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- Koros8, on 10/12/2007, -27/+143I just hope "non-believers" don't misuse this documentary and think ALL Christians are like this. Then again, this IS Digg.....
- datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+73"I just hope "non-believers" don't misuse this documentary and think ALL Christians are like this. "
I completely agree. True Christians, if I may define them, are tolerant and caring of others regardless of their face, race, class, or income. People who try to force others to become Christians apparently haven't read the New Testament. Did Christ run around with a sword demanding people believe in him? Don't think so.
The message should speak for itself. If someone doesn't want to believe, then so be it. That is their prerogative in a free society as it is according to the Christian faith. - slsanity, on 10/12/2007, -4/+45I saw this about a week ago, the movie is strongly directed at fundamental evangelicals. Throughout the movie they cut to a radio show hosted by a Christian who strongly disagrees with what is going on at these summer camps. For lake of a better term the movie stays "fair and balanced." I don't see any reason why anyone rational would apply what is happening here to all forms of Christianity, and that's coming from a die-hard atheist. Also keep in mind this was filmed before the situation with Ted and the New Life Church, which becomes apparent when he makes an appearance towards the end.
P.S. Watch the credits, pretty funny stuff. - Nebulous, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24I want to watch this where can I get it?
I think it sucks that radical Christian groups and crazy Christians give other Christians a bad rap. I'm a fairly normal nerd. I play WOW more than I should...I stood in line for 14 hours for the Wii, I go to church most Sundays. I make mistakes, I sin. I occasionally might "borrow" a game from a torrent site or two, but I don't think I'm going to hell for it or anything. I'm just a guy. Just trying to get along in this world. It just sucks when people generalize "those evangelical christians are crazy" and junk. Oh well...
BTW my parents are both strong atheists. I was brought up being told God wasn't real and he's just a fake crutch, but don't take our word on it...go out and find out for yourself. After high school I did just that. Several different churches, religions and debates here and there later...I dedicated my life to Jesus. Both my parents support me, and love me still. We have a good relationship. They still don't believe in God, but they're happy that I went out asked the questions and came to my own conclusion. I will probably do the same with my kids. Basically, don't take my word on it kids...go out there and ask the questions and come to your own conclusion. - jgtg32a, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24you can generalize that statement even more
People who have kids tell them what to believe. - ChemEng, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Um... there is a HUGE different between praying FOR someone and praying TO someone.
Im not a religious person and I know that. - TriZz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24After reading all of the comment on this page, I'm shocked! This is by far, the best discussion regarding religion (or lack thereof) I've ever read.
People are agreeing to disagree rather than intense debates about it. I'm almost in tears!
Horray for tolerance! - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27Its during the school day, the majority of Digg'rs during the day are at work so they have a computer right in front of them. The High Schoolers are either at school or out and about, as are the college crowd. Tonight when the college and high school kids get online en-masse, the Digg style Christian Bashing will begin.
It really is sad to see those who claim Christians aren't tolerant, bash and hate Christians with a level of intolerance I've never really personally seen before. - BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25They are praying to a lifesize cardboard cutout.
- insinuate, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21I haven't seen the film yet, but I would not categorize all Christians like that. I'm an atheist and hate seeing that people like this are allowed to function and are not looked down upon harshly simply because they deal with religion, but, I wouldn't say ALL Christians are like that. That would be like saying all Muslims are waiting to turn themselves into suicide bombers.
- halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Remember folks, Jesus hung out with Prostitutes and Tax Collectors.
Who did he criticize? When he got mad enough to pick things up and throw things out of buildings, who had ticket him off?
He criticized hypocrites, and those who were turning the Temple into a place of business.
To everyone else he preached love, redemption and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
As Ghandi said, "I like your Christ. It's your Christians I'm not fond of." - mstar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17I wish we'd just teach them how to think - as in think for themselves and make up their own mind...
- mstar, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Its not always healthy to equate religion and politics...
