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Can a Swimsuit Be Too Good?

popsci.com — Officials muddle over their options for fairness as records begin falling due to a single high-tech suit

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  • sungoddess808, on 03/28/2008, -19/+7Interesting suit! Norma Kamali, though quite expensive, has a beautiful line of swim wear. =)
    • lordmetroid, on 03/28/2008, -8/+1mmm, give me some swimwear and I would be attracted to you. If you are a bitch that is!
  • jasonsalas, on 03/28/2008, -5/+26less is more. :-)
    • noahhoward, on 03/28/2008, -0/+16I agree, the olympics should go back to their roots, swim, run, vault, shoot naked.
      • ancalagon73, on 03/28/2008, -1/+8Not so sure this would go over well for the winter Olympics though.
      • wellyuk, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1You read the naked comment from the story's comments! Cheat!
      • stretch611, on 03/28/2008, -1/+3It would increase interest in the games; especially considering that unlike a nude beach, most, if not all, of the people would have athletic builds.
      • dopplerdog, on 03/29/2008, -0/+2Nude weightlifting? Uhhhh... no thanks. Have you seen what those Eastern Block weightlifters look like?
    • bobartig, on 03/28/2008, -0/+6Well, in competive swimming, more is more. The fabric they've made has less friction than skin, so these new suits cover from neck to knee to reduce drag in the water.
      • jasonsalas, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1oh yeah, competitive swimming...that, too. :-)
    • Jenovaside, on 03/28/2008, -0/+7I swear half of this story's diggs are people who thought it was a pic of a swimsuit model
  • dartmanx, on 03/28/2008, -7/+100I want a high-tech one-piece female swimsuit that turns transparent when images of it are broadcast.
    • Narcism, on 03/28/2008, -7/+2Somehow, I don't imagine my idea swimsuit being one-piece...
      • TheKrillr, on 03/28/2008, -3/+17I personally prefer the way one-pieces look. They accent the curves of a woman's figure as opposed to showing as much skin as possible.
    • AladinSane, on 03/28/2008, -12/+1Boy, aren't you hypothetically Heterosexual. As well as being a douchebag.
      • TheKrillr, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4Hypothetically?

        I think you mean stereotypical heterosexual male.
      • dartmanx, on 03/28/2008, -2/+1Yes, but I'm the one with the multiple diggs and an appreciation of attractive women. +1 to me.
    • whisperedlie, on 03/28/2008, -2/+2unless amanda beard's wearing it. it's a man, baby.
    • Bizarrkley, on 03/28/2008, -3/+1And it comes with an application that I approve before purchase. I believe they will only come in sizes 4 thru 0.
    • kevincannon, on 03/28/2008, -1/+3Why? You'd never wear it.
      • dartmanx, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Yes, but I do watch the Summer Olympics.
    • humperdeath, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2That is the 'Emperor's New Swimsuit' that only smart people can see,
  • zoom1928, on 03/28/2008, -13/+54Buried. The article is useless. It talks around the subject of the suit, but it doesn't give any facts about the suit. What is it that makes it notable?
    • Flashman, on 03/28/2008, -0/+33Check the link in the article: http://www.popsci.com/gear-gadgets/article/2008-02 ...

