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- YellowDucati, on 10/10/2007, -0/+40We need cool diesels in America!
- Ebacherville, on 10/10/2007, -2/+17We need diesels here now.. Honda push these things out ASAP..
The only diesels America has currently is big trucks and SUV's thats is no New VW diesels this year either... Diesels are way better than Gas for the enviroment... the black smoke you see on semi's is not bad it may look a that way but is not. Diesel is way more effiecient and less poluting.. A VW diesel car puts less ommisions out than an hybrid Toyota Prius.
Not to mention diesel engines usualy oulast any gas engine.. and biodiesel is renewable. - hifiDesign, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13Wouldn't exactly call that a "prototype" since they've been for sale for a year or two in Europe. This particular car has become a small obsession for me since I saw it on a 5th Gear (not Top Gear) clip. If Honda hadn't been holding out for so long, they would've made money hand over fist selling these bad boys. DO WANT.
http://paultan.org/archives/2005/07/26/2006-honda-civic/
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/29/honda-civic-3-door-type-s-for-europe/ - theworldisflat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12I'd love to see more diesel powered cars in the states. Here, when you mention diesel - most folks have the "clack clack clack" image of a big truck spewing black smoke unfortunately. Maybe the next few years will chance that perception as more Japanese/Euro imports trickle in that run clean and efficiently (like most of the rest of the world gets to enjoy).
- warsql, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8You are stuck in the 70's. As the owner of a Jetta diesel in northeast OH, I've never waited more than 2 seconds for the glow plugs to heat up.
- allaboutdatiki, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Honda won't pull a rabbit out of its hat, but we'll see the diesels across the range.
I'd bet that the CR-V will be one of the first to land here ...
http://www.digg.com/design/36_Miles_Per_Gallon_combined_in_a_4WD_SUV
The Civic will arrive in a similar timeframe ...
http://www.digg.com/business_finance/45_MPG_Honda_Civic_Diesel_photos - socomoddjob, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Gotta love glow plugs....
- jsully, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6People fail to understand that the old 70's and 80's Hondas and Toyotas were able to get 40+mpg because the cars weighed next to nothing. You've hit on it yourself - the CRX was lightweight ( though it never even approached 45 city 55 highway - you're smoking crack there)
Here's a secret: it's easy to get 50MPG out of a 1.2 or a 1.6 liter engine. The trouble (if you want to call it that) is that safety has become a major priority with automobile manufacturers. Find a sedan that weighs under 2,500lbs these days - you just can't move them with a 45MPG 1.2 Liter engine. - turbopro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7This should be good comp for the Jetta Diesel coming out next year.
- djcgmcse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6yes, we know VW has diesels. However he is referring to the new 2008 Jetta TDI that is supposed to be 50 state legal.
- crycry, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6What if they want a reliable automobile? I love my Golf TDI, but having your power window drop into your door on the highway after several other serious quality issues will make anyone wish for a car as bulletproof as a honda.
- Szandor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"It's been very reliable so far at 12K miles."
I would imagine that *any* car would be pretty reliable at 12K miles. - LaughingMan11, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The MPG figures are converted from the test cycles from other countries. Since automakers don't make these cars in the US market, the EPA does not test these diesel cars, and any MPG rating is approximate. For example, if you convert from the Japanese cycle, the Prius gets over 80 MPG in the city, even though it is rated at 48 MPG on the US's EPA cycle.
It is not a conspiracy why these cars don't show up in the US though : US air quality standards for smog forming emissions (NOx) are strict, and the technology to scrub NOx for diesels isn't as good as it is on gasoline burning cars. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5A Kenworth is a pretty cool diesel.
- tlogank, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Cool diesels in America? What's wrong with the turbo diesel Golf, Passat's, and Jetta's we have here? I have a 2002 Jetta Diesel and I love it. Average 48mpg!