- unknownunknowns, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14LOL
- halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3559052/Jesus_Camp_(2006)
There's also this one:
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3557534/Jesus.Camp.LIMITED.DVD.SCREENER.XViD-PUKKA
But it's password protected. The password is allegedly: Documents - bbatsell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14@marklj:
The woman who runs the camp has said numerous times that she is extraordinarily happy with the way the documentary turned out and how the camp was depicted. Your argument just doesn't hold water.
@PAJK:
Christians follow the teachings of Christ (hence why the religion is named after him). His teachings are found in the New Testament, not the Old. - rationalist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Actually, crashpoint, it is inherent in the atheist viewpoint.
Religion is based on faith in unquestioned dogma. Atheism is based on rejection of unquestioned dogma. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that atheist parents are more likely to promote free thought and critical thinking, while religious parents are more likely to discourage that behavior. Also reasonable is to conclude that the more devout and absolute their faith, the more likely parents are to encourage unquestioned faith and obedience in their children.
This is, in fact, one of the fatal flaws of organized religion. It is based on antidemocratic, antiintellectual principles. It is no surprise that the greatest resistance to new insights into the way our universe works based on critical thinking and open inquiry, have always come from religious authority. - ScottyMo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Personally, I would categorize blowing people up as "weird stuff"
- bordo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I downloaded the password protected torrent and can confirm the working password is Documents
- krispyrob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I have to say I am completely surprised with the discussion in these comments, I guess TriZz was right about the high school/college crowd. I'm a freshman in college and a Christian. I didn't watch the documentary but the comment about the supporting of the killing of doctors performing abortions really bothered me. I can say without a doubt that this is not the feeling of most Christians, and it is far from what the new testament teaches which is grace. We can have a problem with them killing what we believe to be people with souls, but what they are doing is a sin just like everyone else and should be stopped, but they themselves shouldn't die for it. Just my two cents.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Sure they should have the right. That doesn't make it 'right', however.
- Pobotrol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Aethist get morals and values from social interaction, empathy, and inherited tribal values that have helped us survive over millions of years.
- selkie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@mistermachine...
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I think not.
http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Category:Atheist - ChemEng, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Ive been waiting for this documentary since I saw a clip of it on Digg initially. Unfortunately, its not up on Netflix yet so it may be time to torrent...
- emid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7This is America, we can all say what we want. Reading through your comments makes it clear that you are not even remotely interested in any sort of civil dialog. You are supposed to be a Christian, yet the traits you expose are the antithesis of Christ's teachings. You have an extremely narrow perspective on this world and don't make any sort of effort to answer or understand the perfectly reasonable rebuttals to you ludicrous ravings. Your intolerance is the perfect example of what atheists fear most as well as the impetus for speaking out in contradiction of your beliefs.
- 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -18/+25@ republick
Atheists tell their children not to believe everything they are told and to think for themselves. - slsanity, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16@ marklj
Normally I would agree with that statement, however there is no voice-over pushing your viewpoint to the intended direction here, the entire film is purely footage from the summer camp. The only exception being the radio talk show host who they cut in now and then to remind people that this doesn't represent all Christians. This isn't an anti-Christian film, to be honest I would say the opposite.
That said, yes it is a documentary with an intention.
Watch it before you jump to conclusions. - joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"Next week.....atheists tell their kids about nothing.
what a surprise."
I'd rather teach my kids about tangible things in life rather than arbitrary myths. - BobMysterioso, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16http://www.answersingenesis.org FTW!!!
actually.. thats around my home town. Please, don't dig me down. I've never been there, honest. I just wanted to share. - Wolfr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Uhm, isn't this copyrighted content?
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@yoasif
I digg you down for telling this person, in a roundabout way, that his beliefs are in line with those who do not think, and for suggesting a "smart" alternative. It's not right to press your religious beliefs on others. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Thou shalt not worship false idols....
- Meanderson, on 10/12/2007, -14/+20I believe in God and believe Jesus is my savior. I like to tell people.
Have a nice day, - Jagdhund, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Hate, fear and eliteism? That is certainly not what they are meant to be taught by true Christians. I think the reason people like you bash on them so much, is because you don't know who a true Christian is. They are ordinary, good people. The ones who take time to do charity work, or return your wallet when it's lost. You don't notice them, because they are not fanatical, and they do wear gaudy crosses on their necks. They are among your neighbors, teachers, and even friends, though you wouldn't know it, because you are blind.