      "In key locations on the suit, the woven fabric used in previous designs has been replaced by polyurethane membranes with 24 percent lower drag (it’s too stiff to use everywhere). The suit has eliminated stitching and instead relies on ultrasonic welding to further reduce drag."
      • pauleric, on 03/28/2008, -2/+4Reducing drag is one thing, but this just doesn't seem right: "A new core stabilizer provides additional support to help the athlete maintain good form throughout the race." Having muscular control of your technique is what it's all about.
      • ukrainial, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1I want a welded swimsuit... and welded clothes. That would be awesome.
        • HonoredMule, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1There's plenty to be had, just past the maces and jousting lances on isle 4.
    • pheil, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2pics:
      http://www.popsci.com/scitech/gallery/2008-02/suit ...
    • darlyn, on 03/28/2008, -3/+1It's transparent.
    • vvaduva, on 03/28/2008, -2/+2Yes, I agree. It's propagandist crap; if athletes in Afghanistan can't use those suits, nobody else should be able to because, wahhaaaa...it's unfair!!
    • thenome, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1I think the article was useful, but I would appreciate some more details.
  • MarkusGarvey, on 03/28/2008, -7/+44Naked Swimmers...FTW!
  • jjive, on 03/28/2008, -13/+2...and Kenny said "more drugs".
    Oh, yeah..."Major Boobage".
  • Flashman, on 03/28/2008, -2/+73I don't think it's fair to say the suits are unfair because other countries' Olympic squads have contractual obligations to manufacturers whose suits aren't as advanced. That's a result of putting business before performance. Where the suits might be considered unfair is their price - up to $5000 each - which puts them out of the reach of poorer countries. However, world-class training and facilities are out of reach of these countries too, and nobody talks about that aspect of the Olympics being unfair.

    The suits are fine. Perhaps they will give a temporary advantage to some countries, but this will only spur further innovation. On the upside, perhaps the logical extension of banning the suits is to have all competitors swim naked.
    • julialopez, on 03/28/2008, -0/+18true. if the only reason a country can't use the best suits is because they signed a deal with another manufacturer then they have to live with the consequences.
      • HonoredMule, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1I agree to a point. But what about the impact it has on the actual athletes themselves, who may not have even had a say in the matter?
    • Topher06, on 03/28/2008, -0/+7I have to partially agree that while swimming itself has to be one of the cheapest sports on earth (you just add water), if it suddenly costs more to outfit a swimmer then it does a hockey player, then that can start becoming unfair to developing nations. Having said that, those African marathon runners are still wearing expensive state-of-the-art shoes (in fact I think those athletes are studied to learn how to make running shoes better) despite coming from poor nations. If a nation has hopes that an athlete might actually compete to WIN the game, rather then just competing IN the game, then even a $5000 suit can be afforded. Corporate sponsors will also want to put their suit or brand on any athlete that can reach for gold, regardless of which nation they come from.
      • PussInBoots, on 03/28/2008, -6/+3$5000 swim suits do not exist, lol.
        I owe a kind of swim suit Michael Phelps wore for his 200free in Athens 2004, it cost me $167.00

        P.S.: I was on swim team in High School
      • Grok22, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3Actually many African runners have a very natural foot strike from growing up barefoot and barefoot running. Modern running shoes have a heel lift that changes how the foot hits the ground creating more impact, all the cushioning in the world wont overcome this. the best thing to run in is either barefoot or very miminal shoes with no heel lift and a soft flexible sole.
    • drafhk, on 03/28/2008, -1/+9$500 each. Big difference.
      • mbraynard, on 03/28/2008, -1/+8$550, actually. But if you are an Olympic swimmer, they actually pay YOU or your team to wear it. You can pre-order it if you want.

        No one at the Olympics pays for the equipment you see them wearing.
    • Adma1, on 03/28/2008, -0/+10I could see increased drag issues for men swimming naked.
      • SkippyDoorknob, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4There was shrinkage!!!
      • campigenus, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0Yeah, but for those being ... underrepresented down there, there would finally be a bonus.
      • stormgren, on 03/29/2008, -0/+1it hurts when you do a flipturn.
    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2The Olympics are a test of skill, not equipment.
      If we exaggerate this situation, it comes down to who has the best super suit.

