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- quomen, on 10/12/2007, -87/+398My question to all of you is, why do you say
"***** THE RIAA" because they're trying to
protect their artists and then turn around and
cry foul when people take art from deviantart?
Ok, i'll admit, I hate the RIAA too, but when I see uproars like
this over stolen art it just draws some interesting parallels
and I want to know what you guys think about it.. - tb229, on 10/12/2007, -21/+286Its very different stealing music, you're most likely just going to be listening to it.
You aren't using that music to turn a profit or increase traffic to your website. - npsken, on 10/12/2007, -28/+132The RIAA hacks computers illegally and accuses people who've never even touched computer in their life.
That's the difference. - rick2k, on 10/12/2007, -23/+125quomen has a seriously good point......
Maybe becuase the RIAA is a stupid set of people sending out lawsuits left right and center.. but this is just one guy and his work.
i dono? - Konstantino, on 10/12/2007, -13/+99@ quomen: Your point is VERY valid, but think about it this way; this guy isn't making money off his art at all. Artists do make money, and a crap load at that. He released his art for the public to enjoy, not to use it and sell it off.
- thatsmyaibo, on 10/12/2007, -14/+92The RIAA is trying to make their own money. DeviantArt doesn't go suing people over this.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+59Wrong. The RIAA isn't trying to protect artists. They're just there to protect their own interests, which is money. The problem with the industry is that the Artists themselves don't own the music, it's the corporations. So when it's infringed upon, it's the Corporations that'll be losing the most money and not the artist themselves.
RIAA is a corporation that protects it's OWN copyrights. The article in question is about an INDIVIDUAL that isn't owned by a major company. The practices held by the RIAA aren't held in good public opinion, as well, so don't cry foul when we're for a person's right to their work than just some huge company looking to make a buck on the incredible money they already are making.
Courtney Love actually has a very persuasive article that she wrote: http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ - Phyltre, on 10/12/2007, -14/+47@quomen: because the RIAA does not represent the individual artist. They don't give money back to the artist from lawsuits. They act as a cartel to maximize profits from (not TO) artists, often completely eliminating any profit from CD sales the artist might have seen. They also back laws that make other musical outlets less-than viable.
If you're drawing comparisons between an internet graphical artist and the RIAA, you are so far out of touch with the situation there's no much else I can say. - DarkEsquire, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33@quomen
Unlike the RIAA, this guy actually has proof. - AgentEntropy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27@ quomen
I can't speak for everyone, but my problems with the RIAA have nothing at all to do with the fact that they try to protect their IP. My dislike of them has more to do with the way they treat their legitimate customers, the way they treat their artists, and the manner in which they try to protect their IP. - GeneralAntilles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Why would I? I own the CDs. . . .
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Wouldn't the world be a better place if MySpace and everything related to it fell into a black hole, anyway?
- cypher35, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15You raise an interesting point here about the parallels RIAA, but it does not quite fully apply to this scenario. There is a significant difference between copyright infringement and plain 'ol piracy.
When most people download music, illegal or otherwise, they do not usually claim it as their own creation and attempt to profit off of it. THAT is what is so absurd about this. - Klarth, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14berland: I don't think he's trying to make money from his downloaded music (if he has any. Yay for unfounded statements!), as opposed to the wonderful people at Uberl33tMyspaceSkinzTop8Addme.com.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Dugg. That's wrong dude.
- l33tn00b, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8that ruins it for me, i can't stand watermarks
- highlighter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Agreed! Theft is theft and that's why copyright law was established, to protect individuals from such things as what pizam has done! If they want his work, let them buy it or license it! If they won't do that, remove it... and if they won't do that... take them to court.
- lowerlogic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12There is a big difference between people stealing music from the MAFIAA (who barely pay their artists anything and keep most of the profit for themselves) in order to listen to it in the privacy of their homes, and people stealing from independent artists, reclaiming the stolen works as their own creations, and trying to make a profit from it. One is called copyright infringement, the other, piracy.
- thegenome, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12Its being removed!!!
http://digitalphenom.deviantart.com/journal/12230981 for more information
woo... go the power of digg! - Gatesophile, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10ahh ***** digg me down :(
- blackbelt777, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I think after looking through Pyzam and hearing about all the infringement they've committed, they could be shut down, and they should. I really feel for you right now, Steve!
- IceZZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@kweee:
Creative Commons requires copyright to function, it is a Copyright License. You seem to be trying to separate CC from Copyright, but you can't. CC requires copyright to preserve the original work. You are also missing the fact that CC licenses vary based on the chosen terms, from public domain to nearly full copyright. To bring action on a work you CC that is stolen, you bring a copyright suit!
