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- Emaze, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34Did they change the Type-R logo? I need to know if I need to change the sticker on my Eclipse!
- deviouskoopa, on 10/12/2007, -4/+29The sticker adds at least 30 hp, btw.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Good point. Previous FF Type-R badged Honda's are well known for their horrible handling. /sarcasm
- skippyatuw, on 10/12/2007, -13/+33I have no idea why anyone would buy this when the VW GTI and the Subaru WRX are in the same price range.
- mattsidesinger, on 10/12/2007, -8/+28I put a Type R badge on my Ford Festiva and it makes it go at least 30 mph faster.
- mlkmnz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19@willynilly: "How long is that going to last?"
Well, its Japanese, so probably 20 years or more if maintained. You obviously know nothing of Type R Hondas, their performance and handling is legendary. It may never be a classic, but thats not the point of it. Sure, you could buy an American car with the same horsepower with an engine 3 times the size, but where's the fun in that? - rye419, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25so much ignorance toward honda in these threads. 1. a honda engine will out last on average most american cars and that is fact. japan has much more strict laws regarding engine durability and they have them precisely so that japanese cars will outlast non-japanese cars. 2. honda probably makes the best handling front wheel drive cars. that is a FACT. The civic si as quoted by car and driver "does the slalom faster than a dodge viper srt-10 and 1 mph slower than a corvette z06." so shut your traps people and know a few things before you open them.
- aidenuncle48, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Direct to pics...
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/honda-civic-type-r-sedan-jdm/ - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21zanthrax sounds like he's never driven a corvette or a viper. Trust me, they can "go around corners".
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19@drlha:
Considering that 95% of the "ricers" out there are teenage suburban white kids... I'm not seeing where "racism" comes into play. - deviouskoopa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19Do the coffee-can exhaust and 20 inch spoiler come standard equipped?
- Enjoikr3w, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Thats a good thing....
Now you know. - Eliminator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Mid-engine usually refers to the center of gravity of the engine between the axles. Rear-engine would put the center of gravity of the engine behind the rear axle.
- tokyopimp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18I really hope your 2007 runs the same as the day it was bought.
- XSforMe, on 10/12/2007, -8/+20Looks like a normal civic, victimized by a ricer. I'll never get why if folks want a muscle/sports car, they don't just get one? Or is it the double use of diving board/rear end spoiler what keeps them going?
- fober, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Looks like a 4-door RSX.
- brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14I'm not sure why you were dug down. I like Honda (I drive a 2004 Accord) but you are correct. A WRX has more power and AWD lets it put that power to the road rather than just burning up your front tires.
Also, it seems to me that 159 ftlb of torque is really low for a 225hp engine... - Invid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12SteelChicken: "the problem is that its torque that wins races. you can't *always* be at stratospheric RPM's to get any power of the motor. if its a very narrow powerband, you spend more time shifting then time with your foot on the floor."
There is nothing about low torque and narrow power band that is necessarily related. Honda in particular is one engine manufacturer that does high rev engines very well with relatively broad power delivery. My RX7 was much more "peaky" than my Accord was or my friend's RSX is.
As far as torque winning races...see F1 please. Those engines only produce ~150-170 ft-lbs of torque but still put out 850+bhp. Torque without revs is nothing. - jeffcityjon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@willynilly: "How long is that going to last?"
I own a 93 Prelude Type R that was imported from Japan. It puts out about 95hp per liter. That car has 189,xxx miles on it to date. It still runs like a top... - strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15Because Hondas are fast and furious!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12I used to have a 2000 DC5 type R and it handles just as good as my current 2004 M3. Most of these people who talk ***** about a type R have never driven one, truely ignorant imo. Americans idea of a sport car is so funny, put a big v8 in a heavy ass rwd body and you have yourself a sport car. I would pick that civic around a road course over any production mustangs.
- namezod, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15159 ft-lbs... HAHAHA
- mygen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Wow, the European version of the Type-R looks infinitely better...
http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/honda/civic/4079/1 - fcekuahd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12So it comes pre noodle-ized. Nice.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17shiftgood:
You're arguing with kids whose entire body of car knowledge comes from Gran Turismo. Don't waste your time. - Invid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Different strokes for different folks I guess... My RX7 was the most fun-to-drive car I ever owned, but it had low torque. Just forced you to use the shift knob a little more is all. If Honda ever made a RWD version of this car I would be all over it, they already make one of the nicest gearboxes available at any price.
- u8myfoood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@simpleid
Acura is the luxury devision of Honda, so really when you say you want an Acura you're technically wanting a Honda.
After all the Euro/Jap-Honda Accord is the same as the American TSX. - deus42, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14I viper can pull .94 G on a skidpad, and a vette pulls .97 G. Most hondas are below .8, and even an S2000 can't break .9!
