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- MindStalker, on 03/07/2008, -20/+205"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.
I puked a little bit. - brjohnson789, on 03/07/2008, -48/+212You know who else made homeschooling illegal? Nazi Germany and Communist China.
- tman84, on 03/07/2008, -90/+210This is truly appalling news, this is what progress is? Creating little robots in the public schools where you must learn from government approved curriculum whether you like it or not. Because the State knows what's best for you and your children. Socialism at it's finest folks. It's making a come back in the country, and those of us who do not take our liberty and individual freedoms for granted must fight back.
Everyone who is in RP meetup groups, stay together, remain a group, become a Liberty meetup group and fight back against Socialism in this country. - InfodivaMLIS, on 03/07/2008, -35/+131OMG Parents Home School their children because California Schools are inadequate and unsafe. School Shootings, Drive bys, Rapes, Riots. No La Raza Studies no AAPI studies. Sports programs cut. Molesters both male and female sexing up our children. Fashion Show. Britney Spears, My Sweet Sixteen Brown V Board of Education Segregation School bombs GHB Date Rape Drugs Racism Hazing Jumped after school Unsafe MUNI public transportation. BAD BEEF Unsafe food. I would be pissed off too. Infodiva out. TGIF
- mnocket, on 03/07/2008, -37/+129Another victory for the progressive agenda! What makes parents think they can educate their children? All correct thinking people know that only the State can fulfill this role. You simply must learn that the government knows what's best for you and will take care of you. Just as you have a right and entitlement to be taken care of by the State, so do your children. I mean you can't even be trusted to make correct decisions about simple things like trans-fats. Thank goodness the government is there to act in your best interest! Get used to it. We have BIG plans. Big big plans for the future and you will learn to love it. Let's take health insurance for example. What makes you think you should have a choice in the matter. It doesn't matter that you're young, in perfect health, unmarried and barely making ends meet. Choice should simply not be an option. We know what's best for everyone - and that includes you! So we're going to require that you buy health insurance. You may not agree that in your situation it's the best use of your money, but trust us it is. And don't try to tell us you can't afford it. We know you can, and you will have to pay a fine or have your paycheck garnished if you don't pay up. In the end, we know that this is best for you. Like I said - we have big, big plans for the future. Trust us, your going to love it. We'll take care of everything.
- TomK88, on 03/07/2008, -48/+98I love how "socialism" is blamed for this. Socialism is pooling resources when necessary (i.e. military, police, roads, etc.). Quit trying to act like socialism is complete thought control and communism.
- Krabid, on 03/07/2008, -4/+52"The ruling was applauded by a director for the state's largest teachers union."
Oh the irony! - declawedpaw, on 03/07/2008, -9/+51Public schools are run by unions. But hey, if the school fails, the prisons are also run by unions. A win-win!
- swizzcheez, on 03/07/2008, -2/+42Parents have the right and privilege of _guiding_ their children into adulthood. That means having the latitude to upbringings that you might not approve of, including religion. Many parents go too far in guidance in this arena, in my humble agnostic opinion. Except in the more grotesque circumstances, I personally would NEVER presume to deny a parent the right to choose the vehicle in which they guide their child into adulthood.
- evilunleashed, on 03/07/2008, -10/+49Unreal. I wonder if that judge went to law school in the Soviet Union.
- inactive, on 03/07/2008, -3/+34I homeschool them because I met the teachers of the school they were supposed to go to. I can't let retards educate my kids. It's costing me a fortune (I now work half time), but it's worth it.
- SirBloody, on 03/07/2008, -8/+39maybe if the schools did a better job, parents wouldn't feel like they need to keep their children away from them
- kratsnitram, on 03/07/2008, -1/+29Beyond the issues of homeschooling (and I am a homeschooler, so that is obviously important to me), I ask what will happen to the numerous private schools who use non-certified teachers? I don't know about California, but the prep school I attended in Alabama had a high percentage of non-certified teachers, but who possessed PhDs or were working on their dissertations. One of the benefits of private academies is that you CAN hire doctoral candidates to teach high school courses, people who would never waste their time getting a teacher's certification. These folks would not be allowed to teach in California under this law.
- sonaboy, on 03/07/2008, -9/+35It's the parent's right to educate their children even worse than public schools ever could. Unfortunately, this would also deny indignant parents the luxury of blaming a benign state institution for how stupid their kids turned out.
So it's a toss up, actually.
FREEDUMB OF CHOICE!! - calcm, on 03/07/2008, -14/+39The reason I choose to home school my child is because where I live the schools are infected with gangs and crime. I will not allow my daughter to be raped. My choice for home schooling is not a religious one. So, get over yourself.
- DRINKxREDxBULL, on 03/07/2008, -2/+26I guess it is SO much better for them be indoctrinated by the government, right?
- sgtpppr, on 03/07/2008, -8/+32China also has the worlds largest number of Chinese.
- tman84, on 03/07/2008, -27/+50The war on our freedom is being fought on 2 fronts. You have Bush and the neocons giving corporate favors in Washington, using the elected government to protect the interest of corporate policy and corporate heads. Allowing for wiretapping, removal of freedom all in the name of protecting your security.
