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- mmittimm, on 11/12/2009, -3/+23The title makes it sound like they got owned or something. What was wrong with the one from the article?
- jh371x, on 11/12/2009, -0/+15That was a poorly worded title.
- mwrl, on 11/12/2009, -5/+18Of all the religions out there, the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been the most open to new technology. The church is big into bringing science and religion into one.
- inactive, on 11/12/2009, -0/+12I went to Catholic school, and they taught me that there is no E in scary.
- mwrl, on 11/12/2009, -0/+11Priests are married to the church. That is why they can't get married.
- gustasonfrever, on 11/12/2009, -3/+12You've clearly avoided both
- tcheck, on 11/12/2009, -0/+9Well, that wasn't a misleading (Digg) title.
/s - Larsonal777, on 11/12/2009, -1/+8Oh and what science are you talking about now? I'd really like to hear how you think the church is unscientific. Then maybe i can explain to you your ignorance. Civil rights? explain to me why the church should be forced to do religious practices it doesn't believe in by the government? You do know the church doesn't hate gay people right? I assume your talking about them and not black people. I suppose you think the church should stop valuing life so much as well?
Of course I could just point out that the church has always led the way in education and health care. Especially in areas of the most need. You should probably remember that the next time you need to go to the hospital and its a mercy or a st. so and so. - inactive, on 11/12/2009, -0/+7What a sad, and extremely pathetic attempt to start a flame war with the title. Your life must be completely devoid of excitement that you need to create controversy where none exists.
- Bloodweaver, on 11/12/2009, -7/+14A good PR move for them would be to stop molesting kids.
- Larsonal777, on 11/12/2009, -0/+6For a slightly better explanation. We start off with Heaven... its the perfect union between God and the saints (saints are the people who make it to heaven). Marriage is a foreshadowing of this union. We become one flesh here on earth... though as we all know its not perfect, but speaking from experience it can be pretty good. Priests are supposedly taking it one step further I believe they are in some terms married to Christ and through him his church and that's why a priest is present at all the sacraments. Its supposed to be one step closer to heaven than marriage and why priests that fully understand what they have have any problems with what they've given up. Its like looking back at being single when your married there's no problems unless you don't understand what you have. The single life (that's outside of holy orders or marriage) is another vocation and can still foreshadow this union when people participate/volunteer in their community.
I don't know maybe I confused some people... look up "theology of the body" if you want some really good explanations. - inactive, on 11/12/2009, -0/+5what the ***** do you think church is? IT is not a history or social studies class.
- Larsonal777, on 11/12/2009, -2/+7haha... thats funny... of course the equivalent of what you said is like saying a good PR move for America was to stop having rape.
Of course taking steps to prevent it would be good... in reality the church doesn't have any higher of a sexual predator rate then the rest of the world. It never claimed that its members or specifically its priests weren't sinless. Lets take a look at how many teachers in the public school system have had sex with its kids? How about molesters in programs like the scouts? Lets just take a look at congress and see how many have had affairs? To be honest its kind of flattering that everyone seems to hold the church to a higher standard than everyone else.
Don't get me wrong I'm not defending those who have hurt kids... or saying they shouldn't be dealt with and the church shouldn't be taking drastic steps to prevent it from happening... I'm just against people like you making random ignorant attacks. - geogeer, on 11/12/2009, -0/+4Well following your list:
You have deacon, priest, bishop, and pope. With a bit of intermingling of the positions because of the sacramental duties.
Additionally there is no such thing as post-Vatican II Catholic. You are either Catholic or not. No teaching of Vatican II can be in conflict with earlier teachings. Those who still attend the TLM are no more or less Catholic than those who attend the NO mass. - inactive, on 11/12/2009, -1/+4the vast majority of internet users believe in God. Just so you know.
- BigLou, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2All of my educated, catholic friends despise FoxNews. And no, educated and catholic are not contradictions.
- Larsonal777, on 11/12/2009, -1/+3Bloodweaver... you do understand that the reason adam and eve fell was because they ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE right? And you don't have to take that in a literal sense to get the meaning.
Priests are held to a higher standard and should be... but that doesn't make them sinless (the standard you're asking for which is funny)
How many schools, or scouts or government institutions have done that? You're not serious right? You do remember our beloved president who got in a lot of trouble for that... I really can't go any higher with it.
Do you have a case in recent times of a member being shielded by the church... or a member being shielded by the church as a whole outside of recent times? We're talking about small amounts of individuals inside an institution... not the institution. - Moralogic, on 11/12/2009, -0/+2The internet is unluckily one of the easiest ways to convert people, that is why most cults use it.