That is pretty impressive, so I don't subscribe to the fact that a civic could outmaneuver a vette. - namezod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6FF - Front Engine Front Wheel Drive
FR - Front Engine Rear Wheel Drive
ect.
You get the idea. - KWhat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@zanthrax:
It is obvious you have never driven a WRX. - teaguehopkins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@simpleid (#5916195)
You do realize that Acura and Honda are the same company, right? - Enjoikr3w, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12They never have. Rice burners might come equipped tho :/
- dboy3587, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11what is RR? isnt that the same as MR
- simpleid, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9That car is very long and appears aesthetically awkward... why don't they see that and think "hmm, maybe it looks stupid?" The only 4 door cars I would ever buy today are made by BMW and Acura, no one else seems able to look at the design of the automobile and get it. Maybe it's just me, or you people like driving around hot dogs.
- mlkmnz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6That would explain why they take so much market share of the "awesome" American cars....
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Civic + races in the same sentence.
Clearly someone is criticising a vehicle for not doing something it's not designed to do.
Let me clarify: The Civic -- Si, Type-R, or anything, is not designed to win races. Period. Now if you slapped a comptech super on there, then we could talk. - brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love my Honda but...no they don't.
- undeuxtroiskid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@brufleth
The Civic makes horsepower by making revs rather than torque, something very popular with Honda engines, quite likely due to Honda's motorcycle heritige as well as their VTEC variable valve timing system. Horsepower is calculated by torque times RPM. Most engines are designed for torque production rather than horsepower so the numbers are normally similar. The engine in the Type-R is exotic in a sense, being that it can reach 8000 RPM which is extremely high for a car and even then, it's still producing 147 ft.lbs of torque. - djSyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As well as the CR-V.
- brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I also wish they'd release some of their all wheel drive versions of cars to North America. As far as I know, outside of the Pilot, the only all wheel drive car they have in NA is the high end Acura (TL or RL...I can never remember).
- Coven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4my 06 Civic gets around 30 combined, but I have a lead foot...
- GoatMonkey2112, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ask Rubens Barrichello how he likes his new Honda compared to his old ride...
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Skidpad G's don't tell the whole story. You can find plenty of examples of car a beating car b in a slalom even though it got beat by a hefty margin on a skidpad. The skidpad tests only a fraction of the factors that contribute to a 'good handling' car, while ignoring other ones like a car's ability to transition and max lateral G's while the front end is loaded (the skidpad tests max lateral G's while the rear is loaded, a far less natural situation since you typically wouldn't be giving throttle until after your starting to straighten out).
- strictnein, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Honda Element can be equipped with AWD.
- marinist, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5225 hp @ 8,000 and 159 lb-ft of torque @ 6,100 rpm
Which means you really have to spin the motor to get any useful power.
I'm sure it's a great engine, I just found my VTEC car hard to get into the torque band.
Why doesn't Honda design an engine with a lower torque band?
Contrast that to my current 1.8T (Audi) with peak torque (245 ft-lbs) @ 3200 rpm. - SteelChicken, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@invid
"As far as torque winning races...see F1 please. Those engines only produce ~150-170 ft-lbs of torque but still put out 850+bhp. Torque without revs is nothing."
yeah, comparing F1 cars to street cars makes alot of sense. Those F1 cars are almost ALWAYS in their max HP range...12,13,14K PLUS rpms! They dont have stop lights and other stuff to deal with. Apples and oranges. Over-revved small displacement Inline fours suck balls, period.
A car that doesn't make any power until its rev'd to some ungodly RPM is NOT fun to drive at all. Slapping a "R" sticker on it is just insult to injury. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Props to all of you who dugg down shift... aside from 4fw, FF IS the least desireable setup for a sport vehicle. Honda does however do an excellent job trying to get around that. The hard suspension and soft body give a responsive but still comfortable ride.
Second... a type R engine will not hold up for 20 years. They dont build it to, they build it for high compression and high revs. This is not a 8/16 valve engine with 9:1 compression ratio, it's a 32 valve engine with 11:1 compression. Even precise engineering cannot change the fact that iron and steel wont hold up to that, and honda isn't about to give you titanium connection rods in a stock motor.
Dont take this as a anti-honda statement. At least they will get you a high rev engine that puts out 225hp. You have to get a full size car from any american company before you get that kind of engine, and then its slow because it's too heavy.
What ever happend to a 450hp 2500lb 1969 gto? - bridow, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7im a hondafanboy, but i feel the R should only be on sports coupes.
- MontyPython, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I can see it now.... A bunch of stupid teenagers thinking that they are the '*****' for driving their stock Civic Type R cars.
- joper90, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3in the uk.. hondas always win any car survey (or are right at the top).. in fact the 'top gear' survey the s2000 has won the last three years..
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