reduced. We believe oxides of nitrogen (also a precursor to ozone) will be substantially reduced."
Don't doubt the advantages of ELECTRIC CARS!!!!
Sources:
Quote From, http://www.energy.ca.gov/papers/95-07-12_imbrecht_EV_essay.txt
http://www.energy.ca.gov/afvs/index.html
http://www.energy.ca.gov/papers/96-EV+EMISSIONS.PDF
(do your research next time) - vexter, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Another classic example of corportate greed in America.
- sshelato, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7That's it. I'm done with this *****. I'm going to start converting my car to electric right now. Any geek can convert his car to an electric, and every geek should.
- marcuschi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That redhead is pretty cute.
- EvilFerret, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Holy *****....they didn't tell anyone. I'd buy one of those EV1s in a heartbeat.
- RocketSeason, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Who killed the Who killed the Electric Car video?
- Tracker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Video removed.
- bellisland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Download it for ipod before it goes down
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Well the reason people with new ideas are afraid to speak up is like you said they'll be labeled as hippies or liberal... because that's part of the foundation of conservatism. Conservatives wish to conserve some type of ideal lifestyle in society and feel that any changes to that are a direct threat and those people like for ex: environmentalists are an enemy.
- Pitfan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Gas turbine power plants are not as cheap per kwh as coal power plants, and why would they make power plants that have a fuel that will only last 40 or so years? Gas turbines are only used in peak load conditions as it is, mainly because the fuel is so expensive. Building a gas power plant may be more efficient, but the fuel is still going to be expensive when compared to coal. Nuclear power is a much better alternative; cheap, efficient, less waste, and we aren't going to run out of the fuel anytime soon.
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I greatly disagree, the oil that would be used for cars could be used in gas turbine power plants. It would yield more power then a gasoline engine because gasoline engines are inefficient. While as a large power planet is much more efficient. There would also be no need to transport fuel to the tens of thousands of fuel stations across the country; adding even more efficiency. Which overall would make this the US an economic super power again.
Add in some large slow moving wind turbines and solar power on all homes and oil just might not be need for combustion engines anymore. - Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3True. They acted in greed, and now, GM, Ford, and the money-losing Chrysler division of Daimler-Chrysler are simply reaping what they sowed. Toyota is about to overtake GM as the world's #1 auto maker. I hope the American auto makers learned a good dose of humility, 'cause they need to wake up and realize the evil they've committed for the sake of short term profits.
- lemz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.40mpg.org/
- stormfilter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The big tragedy is that this technology was hidden and destroyed (in the name of profit...) from the world. The EV1 was ground breaking... just imagine, an American car company would have taken the front in this technology, people loved this car and it was practical. Now most US auto makers resort making these pathetic hybrids that in every part of the world are considered jokes when you have diesels getting nearly double the MPG... Imagine holding back the release of the color TV when you have a 10 year head start... It's just sad and to those that halted it; simply pathetic.
- pseudojd, on 10/12/2007, -12/+15coming from a conservative non hippie, this was an insightful movie. It is hard to believe that most cars aren't plug in electric.
- JasonMD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Looks like Google killed the electric car!
- triblinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2its gone =(
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even if coal is the cheapest way to go, burning coal at maximal tuned efficiency in a power plant is better than tens of millions of cars burning gasoline inefficiently on the roads. Fortunately, the proportion of wind and solar in our power grid is slowly increasing.
- Dested, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4They also apparently make Steve Guttenberg a star.
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Don't be hard on him for declaring that he's a "non-hippie"; I myself am a conservative, and I'll tell you right now that conservatives are too often swayed by the party line that is heavily influenced by the oil interests. Sad but true: conservatives often need to be explicitly told that someone who thinks environmental protection and energy independence are not "hippie" concepts, and that conservatives can actually hold these things in high esteem.
- hagbard72, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wonder how I didn't see this when it was first posted. Anyway, does the video address what happens when millions of electric car owners plug into the power grid? Seems to me that energy demands for electric power are already at their max, and also, its not like solar power is going to in any way make up for that in the foreseeable future. If they build new power plants, they're going to be run by natural gas, nuclear, or coal (and in Canada, maybe hydro electric).
- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Or, you can switch to biodiesel, at the cost of 50 cents per gallon (post processing), with the typical diesel vehicle getting something like 35-40 miles per gallon of biodiesel. If you process your own, you can go get used fast food frying oil for virtually free; restaurants normally have to pay people to process the oil for them. They'll gladly let you take their used oil for free.
Biodiesel, IMHO, is cheaper than going all electric, and is carbon neutral, since all the carbon emitted is compensated for by carbon being captured in agriculture, from which biodiesel came.
Watch this documentary on "freedom fuels" (but ignore what they say about hydrogen, 'cause hydrogen isn't a fuel: it's a lousy battery. The energy spent making hydrogen that is used to generate electricity would be better used by simply using it to charge batteries.)
http://www.freedomfuels.info/ - vexter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@rick Study your science, you are wrong. It just doesnt work that way.
Electric cars were killed because studies showed that using you coal resources at the rate required for wide spread electric cars would hurt national security.
The long term goal of our government is to be the last man standing when the fuels start to run out. As much as I hate it, I dont want to be chinese either. - trev0006, on 05/19/2008, -0/+1They can only fight the truth for a limited amount of time, these electric cars will show their face in recent years. http://www.dpccars.com/ http://www.discountpartcenter.com/
- dianesummers, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1Google Massacre Bonus http://www.squidoo.com/Google-Massacre_Bonus this is really google massacre bonus style!
