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- rayskin, on 05/21/2009, -5/+172It's rough out there but grads can't be picky either. I know a lot of people who say if they can't get the job they want they will just sit at home until they do. This is crap, take what you can get and work towards something you want.
- AllINeed, on 05/21/2009, -8/+142Work experience beats out undergraduate degrees in most fields... (and yes also a sign of the economy)
- Jeepinator, on 05/22/2009, -8/+139An Engineering degree is far from worthless. A medical degree is also far from worthless. The degrees that are worthless are degrees like Art History. If you are an Art History major, why the ***** did you go to college?
- Wargala, on 05/22/2009, -22/+104Gee! I wonder why I can't get a job with a degree in Liberal Arts! Come on guys, you know damned good and well that a lot of you college students out there are trying for the "easy" degrees, so you can say you have one. Remember, college is supposed to prepare you for the workforce, not to be able to "find yourself" or any other such nonsense.
- MtheoryX, on 05/22/2009, -5/+84Having both is even better.
- FeartheKnighted, on 05/22/2009, -5/+78I just graduated in May and I'm typing this from work. But then again I actually received a useful degree (engineering). I can't imagine graduating with a music or liberal arts degree and trying to find a job.
- lbeaty1981, on 05/22/2009, -1/+57Rule #1 for college grads: Your first job will most likely suck. Stick with it for a few years, get some experience, then go somewhere better.
- Niedin, on 05/22/2009, -1/+53FTA: "If I were a 22-year-old today I would be willing to take an unpaid internship," said Lanna Hagge, director of Career Services at Trinity College. "I would be willing to do almost anything just to get the experience and exposure."
It is difficult to convince federal and/or private student loan sharks that payment in experience and exposure is just as good as cash. - bpoteat, on 05/22/2009, -3/+53"Remember, college is supposed to prepare you for the workforce, ..."
No, that is not what college is for - unless you count trade schools and technical schools as college, which most people do not. Traditionally college has been a form of higher eduction - something beyond the average life preparation. And one of the problems here is that your perception has become many others' - that you need college to be prepared for the workplace. So every high school has the goal of getting all their students into college, regardless of whether they really should go or not. And it has dumbed down our colleges to just be job training facilities.
For some fields, yes, you need a college degree, but college was not ever meant to be simply a gateway to a job. Hell, an HVAC specialist who went no further than a vocational school in high-school has a better chance at getting a good, well-paying job then most college graduates these days. - pathouston22, on 05/22/2009, -0/+50That $80k sounds like a bad personal choice.
- doshindude, on 05/22/2009, -20/+68fact: the graduates that can't get a job got useless degrees (e.g. classics, liberal arts, etc). If you want to be taken seriously, take up science or technology. Otherwise, you're not going to get a job.
Also, don't waste your time in college trying to "discover yourself." You're just wasting valuable study opportunities. - divinediva, on 05/21/2009, -4/+51It's tough
- Leonffs, on 11/20/2009, -0/+45And I'm still applying. It seems every day I apply for 2 more and don't even hear a word back.
- blah247, on 05/22/2009, -3/+47Guess the Bachelors in Psychology or Philosophy wasn't a great idea.
- kaiserh, on 05/22/2009, -0/+39In Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers, he showed how graduating at a bad economic time could affect the rest of your career. Unstable employment will make it harder for today's graduates to get the experience early in their career to become successful later.
- pathouston22, on 05/22/2009, -6/+43So.....100% of 2009 graduates have barely been graduates for more than a week or two or three.
- mohsenxp, on 05/22/2009, -1/+37Worst possible thing for any employer.
Interviewer: I see you graduated last July, what have you been up to since then?
PersonA: Well I've found it hard to get a job, I thought I'd wait it out to see what comes along.
PersonB: Well I saw the tough economy as an opportunity to work on my resume. I have been volunteering at two different charities whilst keeping up to date with the business market. I have made active efforts to make contacts...
Guess who'll get hired.
It's a deadly trap to just wait for a job. An empty gap in your life is a WARNING:AVOID sign to any employer. - jwolcott, on 05/22/2009, -2/+37It's time for Grad school then...
- mjk340, on 05/22/2009, -0/+32A 22 year old girl can probably get some cash in exchange for exposing herself.
- inactive, on 05/22/2009, -3/+34Here comes the flood of people crying that college is unnecessary. If you're in engineering or science, it IS necessary.
- strangewill, on 05/22/2009, -2/+32Then how come like 99% of job applications REQUIRE you to have a BS before they'll even consider you?
- MaxxusFlamus, on 05/22/2009, -6/+36no but I bet your mother regrets not demanding a condom that night.
- zeth006, on 05/22/2009, -2/+32That's the one part that always baffled me. We had music majors paying $20,000 from their parents' money just to attend my school...which was NOT strong in music at all. The music department's facilities and equipment were laughably deficient. Pianos looked like they'd all been donated or scrapped from grandma's garage sale.
- Crazyredivan, on 05/22/2009, -4/+32Wow...just because you know some people like that, don't put us all in the same boat. I graduated in '07 Summa Cum Laude and it still took me 7 months to find a job- I worked retail in the meantime, as I did to support myself while in college. My husband graduated in '08, and it took him 8 months. He, too, worked odd jobs (because, by that point, even retail wasn't hiring) to try to keep us afloat.
We feel lucky that it only took us that amount of time. It's brutal when retail stores don't even call you back for an interview because they aren't hiring either.
This has been the experience of most of our college-grad friends; please don't lump us in with the "gimme gimme's" of this generation. - Chorney, on 05/22/2009, -5/+33A college degree for the most part is a piece of paper that shows your employer that you are smarter then the average person and that you can learn new things. There are a couple notable exceptions but for the most part its a piece of paper backed by recognized institutions and individuals proving that you can learn.