The other side of the battle is being fought against the Democrats, socialized healthcare, socialized schooling, the nanny state taking care of everything for you, removing your choice and freedom from the matter.
These 2 parties are in league together. It's meant to pull you to one side of the argument or the other. Don't fall for either promise, the goal is ultimate removal of all freedoms, government control over all aspects of your life and corporate security over all of your activities. This is all about the further consolidation of wealth and power in the nation.
The 3 major candidates and 2 major parties offer you no help, have their own agenda that does not include your freedom, your liberty, or the upholding and defending of the Constitution of the United States. - OverkillTASF, on 03/07/2008, -8/+31We didn't start the fire...
Wow man, what a rant. - exgop, on 03/07/2008, -25/+47sadly todays teachers teach the children to hate America ,hate individualism . Government school teachers are a legal form of child abuse
- FTLJohnson, on 03/07/2008, -9/+30Socialism isn't THOUGHT control in any way.
It's PHYSICAL control. It's a threat of violence if one does not 'pool resources'.
When college kids get together to buy a pizza... Does one of them (the one studying criminology so that he can becomes a cop) pull out a gun and tell the others that (because they are all hungry) the pizza is necessary and that they all MUST pay an equal share?
No, I think in most situations a voluntary pooling of resources gets things done for those that need it. To suggest otherwise is the fascist, power hungry and stupid method that goes against what FREE people do. It is the road to the failure of a society, and war, as has been shown by history over and over again. Collectivism doesn't help people as its supporters would intend it to... It kills with the unintended consequences that occur when people flow right around the rules and boundaries set for them - until they are caught, and punished by the rules that shouldn't exist in the first place. - manstein01, on 03/07/2008, -4/+23Public schools? Best chance? Then why do all politicians send their kids to private schools?
- GreyICE, on 03/07/2008, -0/+19http://epaa.asu.edu/epaa/v7n8/
Major findings include: the achievement test scores of this group of home school students are exceptionally high--the median scores were typically in the 70th to 80th percentile; 25% of home school students are enrolled one or more grades above their age-level public and private school peers; this group of home school parents has more formal education than parents in the general population; the median income for home school families is significantly higher than that of all families with children in the United States; and almost all home school students are in married couple families. Because this was not a controlled experiment, the study does not demonstrate that home schooling is superior to public or private schools and the results must be interpreted with caution. The report clearly suggests, however, that home school students do quite well in that educational environment. - MindStalker, on 03/07/2008, -1/+20Why is everyone digging down calcm? There are a lot of school districts where the schools literally are a crime zone. When I last moved I knew the local schools were bad (small county plenty of rich folks, but they all send their kids to private schools, the schools are 99 percent title I, I'm not kidding you) but thought I could afford private school. Economy downturned and I couldn't sell the place so after a few months of having my kid in one of these schools she started getting beaten up (elementary school so no real danger or rape etc) I cheated and used my parents address to send her to a better school. I'd homeschool if I could but I know I'd make a horrible teacher.
- donte, on 03/07/2008, -7/+26I've got my fair share of beef with those who bastardize their religious beliefs, but who is the government to tell you what you are and are not allowed to learn? Yes, provide public schools that have a curriculum to your liking, there's no reason it should be forcing any family to decide how their child is educated.
- LJinNY, on 03/07/2008, -25/+44They have got to be kidding. I guess the idiots in California didn't watch Stupid in America (YouTube with John Stossel) they actually believe that the so called certified teachers can better educate children then their parents can; lol. All they teach is what is on the state tests so they, the teachers can look good. They don’t even learn anything. No child left behind, what a bunch of crap. My kids have been home schooled, in public school and in private school. Children will always learn better and more in a home school.
- 5urr3al5am, on 03/07/2008, -2/+20That's such a red flag - the fact that you're ready to hand over your rights and just have the government "do what's best" for your kid.. wow
- deepcoiler, on 03/07/2008, -5/+23As a highschooler that is homeschooled (not for any religious reasons, there was an abysmal staff at my elementary school and I never went back) I find this pretty disturbing. But hey, move to Florida :D
- inactive, on 03/07/2008, -3/+21Agreed that Jesus Camp was indoctrination and probably verging on child abuse. That does not give you the right to deprive the parents the right to educate their children how they see fit. Homeschooling is increasingly secular. If I had children of school age and couldn't afford private school I'd strongly consider keeping them out of the public system till high school. Scary religious people are just an excuse and a bad one at that. The California school system is afraid of the competition and acting on the fear that even the scary religious types are going to score better on standardized tests than kids coming out of the public system.
- GreyICE, on 03/07/2008, -2/+19Out of curiousity, got any statistics to back up your comment that homeschooled students are brainwashed instead of educated? Because I assure you, every study you find is going to show that they test better and are more educated than the average child.
- lyonsden, on 03/07/2008, -2/+18You mean the social education of being separated into groups by age (not ability) and forced to endure the same education as the slowest person in the class? Being taught by others your age to ridicule those younger than you. Getting picked on (abused?) by those older than you.