Take some time to appreciate those around you who are truly good people, instead of going off on every little events involving foolish extremists. - GabrielS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6To: yoasif
Isn't that what people do? They vote their beliefs.
You can attempt to pigeon hole a person as a candidate for re-education camps if they do not march in the progressive parade. However, every vote is still cast on the basis of what a voter believes. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -19/+24Next week.....atheists tell their kids about nothing.
what a surprise. - sirris, on 10/12/2007, -18/+23This movie is terrifying. Especially the scene where the kids are praying for GWB.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Would you defend it as vehemently if they were teaching their kids some satanist religion?
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6They get it from the same place religious people do.
Most religious texts are not written by some divine entity. They were written by humans. Who wrote about the same morals and values that everyone had. Society forms morals and values.
The only difference is that an aethiest tends to adopt morals and values to current society, whereas many fundies are still holdling on to outdate and highly politicized morals and values written thousands of years ago. - Pobotrol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8As an atheist I can tell the difference between peaceful positive Christian ideals, and these dangerous extremists.
I don't suppose most Sunday schools spend their time breaking small children down into tears because of their sinfulness, then commanding that they speak in tongues. I don't recall that education demanded such extreme emotional responses from minors. Children are made to break down emotionally over small plastic models of fetuses, and yet they are told that Harry Potter would have been put to death in the old testament. It stinks more of brainwashing than education.
Their teacher believes that five year olds in Palestine are taught to use hand grenades, and her goal is to make children into Christian soldiers who are prepared to lay down their lives for their faith as an answer to Muslim extremism.
I can only hope that true Christians have the strength to turn against extremist aggressive elements like these, just as Muslims are asked to react against extremism in their communities. Doing so will surely make your faith stronger, and set the best example. - Providence, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I KNOW I AM ABUSING THE COMMENT SYSTEM BUT I FOUND A DIRECT DOWNLOAD, AND IT'S NOT *****!
http://www.mediafire.com/?czrrmwgmidd - Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That doesn't explain why, when they get out and vote, they vote for intolerance. It makes it appear to me that this silent majority shares the intolerant views of the people that I see in the videos.
- TriZz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@pobotrol
That's the most eloquent I've seen an atheist be. Thank you. I, for one, am a Christian and view things very similarly. I live my life of tolerance, and friends who are interested ask me if they can come to church with me to see what's up. Some are return visitors, others are not but they're all my friends.
There was a woman who was interviewed on *I think* Fox News who was super extreme. Her church would stand outside of military funerals holding up signs that said "Your child is dead because of your sins". It was ridiculous to say the least! It's the Christians like that who really make being a Christian difficult to admit.
I understand the debate between Science and Christianity, but for me, it isn't a matter of Science. If Science proved, or disproved by belief - well, there wouldn't be much need for faith. And personally, Faith alone has taught me a great deal about myself as well as humans in general.
Thanks all for a great discussion! - sgoguen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8 As an atheist, I would fully defend a parent's right to teach them their beliefs, even if they're Satanists. The government should never involve itself in these matters.
"Congress shall make no law RESPECTING an establishment of religion or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof" - ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6From good parents.
- spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@Nebulous
Dugg for your family's sensible ideals. Good for you for intelligently determining your faith, and good for your parents for nurturing that. I hope you will be as open-minded with your own children some day. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Considering that scientists have shown speciation in numerous examples, I'd say it /is/ a fact. Evolution occurs. There is really no dispute among serious scientists about that.
The only disagreement seems to come from the creationist crowd, as a way to bring their own pet idea into the debate. - sgoguen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I disagree, and I'm an atheist. If you don't want people coming to your door, put up a no trespassing or no solicitors sign. If you're too lazy to do that, telling them to go away when they knock on your door is as easy as opening your mouth.
I also disagree with your opinion of religion being a private personal thing. If you believe something is true and think it's imperative to share it with people, why shouldn't you? - smoothmedia, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I'll seed. You should too :)
- Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Wow. Just wow.
You two, really. Speechless. -
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