- mkjones, on 12/24/2007, -0/+1Loved that film, thank you for posting it :-)
I was always of the understanding that the Electric Car was a non-stater because burning coal makes just as much if not MORE impact on the environment, turns out this is wrong.
Also the whole part on Hydrogen Fuel Cells is a mess. In the original Apollo LEM system back in the 60s they used fuel cells smiler to this and over the years it was realised this was a mistake and they went with safer more efficient batteries.
Fast forward to today and fuel cells are still years away because of the same problems.
Batteries are the near-future, its just the way we charge them up which is the issue. - rbowen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw recently:
"What exactly are conservatives trying to conserve?" - desqjockey, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Not thaaat much simpler- you still have suspension, braking and drivetrain issues.
- BigSlacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nonsense. The technology is in use in practical form right now. It wasn't intended to be a consumer vehicle but was a test system for all the various systems. Honda is in the process of doing the same thing with their fuel cell based electric. It's also completely impractical and will cost as much as a house, but the real world data is worth the expense.
- rbowen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What documentaries are you watching?
- Adamande, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Our children are made sick by the air they breathe, and no body's even fighting for this? People never stop to surprise me. The movie labeled the public guilty, and I agree wholeheartedly. Where is the consumer-demand for clean cars? Why don't the sheeple care even if they are slowly poisoning themselves and others, creating a health epidemic of cancer and respiratory diseases?
Watch the scene with the mechanic again. Go into the garage and poke around your own engine. Then check out your hands. You're breathing that stuff. It's in your lungs. You might as well start smoking.
I will buy a clean car the day somebody finally has the balls to let them be distributed to the public. Until then, I'll continue riding my bike. - cuddleparty, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2a little off topic, but seeing all that traffic makes me glad i don't live in a large city.
- e4digg, on 10/16/2008, -1/+1Detroit will not provide us with a reasonably priced, reasonable performance electric vehicle for a long time!
Make one yourself. I did...
http://www.ZeroGasoline.com - pazolozap, on 03/14/2008, -0/+0More people should learn about this. EV technology is really becoming impressive, like the new Zap that does 0-60mph in 4.8 seconds. Electric is looking more and more like the way to go.
- CyberBlade, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Saw this months ago on usenet.
it was a very interesting flick that pointed out many things i didnt know.
i remember when i was a kid that someone invented a rechargeable car. (battery and recharger) and he sold his idea to the government..
no idea what happened after that, but he was financially secure without any 'production line' or even any drop of info about how he did it (well nda ofcourse)
this is what the movie/doco is about...
what happened to the electric car and when will GM stop being a bitch with their latest model and thoes crap hybrids? (hybrid, half idiot/half moron)
my 2 cents.
(Hybrid quote from simpsons) - theranch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ever hear of wind power? What a great natural resource along with the sun. We will always be moving horizontal as long as the oil companies have some power in Washington. It's sickening.
- adambeazley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The real way to go is hydrogen/electric hybrids with solar panel tops. Hydrogen is definently the future!
But, if you have a solar panel system at home why not get an electric car? - mcmitchell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Something I enjoyed about this film was that unlike most documentaries that say ***** this and ***** that, this one ended on a rather positive note, with people expressing their optimism for the future of plug in electric vehicles.
- shirosamurai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I highly recommend watching this - there's no environmentalist mumbo-jumbo or anything, all sides are weighed in equally. I was hoping that this video would eventually get some more mainstream attention - seeing it on digg is a step forward. To see so many corporate interests willing to shut down electric cars to protect their profits is a sad look at the way things are run in this country.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@truegodofwar
dumb, pointless pointer - prinzrob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1There has been a working EV1 parked at the US Berkeley Richmond Field Station for over a year. I think they acquired it to use as a test vehicle but it has just been gathering dust for a long time, so I have been asking around to see if they might be able to sell it, or at least offer me a test drive. I have not been behind the wheel yet, but it looks pretty amazing from the outside.
By the way, here in California with over 300 sunny days per year it is a crying shame that most people drive to work at all. Seriously, unless you are handicapped or hauling cargo, please just bike. You will thank me later when you don't die of heart disease at 60 years old. And if you are complaining that you can't bike the 50 miles from home to work, why the hell are you living 50 miles from work? You are smarter than that. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Too late, already ripped the DVD.
- jimohagan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Only problem I see with electric cars that plugin are the need to expand the power grid, and the cheapest way to do that is coal fired plants, which are of themselves a problem. Of course, fast breeder nuclear is the way to go, but weapons grade plutonium as the waste does have its caveats as well. Hybrids are the reasonable way to go for the foreseeable future. They offer the best mileage and range for the user.
If I had money and my way, however, I would get a Tesla! That is a sweet ride. Electric/Hybrid/Alternative fuel cars as they are have little style.
P.S. I am a dirty conservative. - Chinnydaisy, on 02/23/2008, -4/+3I'm sad too, I'll be starting with a large Canadian Oil and Gas Company when I graduate this spring.
And I know I have an entire future career ahead of me that will only make things worse...
I should have become a Dentist - psychoace, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0No one killed the electric car it has just been delayed. Ask the new car company Tesla. Mind you that you car is full of batteries and not space. Your car can't go further then a few towns over before needing recharge and the speed I am sure GM's electric car could ascend to was probably unacceptable on highways. Also it might of been pretty expensive. Either way none of those reasons killed the electric car it was Mcdonalds.
Oh yeah I am sure the producers of the video had the video taken down because they wanted to make as much money as possible from DVD sales. Which is almost like what everyone is saying Big Oil is doing with the electric car. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1excellent obscure reference
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