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Fight Your Way To Breakthroughs (Why Some Fighting is Good)!
behance.com — Many creative teams believe that their greatest mistakes are made when nobody argues. When multiple people have a strong opinion, you ’re bound to disagree - and clash. Your approach to managing the impassioned “fighting” that ensues is a critical factor in your ability to find the best solution.
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- anrahman, on 02/04/2008, -3/+23Silence leads to things like the Zune and the Honda Element. Fight it out!
- likeOMGdotorg, on 02/04/2008, -0/+7you have no idea how much that made me laugh...or how much that is true.
- smackhero, on 02/04/2008, -0/+4the zune may not have been an iPod killer, and certainly has its fair share of flaws, but it's actually got some pretty innovative features IMO. hopefully one day when DRM loses its iron grip on the music/film industry, we'll see more portable media devices with wireless filesharing features (perhaps an open standard allowing files to be swapped between different portable media players).
- nelziq, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1Lol wut? The Honda Element is brilliant. Its spacious, stylish, economical, and innovative. If only all cars could be designed so well...
- anrahman, on 02/04/2008, -1/+1it's also ugly.
- strongsad, on 02/04/2008, -1/+0also reminds me of the Subaru Impreza redesign -- barfalicious. Someone should have started throwing office furniture, that's all I'm sayin'.
- bengaltiger, on 02/04/2008, -5/+6all fighting is good.
- hydroplane, on 02/04/2008, -1/+4Only Sith deal in absolutes!
- chubbybubba, on 02/04/2008, -1/+1Last time I checked the Sith were winning.
- SkippyDoorknob, on 02/04/2008, -1/+4But isn't that an absolute statement made by the jedi?
- Terr01, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1Equivocate over "deal in", you must.
- LokitheComplex, on 02/04/2008, -0/+2Would you like to step outside and say that?
- noahhoward, on 02/04/2008, -1/+3Words are for pussies step out side and put up. There's never been an argument a lead pipe couldn't put a stop to.
- hydroplane, on 02/04/2008, -1/+4Only Sith deal in absolutes!
- imikedaman, on 02/04/2008, -5/+14During the last Democratic debate, Obama said he's going to avoid surrounding himself with yes-men because he knows he isn't always right and he wants someone who will force him to consider his actions and research each and every choice. This is why.
- chubbybubba, on 02/04/2008, -0/+3I thought that's what wives were for.
- noahhoward, on 02/04/2008, -0/+2That's what Bill thought.
- chubbybubba, on 02/04/2008, -0/+3I thought that's what wives were for.
- ideasware, on 02/04/2008, -1/+6The sad and hilarious thing is that anybody needs to be told this. Of course you can't progress without really trying -- having a view, engaging actively, pushing for it, encountering other views, challenging each other, letting the real world dictate who wins and why.
In our PC, dumbed-down, spoiled American culture, this is news. That's why America is becoming the rest of the world's bitch. Because most of us don't know what being alive means.- ileftfark, on 02/04/2008, -4/+1That offends me at the highest level. Jesus didn't give me the right to believe what I want just so you people can go believing what you want (which is wrong, btw). You're lucky I don't sue you.
- flummoxed, on 02/04/2008, -1/+1hahaha, sue my wang
- HalfGiraffe, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1Hilarious. I don't know why people are digging you down. I guess your sense of humour is cutting a little too close to reality.
- smackhero, on 02/04/2008, -2/+1that is why dissent is patriotic. just as troubled waters will never become stagnant, political dissent prevents intellectual/cultural stagnation.
and this is precisely the problem that has plagued our society. people have become too complacent and apathetic about our nation's political life. it has nothing to do with political correctness, but rather a preoccupation with banal/trivial matters like celebrity gossip and materialism. the media holds a large part of the guilt, but with the advent of the internet, the public can still expose themselves to a diverse range of independent news sources if they wanted to.
however, with the post-9/11 swell of ultra-nationalism, much of the public now considers any kind of dissent to be "un-american," meanwhile they willingly capitulate our personal liberties to a warmongering government. democracy simply does not work when the public is docile and utterly subservient. but voters continue to allow themselves to be bought off by tax cuts while ignoring urgent social problems.
- ileftfark, on 02/04/2008, -4/+1That offends me at the highest level. Jesus didn't give me the right to believe what I want just so you people can go believing what you want (which is wrong, btw). You're lucky I don't sue you.
- hugoguzman, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1If done properly and with the end goal of the company's success, "fighting" is most definitely a pathway to success.
- dave122, on 02/04/2008, -0/+3Which is what I hate about my job, doing this is looked down upon and I end up giving in (or getting fired) and I build ***** that I know sucks because someone in upper management that doesn't know anything about the subject 'likes it that way' bleh.
- basterricker, on 02/04/2008, -0/+0Dave, I think your comments resonate in a lot of us; certainly for me. It really is a shame that once people gain power, they seem to prefer strict agreements to their thoughts as opposed to smart consideration of the possibility that something can be made better.