      So this swimsuit problem is moving things in the wrong direction for the olympics.
      But that said it's still a hard problem to correct.
      • dareNmc, on 03/28/2008, -2/+0who's skill? the skill of the trainer, the skill of choreographer, the skill of the coach, the skill of the weight trainer are those significantly different than the skill of the engineers designing the suit?
        I realize swimming is not considered a team sport by many. Swimming does seam to be a one on one sport once in action, but every sport becomes a one on one contest at some time. In swimming (like every sport) the psychological games started long ago for the Olympics, and it isn't just the swim team, but the entire country helping the individual. The team with the best skilled Gymnast isn't guaranteed a win, same as the team with the best skilled BB player, or the best swimmer.
      • dopplerdog, on 03/29/2008, -1/+1Sorry to break the news to you, but it seems like you've been hiding under a rock for the last 40 years. The Olympics is primarily a contest between pharmaceuticals, not "skill". Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just telling it as it is, unpleasant as it may be,
    • prometheanspark, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Modern athletes also have their performance analyzed by computers and stop motion cameras, and use feedback from that to perfect their technique, not to mention the weight lifting, training at altitude, vitamins ect used now is tailored perfectly to the athlete's body. This gives competitors today an edge over historic winners, and will continue to do so for some time.
    • aladrin, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2That my was first thought as well: It isn't an issue about availability, it's all about someone making stupid contracts. I fail to see how that's Speedo's fault, or the fault of the competitors using Speedo's stuff.
    • robbiemuffin, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1"Where the suits might be considered unfair is their price - up to $5000 each - which puts them out of the reach of poorer countries. "
      Any COUNTRY that is so poor it can't afford a 5k swimsuit is in .. well, really deep water!
    • Humdain, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Dugg up for intelligent response doubled with a wanting to see people naked.

      Couldn't have said it better myself
  • webefools, on 03/28/2008, -3/+116eliminate all swim suits, compete in the nude...
    • allanpat, on 03/28/2008, -2/+11would never happen - wet pubes create too much drag
      • shaka999, on 03/28/2008, -0/+16Brazillian!
      • AndrewJC, on 03/28/2008, -1/+12Swimmers all shave everything anyway to prevent drag. All that swimming nude will do is increase the amount of shaving one does before competing.
    • n3demonic, on 03/28/2008, -8/+12Then asian men would dominate the field because they'll have better aerodynamics below the waist
      • centran, on 03/28/2008, -0/+13So then would black men dominate polo because.... you know... they have a built in rudder?
      • akatherder, on 03/28/2008, -0/+13They would have to make the pool deeper for the African swimmers than right?
      • webefools, on 03/28/2008, -1/+2hahhaa... the new gillete razor i have heard is real good at making things hairless...
    • zephyr42, on 03/28/2008, -1/+4The fast suits have less drag than just skin. it's why they make them.
    • Energon, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4Go figure, that was how the ancient athletes were obliged to be in the Olympic Games. Plain nude. To avoid cheating and to guarantee that they were all men.
    • bxblox, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1It seems like a logical rule.
    • MadHarvey, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0Ehh... I don't think this would work. I believe there are certain anatomical, um, parts that would be hanging loose. These parts I am told may vary in size from individual to individual, thus increasing drag. Those with bigger parts, would have an built in disadvantage. Although, since those with bigger parts seem to have certain advantages in other areas of life, maybe the judges would be ok with this handicap....
  • INDOAZZ, on 03/28/2008, -1/+2Michael Phelps will be wearing one. I think it has helped his talented self already.
  • naj0rt, on 03/28/2008, -5/+3The IOC just needs to specify which materials can be used so everyone is wearing the same thing. Problem solved.
  • slimjim5811, on 03/28/2008, -5/+72Let me get this straight...this new bionic swimsuit is aqua-powered, moves your arms and legs for you and is controlled by a 9 year old kid in Omaha via his Wii remote?

