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- neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+61Your favorite text editor is the standard if you're worth your salt ;)
- qsilentq, on 10/12/2007, -4/+38Yes, I am in a comma. I also spend a fair amount of time in an apostrophe.
- SparQy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/default.mspx
Direct link - neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21You're thinking of Google.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"Your favorite text editor is the standard if you're worth your salt ;)"
Yeah, but using a text editor won't earn you much salt!
If you actually want to do a large html project, an intergrated editor is the best way to go. It's easier to validate in, there are site and asset management features and there is, of course, the auto-closing tags and tag suggestion. - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18There are those who can code, and then there are those who can design. Those who can do both use Dreamweaver...
- foovo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14"Your favorite text editor is the standard if you're worth your salt ;)"
text editor?
LUXURY!
Back in my day we used to have to peek & poke bits and we only got zeros on a Sunday if we were extra lucky. - SparQy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Has anyone bothered to check out the program? Seriously, it's NOT Frontpage, not by a mile.
Just sit back and watch the video of the walk through:
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=115387
or the marketing-oriented STANDARDS COMPLIANCE video here:
http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/web_designer/demos.mspx?v=wd_standards
Microsoft actually got it right this time. Let's lay off the blind M$ Bashing.
[sigh]
DIGG - bouche, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12thanks for the direct link.
I absolutely HATE it when people post links to their own site instead of the direct link. There should be some sort of "tar and feather" system that kicks in when people do that. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Exactly! -MS Marketing Exec
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14A monkey at a keyboard is better than FrontPage. And the description sounds like an overenthusiastic spam chain letter. It's frankly really hard to get excited about a johnny-come-lately, unnecessary app from Microsoft when the existing options are pretty much perfect.
- soopafly, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16"Dreamweaver is awesome, it's the standard"
When did Dreamweaver become the standard?? - ThisIsMyName, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16"So far, this promises to be better than front page"
So it's a nicer piece of ***** than their last piece of *****? - illusionfxp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I believe it was renamed to Sharepoint Designer for Office 12.
- volcompimp, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15Sweet! Let's make it even easier for people to code against standards!
- Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@chicken101
This is a marketing piece. Of course, when you get the final product, you will have a tool that shoves ASP.NET and other Microsoft technologies down your throat and it will be equally frustrating to people who know how to do web programming already because it will want you to conform to Microsoft's way of doing things. That's how all their tools are. I'm not saying they are bad tools, but they aren't for everybody.
Also, In my opinion, if I can't develop and use it on my BSD box, then it isn't a standard. :) - SparQy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8theone3: this is not a webpage designer, think if as a cross between Macromedia Flash, Frontpage, and Visual Studio. Previously known as Sparkle, check out the interview with Manuel Clements on Channel9.msdn.com if you want an informed outlook.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=115387
SparQy. - Bobius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I just like the fact that if you watch the video about standards, you will notice that it checks for compliance to CSS 1.0, CSS 2.x, and CSS IE6.. See IE6 is standards compliant. They just have their own standard!
- hankyone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6-------------
NO NEED TO GO TO THAT FORUM;
JUST GO THERE: https://connect.microsoft.com/availableprograms.aspx
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thnks for your attention ;) - salmonmoose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Better than frontpage :)
so it's ... like... notepad? - zootm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nah, this is the web designer. There's three products - Web Designer, Interactive Designer, and Graphic Designer. Interactive Designer used to be called Sparkle, it's the one you're thinking of (and from the Channel9 videos, it's incredibly impressive). Graphic Designer is what used to be called Acrylic, and my only experience with it makes me think it's the hardest piece of vector graphics software I've ever had to use, although I've not used that many.
- tehJR, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8I do all my work in BBedit
- icexe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4if it's truly "standards based" like they claim, then it would generate websites that break spectacularly in IE. Unless the generated CSS automatically includes all the stupid IE hacks that web designers have to hand code nowadays?
- gbeirne, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Genital leprosy is better than Frontpage, so they've not had that much work to do to better that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4What happened to microsoft frontpage?
- Jovan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well, it's over already.
- battybattybatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4-2 diggs should be applied to an additional "Problems" choice called "Indirect Link", just below the Bad Link choice.
- hchaudh1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I am developing a webapp and God knows how much time I spend after writing my code which works for pretty much every browser, to hack it and bend it so that it will also work with IE. I wish MS would just do away with their monstrosity and either start over or concede.