- designerutah, on 02/04/2008, -0/+5Good rules to live by:
1. If you care about it passionately, fight for it.
2. If you don't care about it, it doesn't matter enough to be bothered by it, so don't sweat it.
3. If it still bothers you, it matters more than you realized and is therefore worth fighting for.
4. When you fight for anything, sometimes you'll lose. - cazbot, on 02/04/2008, -3/+1Wow, none of you have ever heard of a committee apparently. Think about it. A committee designed the Zune. Steve Jobs designed the iPod. All the best things usually come from just one person. Committees are designed for compromises, so all they ever generate are compromised products. If you want something have one person make it, or control its making. If you want something average, safe and mediocre, get a big group together.
- flummoxed, on 02/04/2008, -0/+3your only two pieces of evidence are the zune and the ipod?
- nekochan, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1no, that's called an example. lrn2debate.
- basterricker, on 02/04/2008, -0/+0Those are pretty narrow examples for such a broad claim. Take a look at the book "The Wisdom of Crowds." It's a fair argument for the intelligence of the group as opposed to the old stand-by, "the masses are asses."
- cazbot, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1I have read it and i hate it. The main thing I hate about that book is that it totally misrepresents the "wisdom of crowds". Nearly every "wise example" it uses is simply market acceptance of some other single person's great idea. Crowds aren't wise for this, the person providing for the crowds is.
- jaredforshey, on 02/04/2008, -0/+0Can you provide a reference for the claim that Steve Jobs designed the iPod? In the Wired article below numerous specific references are made to the Apple design groups responsible for the device. Not to say Steve wasn't involved in the process, but I doubt he designed the iPod any more than Bill Gates designed Vista.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/commentary/cultof ... - cazbot, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1oh brother they were just throw-away anecdote's for cripes sake. As far as the iPod goes, all the design and UI elements all had final approval with Steve, not a committee vote. That's all i was saying, I didn't mean he was sitting a room designed every friggin circuit for the thing, all by himself. Here are some more off the top of my head: Google (2 people), the lightbulb (1-2 people), smtp (1 person), etc. Now for some famous committee-designed things: Yahoo, Vista, the space shuttles, etc.
The only thing I can think of where design by committee is a good thing is where you want mediocrity like in democratic government (probably the best example of committee design ever).
- flummoxed, on 02/04/2008, -0/+3your only two pieces of evidence are the zune and the ipod?
- chubbybubba, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1This is why it is a male dominated world. Men are more eager to fight, women are more eager to persevere. Unless it's girl on girl fighting... that fight style is deadly.
- simpleid, on 02/04/2008, -2/+1edit: nvm
- IgWannA, on 02/04/2008, -1/+2haha i thought it was a flash game and i was trying to drag the guys around, pressing keys trying to make something happen
of course when i realised it was something you had to read i immediately closed it - LokitheComplex, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1Surely its the honesty and listening that's hard to do?
- BingoPower, on 02/04/2008, -0/+2I was once in a meeting where we were deciding the best way forward for a particular programming project. After showing what I thought was a good way forward to the rest of the team, I asked if anyone had objections or questions on it. Nobody did. So I pulled out a piece of paper and showed the 14 things that I found wrong with it. This is the problem with yes-men.
- wwwdot1jesdotus, on 02/04/2008, -0/+1Sounds like Stephen Baldwin and Piers Morgan on the Apprentice. They're always fighting. And winning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBYQ8JpgXE - ufia, on 02/04/2008, -1/+1Can torture make your coworkers more creative, or will they only come up with the design ideas you want to hear to make the pain stop?
- spectecjr, on 02/04/2008, -1/+1This is so *****. Sure a little tension is a good thing... but this environment is not sustainable. It burns people out.
We're all adults. Can't we all figure out how to build something as inconsequential as a widget in a manner that is respectful of others' ideas and of them as people? Without having to go thermonuclear to do it? - jessehadden, on 02/04/2008, -0/+0No. Absolutely wrong. There are respectful ways to disagree, and to reach new creative heights through the disagreement. I've worked on projects run by asshole managers who believed that charging everyone up with anger, then angling them against one another, would yield "Good Results." ("Good Results" usually means that people work for emotional satisfaction, rather than money, for at least part of the day -- that's why emotional manipulation is part-and-parcel with managerspeak.) I have yet to see such a project be completed, let alone successfully. On the other hand, I've worked on and managed projects that were dictated by love. The disagreements were as respectful as they were productive, and the projects got finished.
- yougene, on 02/04/2008, -0/+0I agree. They call this the socratic method. You take two opposing views and you make a "synthesis." Then again this isn't a social discourse that requires screaming and shouting. It's one that requires respect for others and their perspective.
- WalkaWalka, on 02/05/2008, -0/+1Argument is usually a case of the person unfamiliar with a problem making an ego statement, what they don't realize is its "then" that most other people truly form the opinion about them they feared most. Then its to late.. open thy mouth remove all doubt. Discussion and "considering" another peoples point of view is an art form that can only be appreciated by participating in a discussion rather than grandstanding.
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