That's the social education that I remember from my time in traditional education. - easy4lif, on 03/07/2008, -17/+33I've met some of the home schooled children in my area, some are as hardcore christian as they get.
- ejhdigdug, on 03/07/2008, -15/+31moving one step closer to a Fascist state.
- Davage, on 03/07/2008, -11/+27This really ticks me off.
I was homeschooled all the way through 8th grade, I've turned out fine so far.
I'm my parent's kid, not the governments.
But hey, I think the world's going to hell, why should another little step bother me? - InspectorGadget, on 03/07/2008, -2/+17So rape is inevitable? Her objection was not to the wider culture, it was to specific criminal acts.
- InspectorGadget, on 03/07/2008, -7/+22Nice strawman argument, TomK88. People that oppose socialism aren't necessarily opposed to any goverment action, they're opposed to invasive government action. Of course, for people that shill for socialism, acting like it is a sliding scale and we're already there only helps them because it makes it seem as though the socialist "paradise" isn't far away.
- belowir, on 03/07/2008, -8/+23Why is it that people who can't form their own arguments (i.e. opinions supported with facts) resort to using Nazism and Communism as their "argument' for declaring an issue is wrong?
- JasonHears, on 03/07/2008, -8/+23I just heard about this for the first time today on NPR. I can't believe this! This is the worst idea I've ever heard. Our schools in California suck! I would never allow my kids (not that I have any) go to public school here. And to force parents to do so, or find the time to get a teaching certificate is ridiculous. As long as the kids pass whatever exams they need to pass, what does it matter? If the kids don't pass the state exams, then fine, require those kids to attend public school. Total BS!!
- inactive, on 03/07/2008, -3/+17The fact that some people use homeschooling to waste their kids brains on fairy tales should have no impact on my right to educate my kids. Why should I, an atheist with a Phd, be deprived of my human rights because some idiot degenerates want to pretend that it's 1878 again?
Have you talked to a public school teacher recently? My local school wouldn't even grade my kids' work. That's a retard factory, not an education facility. - xfTwitch, on 03/07/2008, -1/+15I socialize my home-schooled kids. Every week, I throw them up against the wall and steal their lunch money. That way, they get a taste for what it's like to go to a public school.
- pinchduck, on 03/07/2008, -8/+22So AndreiOttawa would replace the judgement of his parents with that of his own and use the machinery of the State to enforce it? Real nice. Did it occur to you that people who homeschool are not forcing their views on to other people or the kids of other folks? Do you often feel the need to "correct" society by forcing your view on others? What would the penalties be for home schooling your kids? 10 years in prison and a 100,000 fine? How about you raise your kids however you see fit and let others do likewise.
- aleololli, on 03/07/2008, -1/+15Please define bogus crap. I might think socialized healthcare is bogus crap. I have a feeling you don't. So who defines what's bogus? This story says the state does. I disagree. If you haven't noticed American schools aren't exactly raising the bar on higher education. Why should I feel comfortable leaving my kids for 8 hours a day with someone who can't possibly have the same level of interest in my child. Perhaps homeschooling holds the state accountable for it's less than stellar testing record.
- lex0nyc, on 03/07/2008, -2/+16Second only to California.
- inactive, on 03/07/2008, -7/+21Not to mention all of those nutjobs who homeschool their kids because they want them to learn math.
- CaptainJapan, on 03/07/2008, -19/+33You know who else wiped their asses? The Nazis
Therefore those who wipe their ass are evil!!!
Just because ***** people do, or did something doesn't necessarily make it evil. - GreyICE, on 03/07/2008, -1/+14Plenty of dumb-as-***** atheists around too. Look at digg.
- dreicher, on 03/07/2008, -1/+14Got any statistics to back up your absolutely ***** claims, Jack? Or do we just submit to your will and authority because you told us we should?
- kemp34, on 03/07/2008, -22/+35TYRANNY
- tman84, on 03/07/2008, -20/+33Socialism is the precursor to Totalitarianism. Do you think once all the power is consolidated and given to the state to run everything that it will magically be wonderful?
Why not allow people to have a choice, that's what this is about, we just want to be able to CHOOSE what's best, not have it spoon fed to us. The idea of liberty is the freedom to choose what's best for you and your family. This law is one step closer to destroying that freedom
Does it matter if it's "religious nutjobs" no, they are free to practice their religion, and their children are their property until they turn 18, it's their responsibility to raise that child to be a productive member of society how they see fit, not how you see fit or how the state of California sees fit. - FTLJohnson, on 03/07/2008, -6/+19because THAT would work... or happen ... ever...
Ugh, stupid Canadian is stupid.
While I LOVE the sentiment of allowing everyone to be freethinkers and to grow up without the mental tyranny of religions that use fear of punishment in the afterlife and bogus promises of rewards in the same to manipulate children into becoming believers...
What's the point, if those kids just grow up to waste that gift by being mentally lazy like you?
How's about you give people FREEDOM...
and then those of us with an actual BRAIN in our heads won't have to worry about DYING in the civil war idiots like you will inevitably cause... -
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