- EnderSaveUs, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1Have you read the documents of Vatican II? They retracted many old standing beliefs. Although historical critical scholarship was opened up slightly before VII, the council was the first time the Church as a whole used these newly accepted methodologies to re-articulate doctrine.
Also deacon is probably the closest thing to a disciple there is.
Priests, bishops, and pope (pope = bishop of rome) are arguably the same thing. Bishops start out as priests. They do after a while attain more of a presbyter role but so do pastors of individual parishes.
In early church history there was a clear distinction between the presbyters, sacramental presiders, disciples, and apostles. Disciples included women and the sacramental presiders almost never shared duties as sacramental presiders.
I'm just trying to educate people on the origins of our (Catholics) modern faith. There are social interactions and events that undoubtedly changed the Church. Some for the good and some for the better. Vatican II is largely an attempt to reconcile some of the baseless and harmful changes.
When I say post-Vatican II Catholic, I mean I do not want to be ignorant about my faith. - EnderSaveUs, on 11/12/2009, -5/+6Then how come they don't know how to use condoms?
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I'll be here all night, folks. - grantmoore3d, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1I'm pretty sure the attempts are going to further harm their cause. Imagine if they created a Youtube channel for the pope to do podcasts and allowed comments, LMAO.
- EnderSaveUs, on 11/12/2009, -0/+1btw... the biggest point to this information is that all baptized Christians are called to the roles of discipleship, apostleship, presbyter and even high priest to different extents. That's the thing you probably didn't want to hear, most people don't.
- Larsonal777, on 11/13/2009, -0/+1You think 2003 is recent? You do realize that we've had 2 presidential elections since then right? during which time I actually graduated from high school then went on to complete a 5 year college degree program making that 2 diplomas. We got a new pope! Do you know how often THAT happens? We are on the better part of a decade here and you're saying stuff like it happened yesterday.
as far as the adam and eve story goes... i wasn't asking you to believe in the story... i was using the story to explain that with knowledge comes responsibility. And with greater responsibility comes greater temptation.
"Exactly, they are ordinary people with no better qualifications to be giving advice than any other ordinary person. "
You have to make up your mind... either you don't hold priests to a higher standard or you do. You can't hold them to an impossible standard and then not respect them as you are doing right now... that's just ridiculous.
Oh by the way I suppose since you've been doing all the fact checking that you just forgot that it takes as much schooling to become a Catholic priest as it does to become a doctor. Which includes its fair share of psychology. Oh and then theirs the fact that a priest is licensed and undergoes rigorous background checks.
"Lets see something of a factual nature at least. The president was abusing kids?" I'm supposed to go source digging when you're using strawmen this big against the facts that don't need sources? I know I've got you in a corner when you resort to logic fallacies that outrageous.
but here's just another taste since the fact that the most respected (or supposed to be the most respected) man in America couldn't keep it in his pants wasn't good enough for you. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&page ... - inactive, on 11/12/2009, -0/+0They even have Holy Water dispensers to combat the spread of swine flu!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2009/11/11/2 ... - EnderSaveUs, on 11/12/2009, -2/+2Only the modern day Catholic priest is a bastardization of many distinct new testament ministries. These ministries were discipleship, apostleship, presbyter, and high priest/sacramental presider. In the early church, these were different ministries... today they are one.
These ministries are as follows:
- Disciple - a follower of Jesus, often called (not mandated) to celibacy
- Apostle - a student of Jesus who puts Jesus' teaching into action, spreading the Gospel/good word through preaching, action, service, etc.
- Presbyter - elders... often residential and institutional figures who led a particular community
- Hierus/High Priest - a carry over of the Hebrew tradition of bloody sacrifices to God, with Jesus this sacrifice was turned into a celebration of the Eucharist... so in a Christian context, a sacramental presider
The theology regarding why priests are "married" to Christ is likely due to the fact that somewhere along the lines the ministries were merged into one clerical position. If you look at the NT, only Jesus is referred to as a high priest or hierus. Yet, somewhere along the lines (most likely when the Nazarenes turned from a predominantly Jewish community to a predominantly Gentile community) the 4 duties are merged into one. Still, there needs to be a reasoning behind why this one "modern priest" performs all duties especially the sacrifices/sacraments--and the reasoning was that a modern Catholic priest shares in the priesthood of Christ and there is only one true high priest.