- theworldisflat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5No need for diesel? Hardly. Cars won't get lighter due to demand for more and more gadgets and luxuries. If everyone stuck to a light-weight plan, Lotus would rule the earth. A diesel engine is not only more robust, but it's easier to produce, has fewer components, not nearly as complex and will last damn near forever. That, and the nice torque increase makes around-town driving a breeze even if weight continues to increase.
- brufleth, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Diesel is a more efficient internal combustion process but it also creates more carcinogens. This can be seen with big trucks as that black smoke. Many newer and smaller diesels increase the pressure they run at to break that black ***** down but all that does is make the carbon chains shorter and potentially worse for your lungs.
Japan has had emissions regulations stricter than the US which is why they were all about high efficiency standard petrol cars and hybrids. Europe allows higher particulate emissions than the US (and Japan) and so diesels have been more popular there.
Its all about regulations. - yabos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4We used to have a diesel Jetta here where it gets to -30 C and it started fine with the glow plugs.
- pryomoax, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5It still baffles me as to why has diesel take so long to become popular here?! Anyone seen the amusing review of the Toyota Prius on Top Gear - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdBVwwRgThU - Jeremy Clarkson reveals the VW Lupo Diesel got a 75MPG compared to that of the Prius' 45MPG on the same route. 75MPG com'on America!
- SergeiGolos, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6VW has had diesel for a long time..
- AlexanderBlue, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3As much as I like the TDI engine, VW reliability really went into the toilet earlier this decade (check out Consumer Reports, or talk to your friends that have VWs). I don't know if it's gotten better yet, but that's frankly my wife and I don't own a VW because of the quality issues. Some of our close friends have a Passat that has had repeated failures of fuel injectors, engine sensors, and more. It's left him stranded a couple of times, and they've been looking into forcing VW buy it back under our states Lemon Law. If they have improved remarkably in the last two years, somebody please enlighten me.
- OnymousHero, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Nah, 18 is pretty pleasant! When it hits -15 to -20 .. now that is trickle charger time...
- Ju1c3, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8no need for diesel... i mean Honda was getting 45mpg city and 55mpg highway on pump gas back in 89 with the crx hf. in 87 they had the crx.. same numbers, with plastic body panels(ie no rust). in 95 they had the civic vx that had similar numbers. people need to realize that Honda has been doing this for a long time.
Honda for life. - bassfanatik, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I've been living in Europe for a few weeks now, and they have diesel versions of everything! I don't know why America can't do this..
- fugeelama, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I'd buy this in a heartbeat, but the rumored $32K sticker price is a major turnoff.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6The MPG figures are wrong; it's >60 highway and >40 city.
These things are way better than hybrids, although there appears to be a MYSTERIOUS CONSPIRACY to downplay the fact and present misleading figures for both. - Dokument, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2i live in alabama, if it ever got down to 18 and "snowed" then the whole state shuts down. not joking. mainly because it doesnt "snow" its like slush that freezes into ***** ice. i wish we got snow like up in the north, that would be nice. i havent seen snow here for over 5 years
- justinx0r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Mercedes has some decent diesels.
- cyclopropene, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"having your power window drop into your door on the highway..."
Ahh, those wonderful VW window regulator clips... Mine went two weeks before the extended warranty (6 years/unlimited miles) expired. Fortunately it was summer. - skyshock1, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6So it finally gets the same MPG rating that the VW Rabbit had in 1986? And we're supposed to be excited about this?? Let me know when someone invents an emmissions-FREE vehicle that only costs $10 for 500 Km. Until then, this is pretty uneventful.
- MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think he meant the hybrid version, which the EPA lists as 36/31.
- 80hd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2VW gave up on diesel for a while bc California has very strict air quality control that made it impossible to get diesel past their tests. Not being able to sell California means it's basically not worthwhile to bother with any part of the country so VW went to the drawing board for a bit...
- Gongjimein, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I hope this comes to the US. It's already has been building hype overseas in the UK
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_0nIfSIAenE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JSTH9F9PReg - Apoc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Why aren't current diesel Jettas legal in all 50 states?
