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- wedges, on 01/04/2009, -2/+28they should rename this tutorial: "how to use terrible fonts and make bad layout decisions to create an ugly piece of trash in indesign"
- cobr@, on 01/03/2009, -1/+23Photoshop does not have the same ability to manipulate type, the only app that could do the same is illustrator. If you use photoshop to set type your are a newb. Its interesting that most people try to set type in a raster based app.
- ignitionnate, on 01/04/2009, -4/+25No it's not. Take a look at 98% of magazines out there. Where are the titles of the magazine? On the top part of the page. Putting the magazine title in the middle of the page is a good way to ensure that no one sees it when it is in a rack with other publications in front.
I'm sick of seeing lame tutorials that cater to people wanting to jump on the latest trend with their pirated version of Photoshop and their complete lack of individual imagination. It makes us real designers look bad when these people are calling themselves "graphic designers." - badqat, on 01/03/2009, -8/+28This is really a sweet tutorial for print newbies. A good first start for anyone new to the world of print.
- inactive, on 01/04/2009, -3/+18This tutorial is only for a music magazine cover. Could you teach me how to design a cooking magazine cover?
- gdog05, on 01/04/2009, -2/+17Unfortunately, a good number of people think you can do layout in Photoshop. Bitmap text looks like ***** and is almost always rich black. In the design world, InDesign is king and Photoshop is for noobs and housewives who call themselves "designers." Bravo for a non-Photoshop design tutorial getting Dugg.
- badqat, on 01/03/2009, -2/+15Uh, I'm not going to lie...I've laid out print pieces in Photoshop and AI before. Sort of depends on how complex a piece is...but InDesign is a much better print tool.
You certainly wouldn't lay out an entire magazine in Photoshop or AI... - WhoDoneIt, on 01/04/2009, -1/+13Don't sweat it. Most people don't know the LPI or DPI needed for images set within the document. They'll steal some hot chick pic from Flickr and wonder why it prints all pixelated after they are completed.
Anyone can lay text over a photo in Indesign, but it takes some knowledge to get a file to press the proper way and not have the printer laugh at you and charge you $$$ to prep it because you lack the pre-press skills. - MasterGracey, on 01/04/2009, -0/+11Is the magazine title "Free Edition" or "iSpin"?
The tutorial might be sufficient in teaching basic technical skills in InDesign, but should be deleted from the Internets forever simply because it is inadvertently teaching noobs to make incredibly poor design choices. - samfishercell, on 01/04/2009, -0/+10That was seriously horrible. I have only been positively surprised by the quality of a small handful of "design tutorials" that have appeared on digg.
This tutorial is a great example of one thing -- the fact that design is A LOT more than simply "knowing the programs." - fsufanizzle, on 01/04/2009, -0/+10Is this a joke?
- samfishercell, on 01/04/2009, -0/+9Your lame photoshopping of text that you've learned on DeviantArt is no excuse.
Sure, there are instances where that holds true. But if you think that the text on that magazine cover needs anything other than illustrator/indesign, you should just hang up your hat now and call it a day. - raydeen, on 01/04/2009, -0/+9Amen to WhoDonelt. I worked in pre-press for years and often wondered what the hell the designers were smoking. I once received a 'file' if you could call it that, that had 6 seperations split out over 6 files. And none of the registration marks were aligned. Oh, that was fun trying to re-assemble in Illustrator. And then there was the time a designer sent in a file that had 6 different vignettes hidden behind the main title art. Crashed the Scitex RIP station multiple times before we found these wonderful hidden treasures. And then multiple colors used for what were to be the same pantones....I don't miss printing at all.
- xprojects, on 01/04/2009, -0/+9InDesign is page layout software... I'm guessing based on your 3rd sentence that you know that and simply fudged your comment...
- xprojects, on 01/04/2009, -1/+9You're crazy why would you use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail? Sure it works, but the hammer is a more sensible option.
Also, you're wrong, most major print companies only accept Quark, InDesign, or begrudgingly, PDF. - WhoDoneIt, on 01/04/2009, -1/+9But you should if you are designing a "magazine cover".
While there are many other options out there to do just that, a page layout program is the best to achieve the proper output, especially with how programs handle text. Photoshop is NOT the job to layout a magazine cover. Once you've done your photo editing for the cover in Photoshop, place that image into the InDesign document and do all your text there. - xprojects, on 01/04/2009, -1/+8Well, Photoshop preserves the vector nature of type if you save your files correctly, but that said, prepping any legit print design for post-production in Photoshop is pretty stupid.
- PrimoTurbo, on 01/04/2009, -0/+7Garbage...
- jamesgoss, on 01/04/2009, -0/+7christ, how could you make a tutorial for a magazine cover and not even kern the display type (even the awful display type chosen)...
- valleyvideo, on 01/04/2009, -0/+6Dugg for the brutal graphic design comment war.
- samfishercell, on 01/04/2009, -2/+8Dude, amen.
I wish I could digg that up more than once for that. - taketaketake, on 01/04/2009, -0/+6a much better tutorial:
http://www.layersmagazine.com/magazine-cover-desig ... - xxl3w, on 01/04/2009, -0/+5Best comment ever. *bows*
- xprojects, on 01/04/2009, -0/+5You're preaching to the choir, I introduced the ad firm I had my first job at to the existence of InDesign. That was almost 5 years ago. They use it now, but it took them a while to move over to it. In all honesty though, I've been completely out of the print world now for 4 years so I may not know what I'm talking about... but I doubt Photoshop became a standard in that time...
- inactive, on 01/04/2009, -5/+10Good tutorial and I don't mean to cause any offence but in my opinion at least, it doesn't look much like a magazine cover. Needs a lot of work. Nice work taking time to produce the tutorial. I love the tuts line of websites.
