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Form field hints with CSS and JavaScript (Ask the CSS Guy)

askthecssguy.com — "It's a basic example of how helpful a little JavaScript and CSS can be in a form. Instead of the input hints always showing and potentionally cluttering a very simple form, only the hint for the currently focused input will show. This article will show a way to do this"

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62 Comments

alantocheri, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33I don't know.. let's see. grab your computer, shove it in the blender. Turn it on the milkshake cycle for 20 min.

Now never come back on the internet again.
Hemingrubbish, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28christ that's old
foamcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20Does your computer have cogs?
ringo380, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20It's interesting how everybody diggs each and every article that has "CSS" in the title, regardless of quality, as if they're building some gigantic compendium of web design knowledge that they may someday call upon to create a web design start-up company and become insanely rich just by copying and pasting bits of code from the huge list of pages they've bookmarked.

Incidentally, this is actually a pretty interesting tip page. Unlike the CSS article that currently has 800+ diggs in the "Top Stories" section.
xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I think this could be possible in CSS only with the :focus pseudo selector. In all but IE of course.
Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11You don't know what you're talking about, TexanPsycho. Everyone knows that caps lock is cruise control for awesome.
albybum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8In your example for the div, you put display:none as part of an inline style and tried to change it from a embedded style rule. The inline will always overwrite.

Try this: http://www.albybum.net/temp/adjacent_elements.htm
xutopia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sorry for replying to my own pompous comment. I tried making an example using the adjacent selector as documented here: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/selector.html#adjacent-selectors

The result of my tests are that you cannot change display(noneblock) of elements but some css properties do work:

http://www.xutopia.com/downloads/adjacent_elements.html

This means that for now we have to use Javascript to get the effect mentionned in the article. It's good to know however that CSS does have something that could be implemented in future releases of browsers.
TexanPsycho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11And it's "But will it blend?". Remember, capital letters for names and the beginning of sentences.
resplence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6This is not an alternative solution to assure validity, but simply another step towards it. It doesn't conflict with anything else; it only adds and makes the process even more clear, simple and easy to the final user, its machine and your server.
changyang1230, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9People who think that a terribly old joke is still funny need to blend themselves.
amnesiac096, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You still need to add a validation function of some sort, this is just showing you how you can affectively show/tell/help people filling out your form.
amnesiac096, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5it slows it down by what? .000002 seconds? big woop
foamcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I disagree that this is a 'mystery meat' case for the following reasons:
The help 'popups' aren't detrimental to the experience and they don't force a restriction or limitation on the user in any way.
"Mystery meat navigation" is, by it's nature of being navigation, essential to a site. If the navigation function is obscured then it effects usability. The help popups, on the other hand, are supplementary, they aren't essential, they are an addition. So long as it's obvious that 'you mouse over this to see some help' then they don't reduce the usability. It's the 'not knowing' of 'mystery meat navigation' that makes it a usability problem. The opposite applies here, there is no mystery. Actually, perhaps an improvement would be a way to turn the popups off?
The popups don't have to be intrusive. I'm guessing you find them intrusive because of the particular execution in this case which, I'll agree, isn't the best it could be but it's certainly not bad.
There may be an accessibility issue because of the level of cognitive reasoning required to associate the input element and the help tip. But that's being pretty harsh. You'd be catering for severe accessibility needs if this was a problem.
resplence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Guilty :(
nutcase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3issues:
overlaps fields with large text size
uses a quasi absolute positioning method, and js only deals with the display, a more flexible solution would have js do the positioning, so as to reduce the css file text, ease manageability, and deal with the keeping the tip on screen always.

it would make more sense (to prevent horizontal scrolling) to show the little help thingy above the field rather than to the side.

also, just like most other examples, if you are dealing with a lot of form fields and a mix of form elements (checkboxes next to inputs, etc...), implementing a help system like this can get frustrating. I suggest that this type of mini help just be integrated (above or beside) near the element, and always be displayed, then use this kind of pop-up tips for contextual validation messages.
inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2interesting theory ringo380. The same is true, i think, for photoshop articles.

case in point, can we really ever remember 50 bagillion tips and tricks anyways??

http://www.digg.com/design/Top_26_Photoshop_Tricks_You_Can_t_Live_Without
GGreen420, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2this should be used along with your client and server validation, not instead of. its an real effective way to give your users some direction towards what data is expected without "cluttering a very simple form".