The whole celibacy thing is mostly from the ministry of discipleship which was extremely difficult as disciples were called to give up everything including their spouses and families to follow Jesus. In the early church, celibacy was not a requirement and even in some Catholic/orthodox churches (not Roman) priests are married.
So in short, although your explanation is interesting it is more of an apologetic-style theology.
(I'm a Catholic... just a post-Vatican II Catholic) - FLarsen, on 11/12/2009, -1/+1Spreading God's word 21st. century style?
"Congratulations! As visitor nr. 12345666789, you've won a FREE membership in catholicism!" - Larsonal777, on 11/12/2009, -2/+2@whoever will listen: I'm just looking for attention -Rizzos
I'm not really into name calling. - Bloodweaver, on 11/13/2009, -2/+1"Bloodweaver... you do understand that the reason adam and eve fell was because they ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE right? And you don't have to take that in a literal sense to get the meaning."
Stick with the facts, not some justification by a magical garden. There is a fable/story that can be used to justify any immoral act in any of the worlds thousands of religions from past or present.
"Priests are held to a higher standard and should be... but that doesn't make them sinless (the standard you're asking for which is funny)"
Exactly, they are ordinary people with no better qualifications to be giving advice than any other ordinary person. It is funny in the sense that they are given some form of clearly unjustified respect.
"How many schools, or scouts or government institutions have done that? You're not serious right? You do remember our beloved president who got in a lot of trouble for that... I really can't go any higher with it."
How many exactly? Lets see something of a factual nature at least. The president was abusing kids? Where do you come up with this stuff? It was completely consentual and between 2 adults. Again, stop comparing completely different circumstances that have no real comparison.
"Do you have a case in recent times of a member being shielded by the church... or a member being shielded by the church as a whole outside of recent times? We're talking about small amounts of individuals inside an institution... not the institution."
"According to the John Jay report, one-third of the accusations were made in the years 2002-3. Another third of the allegations were reported between 1993 and 2001."
That is a lot of recent accusations. There are plenty of recent cases of individuals just read the report. The attempt to separate the institution from the individuals committing the crimes doesn't mean that the institution has no responsibility to protect those who go there. Lots of corporations would love to use that defense also, but they are instead held responsible unlike the church. - Bloodweaver, on 11/12/2009, -3/+2Actually it's not funny. I was under the impression that priests were held is a position of high esteem and responsibility within the catholic church above the average member of a church. I think you have a misinterpreted view of flattery in this case. It shows that indeed being a priest isn't really anything more special than any other person of the public. There is no better understanding of morals or what is right and what is wrong. There is no special guidance or anything above what the average citizen on the street has for morals. The difference being in the church the institution will go to great lengths to hide the fact that it is happening so that they don't have to pay any money. How many schools, or scouts or government institutions have done that? By comparing the church to other institutions who have opposed and exposed members of their own who would abuse children you are defending the church. Something much worse is happening in the church and to compare schools, the scouts or other institutions is an attempt to bring them down to the churches level of actively shielding predatory abusers of children.
The attack isn't random or ignorant. It is straight out the truth. The article is about PR and how the church is presents itself in the 21st century. The church is now stuck with this image and is the topic of many jokes. Read the article before posting if you want to see relevance. - TomGfromCanada, on 11/12/2009, -5/+3but the internet is the work of the devil.
- Moralogic, on 11/12/2009, -4/+2Quit trying to promote your group as the majority without proof.
- Moralogic, on 11/12/2009, -5/+3No, they are big in trying to grow their numbers as much as possible, and know that technology is one of the only ways they can do that. They also know they have to accept scientific findings if they want to continue to exist, even if they do completely go against what they believe in a lot of ways, and it disproves a lot of what they say.
- blackmcgrath, on 11/12/2009, -3/+0Fail title is fail
- RizzosBack, on 11/12/2009, -10/+6@homosexuals: You guys really need to stop trying to get married -Benny XVI
What a *****. - Koushiro, on 11/12/2009, -6/+2Why in the world would they want to do something like that? Keep them away from us with their cosmic jew zombie! >.<
- manwithoutmodem, on 11/12/2009, -8/+2Oh God....no.
- o76923, on 11/12/2009, -12/+2How about updating your message to include civil rights or science from the last few decades to millennia (depending on the topic)? That might appeal more to today's youth.
- WhoBob, on 11/12/2009, -17/+4Catholic Church.........School in the same sentence............Scarey
- PaintFreak98, on 11/12/2009, -16/+1Well, fox news is going to be that more popular...
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