    Ok...I didn't read the article.
    • debuggercll, on 03/28/2008, -3/+8That's right.
    • LMaxey, on 03/28/2008, -2/+1Summing up artikles makes life eesy! Redding is for suckers. (n dam near unposslible)
      /digg
  • Falldog, on 03/28/2008, -5/+6Bunch of ***** crybabies.
  • fruscianteisgod, on 03/28/2008, -3/+3fastskin ftw!!!
  • PussInBoots, on 03/28/2008, -3/+27In the next episodes:
    Can running shoes be too fast?
    Do light T-Shirts allow basketball players jump higher?
    • mbauer14, on 03/28/2008, -5/+2but the thing is, the ability of the suit to effectively cut through water can have a profound effect on the outcome of a race. if everyone has this suit, it becomes fair again. just categorize the records by suits worn : )
    • FK0123, on 03/28/2008, -6/+1Except you're just being an idiot and this obviously does actually matter. Look at the records dropping left and right.

    • MacTyler, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3haha don't listen to everyone else, that was hillarious and totally demonstrates how this issue is absurd.
  • VikingoTJ, on 03/28/2008, -4/+2Spandex pants! The next hot fashion trend! You all should see the compliments I get while wearing them at the supermarket.
  • inajeep, on 03/28/2008, -6/+7Make 'em swim naked. It's the only sure way of a completely fair and highly rated Olympics event.
    • PabloIV, on 03/28/2008, -3/+1well I think better endowed swimmers would generally have more drag, as well as female swimmers with larger breasts. Nope nekkid isn't the answer
      • Scheissen, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Since when has the Olympics been about standardizing to fit the weaker player?
  • VikingoTJ, on 03/28/2008, -3/+2Uh oh! I think I just posted the above comment on the wrong Digg submission.
    • BoneheadFarker, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3Oddly enough...it's somewhat relevent...
  • JedicodeWarrior, on 03/28/2008, -2/+3If watching the woman wearing the swimsuit makes me drive my car up a tree the, yes, it's too good.
  • Pstall, on 03/28/2008, -2/+4Yeah... a swimsuit can be too good... if it has an 150hp 3 prop merc attached to the back.
    • webyatri, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2damit I had come to just post that comment :-)
  • DavidJAugustyn, on 03/28/2008, -18/+1Swimmers are gay. Buried.
    • GRAVEWiSH, on 03/28/2008, -1/+6swimmers are the most fit athletes, plus they have the best bodies and get all the chicks..trust me i know
      • trackerbishop, on 03/28/2008, -2/+3true, but only for a time. they have the worst skin, hair and age almost as bad as track athletes.
        • lolkittah, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1I do? Christ, must make sure to re-evaluate what I see in the mirror.

          Sweeping generalisations ftw!
    • zephyr42, on 03/28/2008, -1/+4Actually.... Grave has it right, swimmers are the most fit.... And if you don't believe me go swim 1000m butterfly. I guarantee you won't make it 100m without stopping.
      • akatherder, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1The same can be said for any endurance sport. Why don't you go bike up some hills in France?
        • GRAVEWiSH, on 03/28/2008, -2/+2anyone can jump on a bike and give her...put someone in the pool and tell them to swim most ppl will drown.
          • trackerbishop, on 03/28/2008, -2/+3stfu
          • akatherder, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3What are you even talking about? We were discussing fitness, not danger involved in sports. Let's say most people can't swim 100M (much less 1000M). Most people probably couldn't bike up the same inclines that bicyclists have to deal with. If you want to focus on endurance and fitness, then swimming is in a category with a bunch of other activities.
  • gep642, on 03/28/2008, -6/+1The only problem with making the swimmers swim nude is that swimmers with larger... protruding organs... would be at a disadvantage.
    • gametavern, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2for males, perhaps make it an added "paddle" to propel yourself through the water.
    • YZBot, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Lower the water temp of the pool.
    • gep642, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1I actually meant that it'd be more of a problem with the lady swimmers with larger breasts.
      • scubajim, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1They would float better and not have to work as hard to stay on top of the water.
      • nj10ii, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Breasts..... OOOOOO
  • Georgy, on 03/28/2008, -3/+3Hehe, all you diggers were expecting girls in swimsuits!!
  • wissler, on 03/28/2008, -2/+3Unless they're going to switch to nude swimming they need to recognize that this is no different from technology improvements in other sports.
  • MattJF317, on 03/28/2008, -2/+10http://www.index.hr/images2/Jessica-Alba-skinnierV ...
    Yes
  • PacketScan, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Back to the Roots of Nudity..
    Then it's and even playing field.
  • toconnor, on 03/28/2008, -1/+3Yes. A swimsuit can be too good. See http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/2008_swi ...
  • mrogi, on 03/28/2008, -4/+2I love the new swimsuit for the reason I love steroids and HGH. As a sports fan, I pay to see athletes perform superhuman feats that stretch the boundaries of what previous generations thought possible. Remove all restrictions and let's find out how far human beings can go. Long live Barry Bonds and Michael Phelps.
    • Eggman, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Don't you dare put Phelps in the same sentence as bonds.
      • mrogi, on 03/29/2008, -0/+0Good point. Phelps can't hit a curve ball.
  • demoman2k6, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0Ok so this mean's that if they find that a SUIT is PERFORMANCE ENHANCING all future swim races MUST BE DONE IN the NUDE?? Sheesh come on, PERFORMANCE enhanced material this is rediculous. I say let's pull the restricting bodies and see what we as HUMANS can accomplish with all of our Technology allowed as long as it's NOT DAMAGING to the HUMAN BODY!
    • morcheeba, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1like snorkels and flippers? or do you mean speedboat (because we already race those)?
  • nycmac247, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1"When it was used for the first time at meets in Missouri and Australia, three world records and two American records fell "
    LOL the new records had nothing to do with swimming... [insert "adult" material here]