>a Creative Commons license with no copyright would be very difficult to defend in court
No such thing. The CC license weakens the copyright by providing granted uses and signing away certain rights, under license conditions.
For all the gun firing and yallering, most people on the internet have no clue how copyright works. Note that these same people who say copyright should protect this guy against theft will then go off and claim GPL offers even broader protection than copyright (which it does not). Stupid stupid stupid. - AppleG5x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Art theft is just not right. Taking credit for it is just shameful. Those people from Pyzam should remove the stuff as soon as possible.
- waterboy1628, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Sweet now I have a coool new layout for my space!
Thanks digitalphenom! - cpbrown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6okay someone is clearly trying to bury this story ... look at the un-diggs on the comments. how long until it disappears entirely?
- artHOUNDer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Isn't this part of DeviantArt's user upload agreement?
16. Copyright in Your Content
deviantART does not claim ownership rights in Your Content. For the sole purpose of enabling us to make your Content available through the Service, you grant to deviantART a non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, distribute, re-format, store, prepare derivative works based on, and publicly display and perform Your Content. Please note that when you upload Content, you allow third parties to copy, distribute and display your Content.
And actually the sentence, "Please note that when you upload Content, you allow third parties to copy, distribute and display your Content." is one of only two bolded sentences in their entire agreement. - IceZZ, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@zman:
>If its on the internet its freely available.
That's not the law, that is just how you wish it were. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"is in violation of copyright laws!"
when did copyright law matter at digg? - alex189a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Exactly. Someone needs to unplug the internets- pronto!
- AimeeGirl1971, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5 These copyright laws are supposed to help artists not be against them. This is why they call it a copyright law. Right? These people of Pyzam are looking at a serious lawsuit and for them not to respond to this unacceptable. I am a victim of this as well but unlike allot of us unless the copyright law is behind them 110% then we can't afford to take them to court to pursue. So, all in all I definitely DIGG IT!
- ButcheN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6its not right to steel work from anybody
I just started making my on art and wallpapers and would give anybody anything if they ask but just to take is not right. - NoahKai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9I swear I hate it when people take credit for someone else's work! It pisses me off so much! So I digg the topic :)
- Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Everyone at Pyzam is spending today digging down comments they don't like, very busy day.
- sally00, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Now people can steal THAT too.
- BiohazardKitty, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13I digged it, art theft is horrible.
- brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Its funny how many digg users will support the right to pirate and trade music, software and movies till the cows come home but some guy steals a jpg and its a travesty.
- Pix869, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Yeah there is, Dumbass.
- redlemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3i've never seen that many periods in one comment in my life. i think you win some kind of prize or something dude!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@arthounder
I agree, copyright on the internet is a joke, and clearly it is outlined in this agreement - lilyas, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Good thing, my friend! I hope you succeed!
- Wuffles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's rampant all over the internet. If content is available it will be used. Best thing to do is take it off (which will never happen now as the internet has its clutches on the pictures.)
I sympathise though, having your art stolen is no fun. :C - Solitude12, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Okay, that seriously sucks! I mean I don't get on diggs usually, but that is just crazy!! I had to digg it!! I can't believe people do that! It's just so stupid for people to steal art!
- sockettrousers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3> we need to stop it
Who is "we" and what am I supposed to do? Is digging the story up enough? Can I go to bed now? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3588282.
o rly - seithon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm probably going to be buried by some artsy type for this...
While I think its wrong for a company or anyone for that matter, to steal another work and then profit from it and claim it as their own, a look through the deviant art page doesnt actually show me anything thats that original, creative or artistic.
Lots of clever use of PSP, filtering layers etc, cutting pasting and doing fun things yes.
I just don't see any real worth to it and more to the point i'm amazed that someone is profiting from it atall, never mind that it was worth stealing. - jesstech, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8DeviantArt can go too. That place can be worse than most high schools.
Welcome to the Internet. Nobody cares. - Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It's like the child molestation laws. If a hot young lady teacher gives it up to a young lad, it's "niiiicceee". If a fat balding coach slips it to a young girl (or boy), it's lynching time. Now you understand morality.
- rnewson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@kweee
Creative Commons licenses are legally enforceable. Without copyright law, CC licenses would be useless. The truth is the exact opposite of your statement. - redlemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Stealing is Stealing no matter what it is, Period!"
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