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- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25Yea, everyone should write everything they use totally from scratch. I even write my own languages and compilers. I figure, if it's been done once, it's worth doing all over again.
- buss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14These are gorgeous!
- BellaOxmyxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13To those 1337ists who complain that everyone should just figure out how to do stuff on their own:
1) Sometimes it takes a good example to learn from. Ever think someone might want to look at the CSS source for these templates so that they *can* learn how to do it by hand? Why else does virtually every book on every programming language ever developed start with the "hello world" example application and include numerous other code samples as well? To study and learn from!
2) Sure, most anyone can learn how to do build sites using CSS - but that doesn't mean they can create an attractive design. These templates are actually pretty slick; especially considering they are offered gratis.
3) Just because you know how to do something doesn't automatically mean you should do it - especially if it doesn't make sense efficiency-wise, financially, ethically, etc. Sure I know how to design a decent-looking web site and could spend hours coming up with a nice UI, but if it's not my area of expertise, and I can download one for free or (gasp) pay $50 for a template from TemplateMonster (yeah, a lot of them are dogs on this site, but there are a few gems), then I'm gonna do it because it is a better use of my time/money when I spend it on actual revenue-generating activities.
OK, I feel better. - spliznork, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17fyi: digg isn't a news site, it's a communal blog.
- Massif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11"Jesus, do it by hand. Learn something.."
It's not so much about learning CSS. I already know CSS, but I have no sense of style whatsoever. That's why I like this. - pottery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Hey, what do you know. I made it to digg! i'm honoured.... :)
thanks all for your kind words. I'm a big fan of progression though sharing - hence putting these Mollio templates out there for free.
If a few people pick up some ideas for creating cleaner/semantic sites than I'm stoked.
For those that say you should learn to do it all yourself rather than nick a template:
Mollio is essentially the result of me looking at other examples and building on them for the last 5-6 years. You gradually work out what works and what doesn't, or what makes a layout fragile or robust. So I definitely think there's merit in putting up good examples to learn from.
so thanks again, still just excited about being dugg :)
cheers,
pete ottery
the guy that put together mollio - diggnate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7http://www.mollio.org/typeD.html
most of the templates seem to look a lot like digg. not that it's not beautiful, but it's just been done before. a good website is coded by hand. Concept > rough drawing > Photoshop > Scite(notepad) > Web.
you could throw a WYSIWYG in there somewhere.
BUT, these templates do a great job of familiarizing you with the semantics of XHTML/CSS which is very effective. no better way to learn than through experience. that's how I learned. - dancpsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I was going to complain about some templates getting to the front page, but these expand correctly, look nice, and have pretty much everything taken care of. I might use it for some of my own stuff.
- diggm0nkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"fyi: digg isn't a news site, it's a communal blog."
O RLY?
What is digg?
Digg is a technology news website that combines social bookmarking, blogging, RSS, and non-hierarchical editorial control. With digg, users submit stories for review, but rather than allow an editor to decide which stories go on the homepage, the users do. - diggnate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I concur. I wouldn't use a "template" on anything long-term, but you can learn so much about this stuff by going in an "hacking" the code to fit what you want. you might find out halfway through the process that you've learned enough about the way the page is displayed, that you might want to just start fresh and build something unique.
modifying code like this is the absolute best way to learn CSS. again, that's how I learned. - scottpatricks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you look at the javascript code in the download, it actually uses a son of suckerfish menu script!
- jschrab, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yes, yes they are very nice. And a few color changes, some minor graphic changes and you can have something that looks unique but has a solid layout/style base.
There's a growing number of these "open source design templates" out there but any that are exceptionally nice are a welcome find. - patrickweber, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's not a news site? Hmm, maybe someone made a typo: http://digg.com/faq
- UGM2099, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3damn! That's incredible! great job, mollio!
- BugMeNot2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Very nice, indeed. It'll definately be a great learning "tool" for me, seeing as how I'm currently just learning this stuff.
+digg
+bookmark - tryferos, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hot Diggity Dog....good stuff and much cleaner than other sites I have seen. And for all the "oh great more CSS stories", this is a site that is growing and evolving, even Kevin Rose has said it will expand to other topics and types of information.
Enjoy the internet for the resource of knowledge it is....and remember what the world was like without all this free info available at your fingertips. - Teh_Psyren, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sexy, simple design.
- kewlceo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The first decent CSS/HTML digg in a while. clap-clap-clap
- diggnate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2#2
CSS does the hover menus much different than JS. as far as i know, there is no delay on the drop down. but if I'm wrong, I'm sure the code to modify that would be in this file:
http://www.mollio.org/js/common.js
hope that helped. - fullasagoog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Mollio is an off-shoot of our work on the FarCry CMS project http://www.farcrycms.org/ FarCry is released under CPL so it made sense (to us at least) to release under that license. As the project evolves we may well consider an alternative and potentially more suitable license such as something under Creative Commons, as you suggest.
