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- novalux, on 04/04/2009, -1/+654This is an artists worst nightmare. Not only having work stolen from you, but being sued, harassed and defamed because someone else stole your work. Support this artist's fight and support the rights of all artists by spreading the word. Let StockArt.com, and any stock website, know that copyright infringement is a very big problem and that they have a responsibility to find out the truth and who the actual original owner is - not to bill, harass and ruin reputations of artists.
- ksalminen, on 04/05/2009, -3/+370***** you, Stockart.com.
- h4mx0r, on 04/05/2009, -2/+252This has hit Digg frontpage. ***** is about to hit the fan.
- logomotive, on 04/04/2009, -2/+246Yes, I agree just get the right guy before you go slandering a persons name. I support Jon 100% because I KNOW he's in the right here.
ME - gfreeman223, on 04/05/2009, -3/+193StockArt.com needs to be destroyed.
- jvaill, on 04/05/2009, -2/+173The lack of professionalism demonstrated by this company is beyond me. I sent them an email at support@stockart.com expressing my disappointment and would suggest you do too. Let's show these guys that the community as a whole won't support their bullying.
- Falldog, on 04/05/2009, -1/+164This is outrageous if true.
He should fight it to the very end. Not only should the stock website be forced to drop the case but they should be accountable for any fees suffered by Engle.
After that he should sue the ***** out of the law firm for defamation. What right do they have to go out, search for his customer base, then make such bias accusations against him?
And ***** shame on his customers. Getting a call out of the blue with serious allegations and not even bothering to follow up or get info from the other side?! Boy, that just screams responsibility. /s
I'd advice him to get as much date info from the stock website ASAP. They might try and change everything to support their case. Unfortunately site info, and meta data, are easily altered. - wentasurfin, on 04/04/2009, -1/+142It all just seems way too bizarre. But let's consider for a second what happens when you catch someone out, they never just come out and admit it the first time, and they usually make a big noise and it takes a while before the truth comes out. In a lot of cases, they'll bully you in an attempt to make it seem as though you're actually in the wrong and try and make you back down.
Well Jon, that's exactly what this stock site is doing. Don't you dare back down. You have enough people backing you on this one that you don't have to worry about having to 'go it alone'
Zena
Cape Town, South Africa - nogami, on 04/05/2009, -1/+120If he can prove that the art is his, he not only stands to make a tidy sum from a lawsuit, but if the website is slandering his reputation by erroneously mailing people about stolen work, they could be opening themselves up to a very bad lawsuit... Pretty stupid if you ask me.
Sounds like time for a real lawyer rather than internet support. Get a C&D going so they can't send any more letters, then see them in court. - shalosophy, on 04/05/2009, -1/+114I really hope he sues them for more than the $18,000 - just to teach them and their lawyers a lesson.
- GodGiven42, on 04/05/2009, -3/+115You now have the internet on your side. I smell some Denial of Service attacks on stockart.com. Get those servers ready boys.
- YEEK, on 04/05/2009, -1/+101Seems to me if StockArt is selling his images, then both StockArt and the copycat contributor are violating Jon's copyright and are liable for major damages.
Some lawyer is going o have fun with this. - sockpuppets, on 04/05/2009, -2/+93support@stockart.com
artlaws@aol.com
...and if that @aol.com doesn't tell you everything you need to know, well, you must be my Grandmother.
Edit: more info:
E-mail: art@stockart.com
Regular mail only: 155 North College Avenue Ste. 225 Fort Collins, CO 80524
All other mail: 520 S. Grant Street, Fort Collins, CO 80521
Phone: (970) 493-0087
Fax: (970) 493-6997 - FresnoRog, on 04/05/2009, -3/+91http://www.stockart.com/help.php
Registrant:
Stockart.com
155 N. College Ave. #225
Fort-Collins, CO 80524
US
Domain name: STOCKART.COM
Administrative Contact:
Askew, Richard victor.vacaretu@vimore.com
155 N. College Ave. #225
Fort-Collins, CO 80524
US
970-493-0087 Fax: 970-493-6997
http://www.spoke.com/info/p9lNBpp/RichardAskew - ThePastafarian, on 04/05/2009, -2/+84Can anyone find some people to contact? I smell a chance for some good old internet justice.