  • hadak, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1***** the suit- a fresh shave and some grease will get ya there in a jiffy.
  • jhoon, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3Having worn my share of fastskins, I can say that the most significant effect of wearing one of these suits is added buoyancy. Since it's long been known that certain suits (e.g. wetsuits) are very buoyant, FINA rules are very clear about how much extra a suit may confer a swimmer. I wore an FS Pro (the previous model from the suit discussed ITA), and it's certainly helps a bit but isn't enough to fundamentally alter the sport.
    • lolkittah, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Totally agreed. I always felt like my legs felt "lighter" at the end of a race (especially a 200 + distance) in a Fastskin. I swam breaststroke and always wore the knee-length suits, even though a lot of breaststroke swimmers stuck with the hip-cut.

      However, I don't think it ever really changed the outcome of my races. Not nearly as much as the thousands of kilometers swum over ten years did, anyway :)
  • diggdiggerid, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Genetics can be unfair too, but no one complains that it's unfair that the disabled kid will never win. Should we ban people that just get lucky genes?
    • lolkittah, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Ah, I know you're being semi-facetious, but I once heard a local official in the town I grew up state that one swimmer shouldn't be allowed to compete in the regional championships because he was too fast. Yeah. Really.
  • akatherder, on 03/28/2008, -1/+6FTA: "In many sports, say basketball and badminton, this is a moot point—a pair of shoes won't make any real difference."

    Ok, I challenge Michael Jordan to a game of basketball. I get to wear Reeboks and he has to wear high-heeled, wooden clogs strapped to cinderblocks. He'd still beat me but it would be a lot closer than if we had the same footwear.
    • nj10ii, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1I doubt it would make any difference. He'd mop the floor with you, high heels or not, sorry...
    • jnosanov, on 03/28/2008, -0/+4That was an amazing comment and mental picture, I digg your comment (back up to 1!) and tip my hat to you sir or maam
  • Treoinmypocket, on 03/28/2008, -1/+1FTA:
    Ah, but therein lies the rub. Every athlete doesn't have access to this technology. When it comes to the Olympics, some countries have contractual obligations to other manufacturers."

    Uhm - tough *****. Wear what is the best or lose and shut your mouth.

    FTA: "Letting each swimmer wear Speedo's model would require an implied concession from other manufacturers that its suits are inferior."

    - No its doesn''t. "Letting" means choice - they can wear what they want. There is no implication of anything.