Still, regardless of what kind of client side JS validation is going on, you should be validating at the server level. A client who disables JS could be disabling your dababase integrity along with it...
standsolid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This "'mystery meat' navigation" has labels for each of the text fields to the left that are always available. It's not like each text box is an unlabeled blank white box you have to select to see what you need to fill in.

As for intrusive, this css/javascript doesn't interfere with the user's goal of signing up for a service. If anything it may *distract* the user from their task -- but this is just a compact presentation of a hand-holder and is more likely to reduce the amount of invalid fields and users spend less time refilling information.

As for an understanding of usability, I'm not sure of your credentials on the mater -- buuuut I'm pretty positive you're just a douchebag. I'm not an expert so I won't say if this is usable or not, but I appreciate clear guidelines when filling out a web form so I don't get sent back to try again.
foamcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I understand what you are getting at but my point still stands.
The number of characters isn't supplemental as such but equally, the information isn't concealed is it?
Perhaps the term "mystery meat navigation" was the wrong one to use. It would imply that the information is obfuscated in some way and in this case it clearly isn't. Now if there was some arcane procedure needed to invoke the the help system I would agree it could be termed "mystery meat". However the help info is activated via normal form use, and although I've not tested it I will bet that the script degrades neatly in the event of javascript being unavailable.

Whilst I would agree that popups in the 'traditional' sense of the word, and animation can be intrusive I don't feel that these are. There is precious little animation and they don't pop up in the sense that they obscure functionality or grab the focus from the form.
diznang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree that's puzzling. Both Vox and this form do that. At first I thought it had to do with the fact that it was display:inline versus display:block on the span element, but after changing that, it doesn't seem to be related to that fact.

For what it's worth, if you remove position:relative from the dl and attach it to the dd, everything works the same, with the only variation being the horizontal positioning (vertical positioning stays the same.
bkemper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It seems like it should be the dd that is positioned, not the dl. With the hint span being positioned relative to the dl, how come these don't all have the same Y coordinates? I would have expected all the tops to line up, if their absolute positioning is all relative to the same closest positioned ancestor (the DL). It looks like the Y coordinates are still relative to their immediate parent, but the X coordinates are relative to the DL. What am I missing?
batasrki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think that this is would replace validation of any kind. More like a user-friendlier approach.
BobTurtle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The help popups, on the other hand, are supplementary, they aren't essential"
How is the the number of required characters for an input field supplemental? Also, defending intrusiveness by saying its "not that bad, so it must be OK" (note I'm paraphrasing your use of "harsh") is weak, especially in light of overwhelming evidence that animation and pop-ups have been proven to be intrusive (see any research by Wendy Moe or Ping Zhang).

You make an excellent point about associating the pop-up with the active field, especially since it supports my argument that this type of form functionality sucks.
devfeed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dugg. I've always liked posts like that. Dugg. http://gardentag.blogspot.com
Ruhtar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In all but IE and Safari. If it were only IE, one could easily add a Conditional Comment to include the necessary/minimal Javascript needed for IE but that won't work for Safari.
brownspank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not only does it trigger on focus, but also on hover, so it's kinda messy.
reynan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can do this only with CSS. Check out wufoo forms example >>> http://wufoo.com/examples/
eTronicGaming, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It does work in FF, remember it only works for those last two fields in his example.
stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm surprised he can reply using punch cards!
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rscherf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Demo doesn't even work in FF. If you are going to steal an idea from somebody, at least make it work (like the original does). Buried.
HarrisonFire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0BobTurtle is obviously Vincent Flanders' alias.
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JennyMclane, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0this is pr6 because the topic is great...
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