- xprojects, on 01/04/2009, -1/+5@wedges: Well, if you're good enough Illustrator gets the job done quite nicely, I assure you! Besides, what you're talking about isn't copy, it's a raster graphic at that point. Copy is just that, text and nothing more, maybe curved or distorted a little but otherwise just text. It should be done in the page layout software.
In the design world where people get payed and things get printed in bulk your method is madness. It's common knowledge and practice that type is set in a page layout program. You are, in fact, mistaken. - cadmiumpaint, on 01/04/2009, -0/+4That tutorial is hilarious in that it teaches you how to make an incredibly ugly and poorly designed layout. That magazine would be out of business in 2 seconds flat.
learning some moves on a computer program does not make you a designer. You can't teach concepts. You can't teach taste. - revolushun, on 01/04/2009, -0/+4I agree. Sure it may be a a cool looking beginner's tutorial, but why wouldn't a beginner's tutorial contain even the most basic of proper text alignment in those cover lines? There are a lot of flaws that should be corrected so that the beginners who are taking part in this tutorial can start to familiarize themselves with basic print and design principles.
- KSUdesigner, on 01/04/2009, -0/+4Once you start altering type like that you can consider it an image. You don't want super crisp edges on something like that, but on regular type you do. It doesn't matter if it's block copy or a headline, you are always going to get crisper type from indesign than you will from photoshop.
- samuelcotterall, on 01/04/2009, -0/+4This looks like one of those free "Local nightlife" magazines they leave in bad coffee shops in cool parts of town.
Bad choice of typeface, poor kerning and leading. Eugh. - spookyturtle, on 01/04/2009, -0/+3The kerning, it burns!
- CrushThemTorg, on 01/04/2009, -0/+3Instead of drawing boxes behind their text, they could have set a background color for the text frame, then applied padding via Text Frame Options. That way your text is strongly grouped with the visual element.
Also: Lern 2 kerning plz. - matriculated, on 01/04/2009, -0/+3Terrible tutorial. The masthead of the magazine is traditionally on top because magazines are displayed cascaded on newsstands - the bottoms are usually covered by another magazine in front of it. Cover type is usually set at 24pt at minimum so you can see it at a distance. That said, the actual design of this magazine cover seems to have been thrown together at the last minute - at least use the rule of thirds to crop and place the photo. Why is the technique singled out just for a music magazine? Sorry to be so hard but I'm just tired of these lame design tutorials that don't even follow basic things that people show know from school.
- JerodSlay, on 01/04/2009, -2/+5you're it's
- tomprocter, on 01/04/2009, -0/+3It's good to see some attention being focused on InDesign. Too many people use Photoshop and Illustrator to prep print artwork, so tutorials like this will help to raise awareness of the power of InDesign. It is by far the most efficient solution.
- digitalpencil, on 01/04/2009, -0/+3Its really not.. i love all of Collis' tuts sites, they're an honestly great resource but this tut is *****.. I realize it's going over the basics but this should be done in inDesign and with a ***** load more finesse.. The font choices alone are attrocious.
- gdog05, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2Yes, Photoshop is for noobs. You can create some impressive art in Photoshop, but the skill of a real designer is to create the effect you want while keeping the native format in vector. Using Photoshop for artistic effects is almost always easier. Rarely is it the right option, though. Photoshop is used for adjusting photos, and it is excellent for doing so. Using it for creating art is usually laziness or lack of skill.
- polygons, on 01/04/2009, -3/+5Don't be so harsh its a basic tutorial. Although you are right, having the title in the middle of a page may not be the best place for it doesn't mean it can't be there.
Why not instead of putting down these other "graphic designers" you put out another tutorial that sets details on the do's and don'ts of a magazine cover. I'm always excited to see what the average person can do with design it's a different approach and to be able to explain to them why something works and why something doesn't would be a better solution than to put them down. You seem to lack the skill of critiquing. - xero69, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2Gotta do the cookin' by the book... yEEEAH
- MScrip, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2Remove girl DJ and turntable picture... and replace it with girl chef and mixing bowl picture.
- paulwind, on 01/04/2009, -2/+4All my years in art school have been a waste.
- jggube, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2I'm not talking about InDesign in general... I said _this_ particular InDesign Tutorial can be done in Illustrator or Photoshop without having to go and buy InDesign (I actually took the time to read the submission before commenting).
InDesign is great and has a lot of uses for professional print design - but the techniques discussed in THIS tutorial do not require InDesign. - cadmiumpaint, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2at that point your display type that you've altered has become an image and should be considered "art". Save it as an .eps or something and import it into your ID file. DUH
- ekula, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2hey it's the internet, say what you like.
i'm of the same opinion.
i also like to go to a club in my neighbouring county every weekend dressed as a woman - LtAction, on 01/04/2009, -0/+2Photoshop rasterizes everything and it is especially noticeable with type. Illustrator is a vector program, but to layout anything beyond a one page document, InDesign is really the only program set up to do something like that ;D
- cadmiumpaint, on 01/04/2009, -0/+1begrudgingly PDF? Its the default standard for sending files to press.
While Quark is going away, its still being used by a lot of places...you'd really be surprised. - cadmiumpaint, on 01/04/2009, -0/+1if you send any layout to press that was made in photoshop or illustrator you're a noob who prob didn't get paid a dime to do that job.
- xero69, on 01/04/2009, -0/+1Gee and here I've been using Microsoft Word and free clip art all this time
/s - solid12345, on 01/05/2009, -1/+2I can imagine the quirky look on all the 16 year-old punk Photoshop pirates "WTF is Indesign?"
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