We're web developers, not lawyers, so we're kind of feeling our way here :) - SilverRocket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Very nice... a pleasant surprise after some bad CSS template links... digg++
- cybernetic798, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For anyone looking to modify the drop-down menus, google for 'suckerfish dropdown', a great tutorial on cross-browser dropdown menus that defeat even IE's CSS incompatibilities.
In any case, these templates are great! - fullasagoog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2One of the aims of the Mollio movement is to provide a set of HTML templates with good semantic markup for you to make your own skins. That is, leave the template HTML the same but change the CSS to come up with a completely different look. Like CSS Zen garden but with markup that would work well with most real world content. Of course you may need to change things to make your design unique, but the hope is that these templates might be used as an HTML toolkit so to speak.
- masprema, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Very nice. Thank you. Good start for people just beginning to segue into css.
- skwid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hey !
I actually dugg the story, because I fell in love with your templates ! And also because of the ideology behind it. Congratulations ! I hope you don't mind me digging your site without asking ... I should've asked, so you could have at least prepared your server.
Anyhow, great job ! - Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You can't really call using a template "designing a site". That's like calling copying a DVD "becoming a film director".
- wrinkles, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3 Suh-weet! Diggability: 10 out of 10. **********
- browncarpet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think this is the first CSS site I found on digg that I actually like..... Hmmm.
- vijayanand12003, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1you can download lots of website templates here
http://bestwebsitetemplates.org - dave_colorado, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What timing! I'm just about to do some major redesign and these are great! I'm bookmarking now for use later.
Quick questions:
1. Can the bottom right image on the pull-down menu's be made transparent where the page lifts? Maybe it wouldn't look good...don't know.
2. After you drag your mouse off the menu's, you should have a method call delayed by about a half second to turn them off. that way, they don't disappear instantly after you drag your mouse off. use this method: window.setInterval("hideMenu()", "1500");
FANTASTIC! - DruSam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Delicious! Just what I needed since I'm a CSS newbie! Digg.
- Nico_, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is great and it is something that i can use. Thanks.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Verryyy Nice :) thanks
- dave_colorado, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh yeah diggnate...that is probably it. i didn't think about that. boy it would be nice to have a little delay, though. i am looking forward to using this in my production software.
- diggnate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1all IE problems are fixable, it just takes a while to fix it.
Delays to me are annoying. I like quick drop-down, and equally as quick pull-up. just MHO. delays are definitely a JS thing, and typically JS makes a page bloated. the good thing about these suckerfish (SOS) drop downs is the relatively small amount of code it takes to get them working. The only reason there is any JS at all is because IE handles element hovers horribly. if it weren't for that, you could have the dropdowns without a line of JS. - pottery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>> I hope you don't mind me digging your site without asking ...
no worries :)
>> how did your server manage ?
i think it's going alright.
*looks across at the guy that looks after the server.*
he's still smiling :) i think the storm has passed... - jlangley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Great templates. Ignore the flames, glad it made it to the front page.
- dave_colorado, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1also - i bow down before your cross-browser integration skills...simply amazing.
but why does the hour glass show up on the mouse every time i navigate the menus using IE? is it fixable? - patrickweber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amen.
- skwid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amen (bis)
- zootm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Very cool, but I'm not seeing a blockquote style?
- skwid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh, and by the way, how did your server manage ? :)
- Misanthrope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gah! I just got through putting the finishing touches on a style sheet for a site I'm building, and now I see this. Some good ideas there. I wouldn't take the code, but I'll use some of the ideas for sure!
- dave_colorado, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1your work is first class
- zootm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Common Public Licence is comparable to the GPL, with a patent clause added in to avoid patent litigation and such. There's a quite good summary on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Public_License
- pottery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Get on the google group, suggest some code/style and I'll add it. There's heaps of bits & pieces that we could add in... i guess the trick is to keep it generic enough so that it remains... generic... enough to reuse/restyle for individual projects.
pete ottery - yongfook, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1+digg, but FWIW these templates are a bit fuxx0r3d in IE mac. I know it's not a huge issue since it's a dead (and crap) browser, but the best templates should attempt to work cross-browser to some degree.
- skwid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why would you complain ?
- seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Amen again! And then once im done writing a compiler, i write another compiler with that one to make sure it works correctly.
- prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1CPL is similar to the GPL. The major difference is you don't have to release source if you don't modify the original code, whereas in GPL you do.
CPL is not designed for documents, and doesn't really work for something like a template. It would've made more sense to use a Creative Commons license. -
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