- woofers07, on 05/22/2009, -2/+29Overpriced? Definitely, but I wouldn't call it a complete scam.
- non00b, on 05/22/2009, -0/+27you can do both though.. Work part time while going to school, join a co-op program, do internships, there are options.
- Haoie, on 05/21/2009, -2/+28I know people who are studying longer for the sole reason that if they do get out, there's no place for them to go/nothing for them to do.
- t0ny, on 05/22/2009, -2/+27I've been trying to find a tech job for some time now and every single one wants at least two years of on the job experience. Not the best time to be without a job and be looking for one.
- darkzealot89, on 05/22/2009, -2/+27Integrated Co-Op education into my Engineering Masters Program FTW
- strum40, on 05/22/2009, -30/+55A degree is worthless today Yeah you might get a "better" job with a degree but once the company you work for has a bad quarter you're laid off. Let's say you do get a big raise one day, the instant the company has trouble your large salary is a liability. If you play a vital role but get paid peanuts and decide to quit, then and only then will you be offered a raise even though you were worth more to the company the whole entire time.
It's a joke. Unless you're a government employee, college professor, or union worker there is no security. The only thing rewarded today is people who will do the most for the least, in other words people who will bend over and take it just so they can have a job. I know, it's the free market at work! Great, but a lot of people are going to be pissed when the 401k's, health benefits, and pensions that have been "suspended" by so many companies lately never end up coming back. - elshanero, on 05/21/2009, -3/+28Watch out for #1, but don't step in #2
--Thorton Melon - hummstheword, on 05/21/2009, -2/+26Lucky for me I'm staying an extra semester.
- chriskzoo, on 05/22/2009, -0/+24What were your majors?
- sHockz, on 05/22/2009, -0/+23i thought 90% of new business's failed within the first 5 years or something like that
- non00b, on 05/22/2009, -5/+27Learn math. Purge all feelings. Do what you are told. Study Logic.
- boozedrinker, on 05/22/2009, -5/+27Sorry man - getting a job you could have gotten WITHOUT college is your own ***** fault.
Like it or not, most job descriptions (for ones that pay worth a *****) ask for the applicant to have a college degree. Sad, but that's the facts man. - SpeedSteamBoat, on 05/22/2009, -0/+22People with degrees are still making a lot more money than those without degrees across the board. I'll keep mine, thanks.
- greenriver572, on 05/22/2009, -6/+27don't forget all the psychology majors. they are the worst.
- one1plus1one, on 05/22/2009, -1/+21Philosophical thought is not the waste of time you make think it is.
You could have said the same thing to the first ancient Greek philosophers, including Pythagoras:
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"Why are you ancient Greek-dudes wasting your time having discussions all day, and drawing triangles in the sand?"
Of course those first triangles lead to the idea that the real world can be represented mathematically, and from there we begin measuring the entire planet, the stars, and eventually the universe.
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Or you could have said to Thomas Edison:
"Why are you wasting your time trying to send your static barely audible voice to the other side of the house? Why not just walk over and tell Watson what the f--k you want."
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Or to the first scientists playing with computers in the 1940's and 50's:
"The war is over! Why are you wasting your time building these code-breaking machines? The world will only need a couple of computers. This field is going nowhere."
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You could have said the same thing to all those artists and writers, and visual arts students who went on to help create great cinematic, television, and video game entertainment for us.
Many writers, and visual artists of the TV-shows and movies we love have degrees in arts and literature and cinema, and visual-art, etc...
You don't understand the true value of education if you make a comment like that. - inactive, on 05/22/2009, -6/+26Overpriced piece of ***** colleges. Learning shouldn't cost 50k+ with a 19% chance of getting a job and I'm sure many of that 19% didnt even get a job in the field they studied. These statistics alone make college useless unless you get a medical or engineering degree, which most people cant. If my kid wants to go to college I'm gonna tell him to get a job first.
- 42Vindictive, on 05/22/2009, -7/+27Wezman is correct. You will quickly hit the glass ceiling because of a lack of certifications while others excel.
- zeth006, on 05/22/2009, -1/+20Dunno about going to college just for the sake of the "easy" degree. Polisci didn't just get me to write papers. It also helped me get internships and later on qualifications to spend a year working in another country. On top of that, there's law school.
Let's see...skills necessary for surviving in law school.
Decent writing skills, analytical abilities, argumentation, oh and don't forget. Bull-***** with cherries on top.
Can't get that from majoring in music, that I can tell you.
But I get your point. Plenty of idiots I knew who were clearly going to college just to party and/or not worry about getting a job. Some of them eventually got their arses off the floor and are now making something of themselves. But some of them... - ousthouse, on 05/22/2009, -9/+27Yeah, they're completely worthless... except for the whole "better job" thing that you pointed out.
- lisaawesome, on 05/22/2009, -0/+18You spent too much. I'm only 30k in debt.
- nipterink, on 05/22/2009, -0/+18well that's the point of the statistic.. only 19.7% of 2009 graduates had a job by the time they graduated as opposed to over half of 2007 graduates...
- moothemagiccow, on 05/22/2009, -1/+19you'd be better off getting an internship
- chriskzoo, on 05/22/2009, -1/+19Sorry, I'm an ***** - I'm just waiting for the inevitable "philosophy and religion" answer.
- yellowfish04, on 05/22/2009, -0/+18well *****..
- Black6x, on 05/22/2009, -1/+19My only gripe with this is that you assume that the people who went to college did so because they didn't want to get a job, rather than the idea that they either wanted to backstop their career with education, or the fact that the opportunity for higher education presented itself.
It would be a lot harder for them to try and go back to school later if they wanted to advance in certain fields, many of which would require a degree. -
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