Besides, Adobe's products are tried and tested. I use them and they produce code for not only HTML, CSS and JavaScript, but also for JSP, ASP, ColdFusion etc. etc. I don't think MS Expression will be supporting any rival technologies. - neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think they pulled that product because it sucked (my opinion, of course).
edit: @illusionfxp - if that is correct, thanks for the info, I thought they had pulled it. Makes you wonder why they would create two different apps that do (basically) the same thing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"So far, this promises to be better than front page"
As long as it deploys proprietary and non-standard HTML, etcetra -- who cares? That was the worst thing about frontpage above all. - MoeB, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.mspx?v=expression_vision
- neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I think you're right and I'm very excited about this. If you guys haven't done so already, watch the video he linked to.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8look at the training videos at: http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/demos.mspx?v=expression_vision
It makes it easier to code to standards, sorry. - figmund, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I watched some of the videos and it's not a rehash of Frontpage. But I do have to laugh a little that they push the standards compliant issue a lot - and that you can preview it in "any browser" without actually having to go to the browser itself. Of course, the "any browsers" listed in the pull-down are all IE. And the last time I checked, IE isn't fully standards compliant, so why promote that this thing can build fully standard compliant pages - as IE might not display 'em properly. Anyway, it looks to be a decent competitor to Dreamweaver - and should keep Adobe on its toes.
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I love how people complain that Microsoft bashing is getting old when I can't think of a company on earth that more effectively brings it on themselves. They have all the resources they want at their fingers, a virtually bottomless bank account, and are right there at the forefront of technology with the rest of their competitors...yet they continually, bafflingly continue to release second-rate products whilst leveraging their hard-tactic stranglehold over the IT world.
As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft has absolutely no excuse for almost all of the *****-ups they've committed (and seem to rarely learn from) over the years. When you have a monopoly and most people are forced to use your products on a daily basis, your customers SHOULD take you to task rather than settling for "good enough" or resigning themselves out of frustration to a culture of mediocrity.
If that's bashing Microsoft, then I think they can take it. I, for one, think they deserve a whole lot more, which they don't get because the majority of the PC-using public simply doesn't know any better. I'm not defending Apple either, but I can't fathom why a company as wealthy and talent-rich as Microsoft is such an enormous consistent ***** up. Almost every wave of hype they create results in eventual lowered expectations, and that's unfortunate and should be unnecessary. - kiddailey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Anyone else find it amusing that the guy on the MS Expressions main page is bending over with his hands behind his back? Is Microsoft trying to tell us something? :) (lol - sorry, couldn't resist)
- firehydra2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sigh* #1 I don't like people who post links to stuff that links to the real thing. That's friggin annoying.
And I need the latest graphics card to make it work? I smell bloatware.
Can't say too much about whether they follow standards or not. Either way, I am staying with regular code. No sophisticated programs needed, and you can do it on ANY computer. Not saying dreamweaver is for newbs (great program)...just saying that I'm just used to hard coding everything because I can see my mistakes rather than figure out what the program did (exclude photoshop or GIMP from that).
I'd like to see if Microsoft made this a better product, though. - TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net
That's my favorite development editor. :) - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think you're being too kind. There are worse things, though... like making webpages in Word *shudder*
- Shorties, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah someone please to the signup because its not listed anymore
- NorthernDude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/en/graphic_designer/gd_free_trial.aspx
How about there? Requires registration and is active for 180 day trial. There are also a few other files necessary to run it. You'll see it on the trial page. - thegsa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Does Anyone Have a Direct Link?
- ownedbytheman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's no longer in the list of available programs leading me to believe they have reached the 5000 mark.
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"So far, this promises to be better than front page"
That makes me smile on the inside. - mikev, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If Microsoft keeps up with their stupid iLife rips, we will see Vista by the time I am dead.
- redskin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So what're you people downloading, an executable/installer? Why exactly hasn't somebody mirrored it for us all?
- udha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2take a chill-pill, English is ambiguous at the best of times. It doesn't change the meaning of the story, I won't be testing it though, it's just a long shot, but I'm guessing windows would be required to run it, oh well.
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If your using this software to make standards based sites then you have no idea what your doing.
I have been using web standards in my job for 3 years now (I work for in the educational sector so have to by law) and trust me it's more then just valid XHTML.
I will say that's it's ok for n00bs who don't really know what it is just want a web site but I have seen so many people proclaim there on the cutting edge just becuase they read ALA or use XHTML and CSS. - cdunn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i like how you are putting down CF, yet talk about "getting tables right" and designing web pages....even going as far to say youve used frontpage....
anyone who thinks designing a website and using tags is "coding"....well....i assume that speaks for itself
i think you should keep quiet because you sound like an idiot - burke, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7"Those who can do both use Dreamweaver"
Hardly. If any significant part of your site involves actual code, say, PHP for example, all you're going to be is frustrated at Dreamweaver's so-called features. It just gets in the way. I've used emacs exclusively for the last 6 months, and I've yet to regret dropping Dreamweaver.
EDIT: Oops. Pretend I replied to that comment by theone3
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