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- jggube, on 04/13/2008, -3/+21This is a question for the UK Digg users: how does the general public feel about all the CCTV's (and now this)? It's almost like Orwell's 1984 realizing itself (no offense).
- RetepNamenots, on 04/13/2008, -0/+14Buried for Daily Mail.
- jdepp, on 04/13/2008, -1/+10Surveillence in exam rooms: Why is that suggestion being made? Are the teachers who run exam halls lobbying government for extra surveillence equipment because they feel unable to prevent fraud otherwise?
A fingerprint or a photograph of the person taking the exam could make sense in some parallel universe where exams are taken under conditions of complete anonymity and the student and the invigilator have never met in their lives before.
...but real school exams aren't taken under conditions of anonymity. The teacher who's invigilating the exam could just as easily walk round the tables and check he or she recognises each student during the test. Doing that would spot any interloper, certainly at a much lower cost than a fingerprinting machine or CCTV in an exam hall.
My explanation for this is that:
a) People who build fingerprinting machines lobby for them to be taken up and suggest tangential applications.
b) Someone in government whose interests are in surveillance wants teachers to train kids to be docile and compliant towards being fingerprinted and reconnoitered by the state.
c) Someone in government who holds the opinion that all children are potential criminals wants this system for the neat side-effect of having fingerprints on file for all children in the UK, so when they grow into criminals they can processed more effectively. - PaulOwen, on 04/13/2008, -0/+9I once read a science fiction short story about a city of CCTV cameras, but where the cameras are monitored not by watchers in an ivory tower but by the public. If anyone knows the short story, I'd appreciate the name.
This is probably the best of both worlds, public safety and public accountability. CCTV can go too far though, for example if anyone uses the argument "you have nothing to fear as long as you're not doing anything wrong" then I sometimes think they should have a public-access CCTV camera installed in their house - that would soon have them howling about privacy rights!! - thephysicist, on 04/13/2008, -2/+9lol we dont have any say in it. 1% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds CCTV. with the avg Brit captured 300 times a day!!
Tbh I dont care if my movements are tracked, It has shown to bring crime down and more convictions as a result.
I personally think its a good thing, but yes I can see how it infringes our Privacy.
I know people even at University who even write on their leg, go toilet and remember. bad habits picked up from school.
I say, to the cheats: "you are really only cheating yourself" - Tyorant, on 04/13/2008, -4/+11To be honest, I feel that this CCTV nation that many of the US Diggers believe we have here is completely exaggurated.
Yeah, it's annoying and the Big-Brother feel is growing, but currently I can't tell you one experience i've had where I feel unnerved because of CCTV. That said, we need to draw a line very soon.
I'm sitting exams at college in a month and the thought of being watched throughout does unnerve me. There's enough pressure as it is, and I see so many people going into exams terrified. Cameras will REALLY not help.
The current system has worked for so many years and sure there are a few people who probably cheat but sacrificing a comfortable and relaxed atmosphere that you NEED in an exam room is just a stupid decision to catch the odd cheater. - furi0us1, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5This is completely unnecessary. In large classes at my university you simply showed your ID when you turned in your exam. In smaller classes the professors usually knew the students faces at that point and could spot someone that didn't belong. It's not a far stretch to think this is simply conditioning to get people familiar and comfortable with yet more invasions of privacy.
- JoeSpaceTime, on 04/13/2008, -0/+5CCTV : general public aren't bothered really.
Fingerprinting : more people think this is a problem. Personal information is never totally secure, which is alright to an extent if it's just your address or phone number at risk, but your physical information; this holds too much power to not be exploited in the future at some point. Also, the way in which this is happeneing - using fingerprint scanners in schools for library book loans, exam identity verification - by being spun as fun, James Bond gadgets seems a bit sneaky. - anti-net, on 04/13/2008, -0/+4I have mixed opinions, one side CCTV has been very helpful to the police to catch people who committed crimes such as murder, rape etc. on the other I get caught on Camera 300 times a day and I've done nothing wrong.
It some areas the cameras are not needed, they should be taken down, but in places were violent crime often happens it can be the only thing that catches a criminal - webcrumb, on 04/13/2008, -2/+5"Besides if you have nothing to hide, why fear it?"
No, no, no. A thousand times no.
CCTV is simply designed to modify behaviour, i.e. you will behave differently if you think you are always being watched. It doesn't matter whether you are or not.
I really want to ask a politician the same question: if they have nothing to hide, let them empty their pockets on the table and let me have a look in their wallet. See how much money they carry, how many cards they have etc. etc. I can guarantee not one of them would agree to it because they would want a degree of privacy. See? - inactive, on 04/13/2008, -1/+4I'm a big fan of US Crime shows like CSI, Law and Order, etc and I always think to myself "If America had as many CCTV cameras as we do (In a Sq Mile for example), wouldn't it make their jobs sooo much easier?"
- trickyt, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3They are already doing this in the US for the MCAT test.
- robthom, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3There sure is a lot of stuff off that site, I've been noticing that.
Wierd. - stonebone4, on 04/13/2008, -0/+3But if they do this, how can I ever REEEEEEECH THESE KEEEEEEEEEEDS?!
- JoeSpaceTime, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2d) Someone in government lists one of their favorite films as Minority Report.
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2What's the point. Who cares if some people cheat.
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -1/+3I remember cheating in one of my exams by writing some notes on my rubber (eraser) and using the provided card jacket to cover it up :)
- ch28kid, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2I blame South Park because season 12 episode 05 expose all my cheating methods. Now they know all about the printing in coke bottle method.
