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- bjs3171, on 10/11/2007, -5/+35speaking as a designer of many things that aren't webpages, i ***** hate flash sites. it's ok in small portions, but a flash based website tends to be slow, and no where NEAR interactive enough. i don't care about your stupid animations every time i click on a new item. also, and this is the worst part, YOU CAN'T ***** NAVIGATE INTERNALLY. EVER. i am so sick of clicking the back button when in a flash site and having it go back to google. someone seriously needs to figure out how to fix that, and no, putting back buttons in the actual site is not a solution. sorry.
- Narrator, on 10/10/2007, -7/+29---
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Silverlight: Because the web should only be viewed on Windows XP SP2 or Vista. - ForbesBingley, on 10/10/2007, -12/+34This a topic I've been writing about recently — albeit from a business angle, rather than a developmental one.
I'm all for a little competition between Adobe and Microsoft. But I think long-term, Adobe are going to be the winners, here... - Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21So you don't support Flash and stuff like YouTube, then?
- MioTheGreat, on 10/15/2007, -4/+18Maybe not Silverlight 1.0, but Silverlight 1.1 is ***** amazing. From a developer standpoint, at least.
- UberNick, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16"Silverlight does has a sharper resolution"
Can you clarify this? As far as I'm aware, there's no limits on resolution when rendering in Flash Player. We're able to control our apps down to the pixel. - MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13The Silverlight people have been helping out the Moonlight people, so maybe not....I think Microsoft is counting on them to get Linux working because they just don't want to do it.
- frijoles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Flex has also been out for a lot longer. Silverlight is much easier to integrate directly with Asp.Net applications. If anything, Silverlight will hopefully make Flex better due to the competition between the two.
- geoken, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13No, he's one of those guys who thinks you tube videos represent the maximum possile quality achievable through flash.
- paulm, on 10/10/2007, -17/+29This article rings of a PR promoted piece paid for by M$.
- NoHandle, on 10/10/2007, -11/+21There can be no winners replacing one proprietary format with another. If Microsoft doesn't ***** it all up like Adobe, I'll support them. I hate Adobe, I hate what they do to computers with their turtle speed readers, arm+leg costing items and monopoly on journal / manual document formats. Everyone uses pdf's and everything thinks there has to be a better solution. Its like, once you get that ball rolling, there is nothing that is going to stop it, no matter how slow it rolls or how many ads are stuck to it.
- magus_melchior, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11However maligned PDF may seem in your eyes (and there are journals and manuals in HTML or *shudder* DOC), there are other programs that either create or read PDFs-- in fact, it's an open standard that's heading for ISO in a much cleaner way than the other evil company's document format.
- BalsamLane, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11Dang, the link got cut.
http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/Mark_Russi ... - duncanwinter, on 10/10/2007, -6/+15http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J++
- championchap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10People still use Shockwave?
Wow, my Firefox spell checker didn't even recognise Shockwave as a word! - MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10"What's more, coming from microsoft, I can only imagine what kind of horrendus security holes it has."
Someone hasn't been paying attention since Vista's release. Microsoft's track record with security has been pretty damned good on that front. Then there's SQL Server 2005, IIS6, both incredibly secure pieces of software. And the list goes on. Pretty much everything they've done recently has been good. - khalidhajsaleh, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12that will be an interesting addition. Adobe has dominated this space for a long time
- eclectro, on 10/10/2007, -12/+20FTA: "It currently supports Windows and Mac OS using the Internet Explorer, Firefox, and Safari browsers. In the future, it will also support Linux and the Opera browser."
Wake me up when the thing is *really* cross platform. So at this time using silverlight amounts to more discrimination against the Linux user. I see no advantage to having a user have to download another plugin. What's more, coming from microsoft, I can only imagine what kind of horrendus security holes it has. Even the article calls it a 'work in progress'. Buried as Lame. - jongalloway, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9That's an uninformed opinion. Silverlight is based on publish specs which are either standards or have been submitted for standardization. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Sep-05.html http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/09/04/ ...
- raindogmx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8As far as adoption in the enterprise environment I think Microsoft will have the advantage. There is no question about which IDE is better between Microsoft's and Adobe's. I think Silverlight has great potential as well as other competing technologies but it is the foundation (.net) which will contribute to its adoption as a rich client platform.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10That's not a Silverlight application.
- HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Flex is and IDE that uses Flash technologies. Silverlight is Microsoft's answer to both Flash and Flex.
An accurate comparison would be between Silverlight and Adobe AIR. - MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7For 1.0, yes: Javascript.
But for 1.1, there's a nice little .NET runtime backing it. You'll be able to use C#, VB.NET, Javascript, anything you want. Ironpython? Delphi? - LittleDas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Is it faster and what's it got in terms of a scripting language?
I'm honest to god sick of working with flash.
Edit: Ahh Javascript mea culpa for not reading the article first - mucnix, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Hell yeah, client-side .NET FTW
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Sort of....but not really. Silverlight is more like a subset of WPF.