- jsully, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3My first car was an 87 Golf, and while it got 30MPG it did it on a 1.8L 112 HP inline 4 that put out MAYBE 90 ft/lbs of torque. The answer to your question is yes - we are supposed to be excited when a company says their putting out an engine that gets better mileage than that - and promises nearly three times the amount of torque.
- inurb, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Can't wait for a diesel ridgeline running on biodiesel!
- jimbo21, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Actually, you're very wrong. First, if Honda could sell diesels here, they would.
The Toyota Prius is among the cleanest production cars on the planet, with a better than SULEV emissions rating (Super Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle). There are no diesel engines in production that can meet this emissions standard, mainly because of Nitrous Oxide and Particulate emissions (smoke). NOx is a key component of smog and is also a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 per gram. The US (California, in particular) has the strictest air pollution standards in the world for automobiles, hence the slow adoption of diesel in passenger vehicles. As Diesel emissions technology evolves, you may begin to see more passenger Diesels on the road here. As the EPA continues to tighten the standards, it makes it more difficult and expensive for automakers to sell qualifying Diesels in America, which explains why you don't see as many new vehciles with Diesels in the 2008 model year.
While it is true the Diesel combustion cycle is slightly more efficient than the Otto cycle used in traditional gasoline engines, the main mileage benefits are because Diesel fuel contains more heat per gallon than gasoline. Burning 1 gallon of Diesel gives the same power (and combustion byproducts) as 1.13 gallons of gasoline.
http://www.nafa.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Resource_Center/Alternative_Fuels/Energy_Equivalents/Energy_Equivalents.htm - theworldisflat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2No, they aren't. Aside from Mercedes and new-to-stateside TDI VW's, diesel cars are few and far between. We had very little in the way of light truck diesels also, toyota only did their factory import of diesels (hilux outside the US) for like 2 years, nissan/mitsu also had a short run.
- djcgmcse, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4I love how people talk about how their tin can from 15 years ago go the insane gas mileage. Apparantly safety, features, performance, and stability mean nothing to them. Keep driving your 1500 LB tin can if you like..
- brufleth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Bumpers, airbags, etc weigh a lot.
- AlexanderBlue, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Agreed. Between modern diesel fuel and engines, winters (even those in MN) are not the issue they once were.
- tmspecial, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Unfortunately VW's with diesel engines are not offered in California.
- beaker9, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I live in the UK and I've had a 2.2l Diesel Civic for 18 months now. diesels used to have a bad reputation for being noisy and slow. I get 50+ MPG, it's quiet and it does 0 to 60 mph in 8 seconds! Beter than a Prius anyday!
- brufleth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2To support your point Lotus has to file for special exceptions to sell their cars in the US because they don't meet bumper requirements. Their cars are awesome (some day maybe I'll be lucky enough to drive an Elise) but they are by no means the safest cars on the road.
- cheddarlump, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Not really, z-rated tires are built extremely well, and have a low rolling resistance... That, and the cost differential between z-rated and h/r rated has dropped significantly in the last few years.
- MacEnvy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think you'd change your tune after seeing Alabamians trying to drive in the snow. Remember what happened in Atlanta and N.C. a couple years ago?
- LaughingMan11, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Diesels, even the cleanest of the next batch of them that will come out for the 2008 model year, still put out more NOx, which forms smog, than a similarly sized gasoline burning car.
Diesels will burn less fuel per mile, and put out less CO2 than a non-hybrid gasoline burning car, this is true, but Diesels still have a long way to go to reduce NOx emissions. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2They just recently changed the standards. They now test with wind drag as a factor.
- Szandor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Bah. Peterbilt, baby!
- brufleth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2My car was rated at 34 mpg highway. Low and behold I get 32-36 mpg highway. Honda takes fuel economy very seriously. They always have. They even took it serious in the mid to late nineties when nobody else cared (including consumers).
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