Thanks a lot Eric Cartman. - lekahe, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2I can only see more work for me. Some clever bureaucrat decides that all the tapes must be checked and who else would do that except the teachers...
Besides cheating in maths is hard anyway. I could as well allow them to take all their books with them. - mousky, on 04/13/2008, -0/+2They already are comfortable with CCTV in the UK.
- jayselle, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1I wish they would of done this while I was in college. It seemed that all of the middle easterners and folks from India got through my college by cheating the whole way. Highly irritating and frustrating. I also think some professors overlooked it as most engineering professors were from the same part of the world.
- Sternology, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1buried for daily hate mail
- iticu, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2I normally feel the same way as you, but seeing as though they're only moderating exams in this example.. it kinda works.
- habenneas, on 04/16/2008, -0/+1Text-only mirror: http://www.lynxcache.org/usr/1/CCTV_and_fingerprin ...
- robthom, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1"...to catch exam cheats"
Its hard to say which populations sense of judgement I respect less, americans or the british. probley the british, but they've had more time to end up in their condition. We're just getting started (so hold onto your hats).
Keep it up british people but please stop comparing or associating yourselves to us. We're doing bad enough by ourselves. - fuckinlogin, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2Daily Hate: automatic bury
- Verytastycheese, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1You don't need privacy in an exam... I agree with the physicist, CCTV cameras from above aren't forcing me to empty my pockets, and suspicious teachers breathing over my shoulder bother me much more than a silent camera would. Unless, of course, I was cheating... but that's kind of the point, right?
Yes, its designed to modify your behavior, to stop you from cheating, breaking laws etc... But whats it going to change if you're a legit, hard working, honest citizen? Keeping muggers off the street and unqualified idiots/cheaters out of professional positions sounds like a fair trade for 'privacy' in a public place, where you're being watched anyways. - Verytastycheese, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1On the other hand, at least they're not tapping everyone's phone and internet lines. I'd rather only be monitored when I'm in public.
- CaptainDDL, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2I would refuse to go to any college that has those systems in place. You're paying to go to college...if you're willing to circumvent the learning process for a piece of paper (i.e. a diploma)...go ahead. I don't see why it's such a big issue...these systems are more likely to piss off the non-cheaters than deter cheating.
- jggube, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1Wow, thanks for the thoughtful inputs! I've visited the UK several times over the summer because my parents live there. To be honest, I don't mind the CCTV's at all -- especially in those underground underpasses (to cross busy streets). For me, though it's not a 100% guarantee you're safe, I do see the merits of surveillance as a deterrent to crime. I just found it somewhat similar (albeit to a lesser extent) to the book 1984, written by a Orwell (a British writer) decades ago.
- MrSir, on 04/13/2008, -1/+2thats the UK for you. they gave up their freedom a long time ago. I will do what I can to stop it from happening in the USA.
- FMWatkins, on 04/13/2008, -0/+1I personally resent the bloody things. Always have. It's the principle of 'the people must be watched' and the breaking of the right to privacy and to move freely. Without being surveilled that is. Of course, almost all of them are illegal but that doesn't stop police states from doing it anyway.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/01/most_cctv_ ...
People seem to think it protects them but I struggle to see how. When was the last time the police stopped something happening to you because they saw it on CCTV? They have convicted a very small number of bastards with it, but I personally don't believe that is worth the huge costs and invasions of privacy.
It's also another symptom of a nanny state. Next they will want to put microphones and speakers in them to tell you what to do! Oh crap, beat you to it :-)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6524495.stm Oh the plus side, I believe they are being scrapped.
I don't agree with the deterrent to crime, but again, I can look after myself. Anyways, that's my 2 pence.
http://endofmen.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/cctv-part ... - jhofman, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2I don't see anything wrong with this. You have a room of 200 kids taking a test - teachers can't be hovering over everyone's should at once. The tests are turned in, someone does unusually well well. Check the tapes! Busted. Cheating is bad.
- bancream, on 10/29/2008, -0/+0If you're willing to circumvent the learning process for a piece of paper (i.e. a diploma)...go ahead.
http://www.innovek.co.th/
http://www.sunnav.com - inactive, on 04/13/2008, -2/+2I hope any school that implements this will loose their students and eventually the capital to run the school... sickening.
- Verytastycheese, on 04/13/2008, -1/+1*****. How would you like to be treated by a doctor (lawyer, cop etc) who doesn't know half the material because they cheated their way through school? Certifications are to certify that the person knows their stuff and has passed a test based on it... Its not just for YOU to get that diploma and high salary, its for the good of anyone who works for/with you. Cheating the test defeats the whole purpose, and for that, you should be caught and denied that diploma.
- saxiruf, on 07/10/2008, -0/+0http://abadisekurindo.com/cctv.html
- thephysicist, on 04/13/2008, -3/+2Good points, however i think, it would be easier for a camera to observe, as opposed to a teacher/exam vidulator walking up and down staring over your work! ( i have stoped during an exam, due to a teacher looking over my shoulder for a couple of minutes) Besides if you have nothing to hide, why fear it? exams naturally induce pressure, i personally dont think a camera sitting high above would make any difference to me. I think this will actualy reduce the number of cheats, i know its small, (here at my uni 12 counts of misconduct out of 14k students) but if they cheat they are cheating the system. This will hopefully catch more and make examples that academic cheating will not be tolerated.
- inactive, on 04/13/2008, -7/+1OM NOM NOM NOM
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