- viper001, on 04/05/2009, -1/+82God I hate predatory lawyers... Reminds me of Monster Cable inc. and their slimy ways
- KaiserArny, on 04/05/2009, -4/+82Two can this game. Contact Stockart's clients tell what you think about them
http://www.stockart.com/clients.php - TheGreatZarquon, on 04/05/2009, -1/+71That is absolutely horrifying. Knowing that it's YOUR work being stolen is bad enough, but when they claim ORIGINAL OWNERSHIP of YOUR work, then it's beyond a nightmare, especially since they want him to pay $18,000 for his own hard labor. I'm sure that the artist will prevail in this case, since there's timestamps all over everything.
- babalonanon, on 04/05/2009, -2/+71Counter. Sue. Defamation.
- OneOfNone, on 04/05/2009, -1/+70If stockart.com believes that spreading false and unproven accusations to Jon Engle's clients is acceptable, it may be fitting to inform current and potential clients of stockart.com of the whole situation and dangers they face by using stockart.com. Including, but not limited to: dealing in (their) stolen property, predatory lawsuits, defamation, and severe damage to reputation and business.
Are there review websites where current and potential customers of stockart.com may be made aware of this? Does BBB already know? - etalli, on 04/05/2009, -3/+69Can you say "perfect story for Diggnation?" Not only would the publicity help this guy out a ton, but a discussion on this sure wouldn't bore anyone!
- LeviTheSmith, on 04/05/2009, -1/+63I just punched my face out of excitement!
- compgeek, on 04/05/2009, -1/+62Dugg in support of the guy kicking the living ***** out of the site in court. If it were me in his place I would have told the lawyer very promptly to ***** off and in those exact words as well. I would have secondly countersued for theft and any subsequent profit they made from selling the stolen artwork. You want to sue ME for work I created? Alright have fun when I countersue you for theft,fraud,defamation etc to the tune of 10-100x your claim. I'd also have the original sketches and other such material to backup my claim, what would they have? nothing more than an upload that they can't prove was made by them. The site will get ***** over in court that's a gaurentee.
- LordBalderdash, on 04/05/2009, -1/+61lawyer-up, dude. can't fight this one on your own, you need to take it to them.
right now it seems the other side is just making threats, you need to file suit on their asses if you want to get anywhere. go on the offensive - they're the ones who've broken the law. - drocra, on 04/05/2009, -1/+61I happen to live in the same town as the home office for StockArt.com. If anyone has any written complaints they'd like delivered in person, I'd be more than happy to drop a stack of nasty letters on their desk.
- sockpuppets, on 04/05/2009, -2/+59We can't hear you over the roar of the angry mob, sorry ufia. Now just go grab a pitchfork and torch and meet us out front.
- Ajajadude, on 04/05/2009, -1/+54He should, especially since they went after his clients. Loss of business alone should net him some serious money (I don't usually advocate being sue-happy, but this is ridiculous).
- victorsays, on 04/05/2009, -8/+61I've got my torch (twitter) and pitchfork (tumblr post) ready. Go get 'em, we've got your back.
- Super6, on 04/05/2009, -3/+53The EFF should help him win the case and counter-sue for them stealing his images and for slander/libel/defamation.
- denman, on 04/05/2009, -2/+52Maybe the Conflicker guys can lend a hand on this one. Take them off the net forever. Try and stop a 15 million member botnet. That would be great!
- NickRac, on 04/04/2009, -21/+71Awful! I'd be going crazy if I were this designer!
Posted on Twitter for all who follow me to see and hopefully repost! Good luck Jon! - benjie, on 04/05/2009, -0/+48Dick Askew. How appropriate.
- Ajajadude, on 04/05/2009, -1/+49The fact that they're going after his, well, good name is beyond *****. I'm actually getting angry that people do this to other people. How could they think he would just fork over that kind of money?