Photosynth does not use Silverlight. It uses its own browser plugin. If this was using Silverlight, it wouldn't need the plugin. - magnusdopus, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Yeah. I think houstong74 is a Microsoft PR person. Not that I have a problem with it. Full disclosure would be nice.
- Takalth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7You say this, but you offer no substance in your argument. "I downloaded it. It sucks" Wow, that's really persuasive. Have you ever considered the fact that some people use Microsoft software because they actually like it? I've used several IDE's, and I think Visual Studio beats the crap out of any of them. Also, studies in the security of various DBMS's show Microsoft SQL server 2K5 to be more secure than major competitors.
- Jugalator, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5No problem, the second one is OK despite the truncated link look. There seems like a bug in Digg though, and your first link got broken probably because you edited the post. Digg should really not corrupt long links if you do.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Integrations with ASP.NET solutions, code reuse between WPF/.NET apps and Silverlight, etc.
Silverlight has a lot going for it. - Vorsuc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Web developer of around a decade, started off as a designer, more than handy with Flash and Director. Yes, a .Net developer (sorry but Java is too much of a pain in the big Win-based enterprise clients), but not on MS's Payroll.
Sure, Silverlight isn't the rapture, nor is it a 'Flash-killer' (Flash's design interface is way more mature, functional and easier to use than Expression Studio) but it is an interesting competitor and if Silverlight's 1.1 .Net framework can win out over Flex, it may start to gain a significant market share.
MS are also being clever enough to allow folks down the 'free' route (Visual Studio Express, Expression beta currently free download) in order to make every effort possible to make that happen.
I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a free, XAML/Silverlight editor appearing on Codeplex. With Flash though, you are tied to using Adobe's product to create your apps. - fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8But somehow it's a good thing if you substitute "Google" for "Microsoft" in that sentence..... go figure.
- theiss, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9I'm not trying another Microsoft web technology until they prove they can write a simple browser that supports web standards. I already have to deal with one broken web tech from them, why the hell would I want another?
- jcaino, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8lessee...im on a FreeBSD 6 box with firefox - what are the chances of getting a plugin for this? adobe pretty much has ignored this...
- EnterDaMatrix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Yeah. XHTML 1.0 Strict FTW. I hate all these ***** plugins that serve no purpose. Seriously I can understand flash for games, but it is ruining the entire internet. Accessibility, cross platform, speed, resource usage, mobile viewing, readability, correct copy paste action, legacy browser support, basically anything you would want from a good website, is complete ***** with flash or silverlight or whatever the next wonder platform will be.
- yozef, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9hahahaha... cross browser compatibility my as* it gave me: Windows XP SP2 and Vista Only
- Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I am the mighty Flex! Pay no attention to the marketing and sales department behind that curtain!
- kingofthegreens, on 10/10/2007, -8/+12Silverlight's best application to date:
http://labs.live.com/photosynth/default.html - fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4... right. Because that's way more plausible than you being a disgruntled 15 year old who's pissed because his parents won't buy him a new computer with Vista.
- kingofthegreens, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Nice...although I believe that is something specific to the Photosynth app. Silverlight itself actually runs on a Mac or Windows system, no *nix support yet though :-(
- fatdog789, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6I think you're a retard. MS is magic for developer tools. Maybe not for OS, or for security, but for developer tools, MS is a ***** god.
Hell, MS's developer tools and related support is the reason that Windows is the dominant OS today, while Apple is struggling to break past 6% (no/little support, active hostility to 3rd party developers on most Apple platforms), and Linux remains a niche product (poor documentation, dependency hell, no fixed/stable API for doing anything). - potifar, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I'd love to push SVG as a viable alternative to this proprietary *****, but I realize it's not nearly mature enough yet. Can someone please force Microsoft to implement SVG in IE, and then build a powerful, user-friendly development platform for SVG? :)
- ScumSucker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4What's the point in "rivaling" an entrenched standard. You have to surpass it in a pretty major way to make any difference.
- saifatlast, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Digg's comment system represents a poor design decision though, so I wouldn't say it's exactly a fair comparison.
- flangepiece, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4with a squiggly red underline and a paperclip asking you if you really meant "Pawned"
- Vorsuc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Runs off a cut down version of the .Net Framework, which as compiled code means it runs rather fast.
Their Chess demonstration (http://silverlight.net/samples/1.1/chess/run/defau ... lets you pit Javascript against .Net to give you an idea of the difference. - Renton, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11Either way, linux support will suck :(
- fundamentalprob, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Why do people equate h.264 with 'HD', or 'HDTV'?
Similarly, saying something is 720p doesn't mean the quality is amazing. You are only setting the physical dimensions of the frame and specifying that the video is progressive. The 'HD', 'HDtv' terminology is ambiguous and meaningless. The bitrate is perhaps the most important metric for determining the video quality. Using VC-1, H.264, flv (with On2) will yield very similar results. (Also, it should be noted that H.264 is a cpu piggy relative to VC-1.) - Terr01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3For those who didn't get the reference to Quake(2)...
http://bytonic.de/html/jake2.html - HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8You mean CURRENTLY published in the present version.
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