    • matu4251, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2If Adidas pays a country to wear its swimsuits I don't think they'll appreciate the swimmers to wear Speedo's suits... Lets face it, it does imply Speedo is better.
  • GonzoAKQJ10, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3I think the suit shouldn't matter if the swimmer is the one powering the movement. Technology is a good thing. Did drag racers bitch when supercharges were invented? No, they make you go faster. That's the point.
  • l4lucas, on 03/28/2008, -0/+3More information on the actual composition and science behind the suit:
    http://www.popsci.com/gear-gadgets/article/2008-02 ...

    As a long time competitive swimmer I do not see any problem with this suit. It does not cost 5000 as Flashman says. The full body version is only $500. Still a lot, but in the range of any elite athlete going to the Olympic games.
  • weeeezzll, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1If all of the competitors are wearing the same suit then isn't that fair enough?
  • Apokalyps2547, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Unless the suit has some kind of propulsion system, the swimmer is still the one applying all the force and, therefore, responsible for his own victory. I see nothing wrong with this.
  • pat0neill, on 03/28/2008, -0/+5i am a swimmer, and look at the rate the records were falling at before these suits started coming out. i have worn them, they don't make such a compelling difference. its a matter of thousandths of seconds.
    • pat0neill, on 03/28/2008, -2/+1that is laughable grammar. syntax error.
  • kmb1794, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Obviously you're not a baller.
  • freakstyle571, on 03/28/2008, -1/+8As a swimmer who has worn FastSkin in the past... These suits do help. But nowhere near the degree that I think most people are thinking. This isn't shaving seconds, half-seconds, or even tenths of seconds off of lap times. Its HELPING shave hundredths of seconds off. 99.99999999% of that shaving that second off is all in the swimmer's training and sometimes luck. When you're dealing with accuracy at that level, a push from a wall that is an inch off mark can make the difference between 18.23 second in a 50 meter sprint and 18.22 seconds (times pulled from head). I think these suits are fantastic and see no reason to ban them or enact rules against their use. Don't discount the swimmer for breaking these records by blaming it all on the suit and not giving them ample credit. Much of the recent improvement has to do with better understanding the bodies physiology and better training regimes to prepare for these events. Bravo to the swimmers who took down 15+ year old records. That is quite an accomplishment.
    • scott12087, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Completely agree, except that, if you're a real swimmer, how the hell do you pick 18.22 secs for a 50 off the top of your head???
  • MrViklund, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1The line has to be drawn somewhere.
    • nj10ii, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2How about drawing the line across your forehead, then down the tip of your nose?
  • Hobofuzz, on 03/28/2008, -0/+2Weren't the original Greek Olympics performed in the nude?

    Although I'm sure their real reasons for this had something to do with their love of for the *****, it does almost entirely eliminate unfair advantages.
  • eakius, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1clearly the only fair option is to compete nude. that way it only comes down to performance, no other variables. the women compete nude. men don't swim right?
  • lukeduke, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Who needs a high tech suit, eat a bowl of beans and provide your own propulsion.
  • Galume, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0"Can a swimsuit be too good?" Uh...no...but it can obviously be too opaque
  • unknownpoltroon, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Are people faster swimming in these suits, or faster swimming naked? Seriously.
  • undeadbydawn, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0This is no different from the sudden dominance of 2XU in triathlon. The whole point of sports technology is to improve individual performance beyond 'natural' human standards. They only work when combined with actual talent and ability though... I have an amazing 2XU Elite trisuit and still paddle like a drowning dog, but can I cycle at 30mph in it with a little effort.
  • mweflen, on 03/28/2008, -0/+1Isn't it "mull" over? Popular Science needs some higher-performance editors.
  • fissionvsfusion, on 03/28/2008, -0/+0The worst part about a FastSkin is that it takes as much energy to put it on (squeeze into it) as it does to swim the actual race. It should be RUINING these people instead of helping them! I don't understand!
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