- rilus, on 04/05/2009, -2/+47"aren't you guys the self proclaimed pirates of the internet's seas who only have one goal and that is to infringe copyrights?"
You really are an imbecile. Because downloading and playing the ***** Sims without paying is the exact same as downloading someone's work, try to pass it off as mine, and then charge the original authors.
Moron. - Gareth321, on 04/05/2009, -0/+45That's right!
Bob
Land Mass, Planet Earth - deboerpa, on 04/05/2009, -1/+41He didn't know about meta data before today and doesn't have his own lawyer suing these fools already. WTF?
- ThantiK, on 04/05/2009, -1/+40Please, if you have the time and are willing to dedicate the effort to track down contacts for stockart.coms clients, and contact them regarding this matter, don't hesitate.
Inform them that they may be opening themselves up to lawsuits by using stockart.com - Cyberdactyl, on 04/05/2009, -3/+40Dude, quit whining on your blog and counter sue. If the evidence is on your side AND if you can prove stockart KNOWS the art is stolen, they will fade away away like a nasty fart in a breeze.
- gorgalor, on 04/05/2009, -0/+37Time to hire a lawyer to work for you, ASAP. Countersuits for defamation can be a bitch. And it sounds like the tactics that are being used against the artist can be well documented.
- anixmander, on 04/05/2009, -1/+36From what I read of the article, he never uploaded to Stockart. Someone else took images off his gallery and uploaded them.
- denman, on 04/05/2009, -0/+34I totally agree with what you are saying here. I hope this story gets so much play that people stop using stockart.com. Looks like this one is already blowing up in their face which is good. I hope Engel gets a huge check for defamation and the slimy tactics being employed by stockart.com!
- elitebox, on 04/05/2009, -0/+34This experience should be a reminder for artists to submit their work to the Library of Congress ASAP after designing. You can always assign your rights to someone else later.
Some thoughts for the artist: You should get a very good lawyer ASAP and file counterclaims for libel, defamation, and IIED. Also, file for declaratory relief of non-infringement. Make sure your attorney files sanctions against the other party's legal counsel. Use the discovery process to find out everything you can about this company and how they stole your artwork. Demand a trial by jury.
If you really are the original creator, you have nothing to fear and only $$$ to gain because of this company's abuse of the legal system. - rancidpony, on 04/05/2009, -1/+33http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/stockart.com
- Ajajadude, on 04/05/2009, -0/+31When someone like me downloads a song off the internet, someone like me doesn't then turn around and sue the actual owner of that content claiming they broke copyright law.
- spiralspirit, on 04/05/2009, -2/+33hes getting the word out - the company is defaming him and he is letting people know about what is happening. he already says he is talking to a lawyer - im sure a legal response if forecoming.
- Wesside, on 04/05/2009, -0/+30Amen to that, if not we always have anon
- Khast, on 04/05/2009, -0/+30May Stockart go down in flames.
I'd say sue Stockart for slander, and demand the "artist" who stole your work and sue them as well. However, if you win the 1st one with flying colors, the 2nd will be in the basket as well. - LordBalderdash, on 04/05/2009, -0/+29he couldn't give up ownership rights to work-for-hire pieces, their rights would already be spoken for.
- LeviTheSmith, on 04/05/2009, -0/+29Why did you say "ME" ?
- Wesside, on 04/05/2009, -0/+28DDB Needham - Jeff.Swystun@ddb.com / Pat.Sloan@ddb.com
Bozell - http://www.bozell.com/contact/
Davis Ellen Advertising - markdavis@daviselen.com
Leo Burnett - monica.lambert@leoburnett.com
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Winkler - moreinfo@TheWinklerGroup.com
Temmerline McClain - media@tm.com (not sure on this one)
Saatchi & Saatchi - Mary.Baglivo@saatchiny.com
Hill Holliday - greg.winter@hhcc.com
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McCann Erickson - bruce.stockler@mccann.com
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Fogarty Kleine - info@fkmagency.com
Siegel & Gale - http://www.siegelgale.com/contact/ -
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