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- lego, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Nice screenshot.
- hriwo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3might isn't news...
- misterpony, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Chrome"? No digg for using nonsensical terms.
Are you being sarcastic? Chrome is the term used to describe the general look of Firefox. Look at your C:Program FilesMozilla Firefox (if you use FF) and see the Chrome folder. And look here: http://www.vorstrasse91.com/moztips/mozillajargon.html - misterpony, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Tabs are a fixed width"
I don't think I like that... - SpeedyG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3""Tabs are a fixed width"
I don't think I like that..."
Seconded. Considering that my tabs start shrinking after opening just five, I don't like this at all. - kkaabboomm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i dont like the idea of moving the home button to the bookmarks toolbar - if so, they must have a way to move it back, as i do not use a bookmarks toolbar ever, but use my home button alot.
i haven't used the go button, ever, in fact ive removed it completely and have since like .8, however, making the stop button a go button/stop button wouldnt be horrible.
i love the x's on each individual tab, isnt this on ie7?
dont like fix tab sizes, because what if you have like 15 tabs? they must be able to dynamically change and shrink, but not grow too big. right now they are a fixed size until you have too many to fix w/the width of your browser, and then they shrink dynamically. i like this system, dont ruin it please.
reload button into the url bar? that's too much clutter in the address bar. keep the address bar for the address, and then keep the browser buttons in the browser button section (back, forward, stop, home, etc). or at least let the user chose where to put it, dont lock it in to the address bar if the move is going to happen...
i like the hidden status bar by default, obviously with such like forecastfox it would reappear. maybe they should move the find bar into the bottom status bar instead of popping up a second bottom bar? hit f3, the find box appears in the status bar, with an x by it to close the find box. - strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"The Go button
becomes a stateful button that is either "Go" or "Stop"; if a page
is not loading, or if a user is typing in a URL, the button is "Go".
If a page is loading and a user is not typing in a URL, the button
is "Stop"."
Bad move. "Go" and "reload" are not mutually exclusive functions; I frequently enter and load URLs while a page is being loaded. Why not just enable the behavior with the mutually exclusive "stop" and "reload?" Safari does it that way, and it works flawlessly. - fluffyturtle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You should have said: "Firefox 2 on the mac might have a new User Interface"
Then in the description note that the same is true for the pc version. You would get well over 1000 diggs just by throwing the word "mac" in there. - pupa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2BAD link.
This is correct:
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.apps.firefox/browse_thread/thread/85a8c60c5b9a3f93/c4d7088e08d3dfcc?hl=en&fwc=1 - odysseus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What Firefox looks like with no pulldowns, no throbber, and a combined stop/reload button:
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6058/fxnopulldowns7uu.png - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wow, I didn't know Firefox was going ASCII for Firefox 2...
- Cojawfee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Copy it into Notepad, it makes so much more sense.
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ff27gm.gif - mzhao, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The whole pull-down-menu concept is going away in Vista, Office, and many other upcoming apps."
Unfortunately. - JW00000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Or click "fixed font" in the right up corner...
- uptown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ah, whatever they build, someone will write an addon to "unbuild" it back to a 1.5 look-and-feel.
- odysseus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Personally, I hope they remove the whole File Edit View row. Let it slide into view when you hold ALT, like IE7. The whole pull-down-menu concept is going away in Vista, Office, and many other upcoming apps. Thankfully.
You can get rid of the pullmenus now with this extension:
http://menueditor.mozdev.org/ - Mike89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Holy *****!
I didnt even know my browser *had* a "Go" menu item with a history! - xmuskrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I sure hope they re-enable the stop button after loading. Cause it should stop at the very least bgsound and embeds.
- infectbda, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm using the newest hourly branch build, and I really don't like the close tab buttons on each tab. I'm just so used to them not being their. And this seems to also break themes. As for the same size tabs, they still size down if you have more tabs then room in the window, so it's not that big of a deal.
- beltzner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2strcmp: I don't quite know how you get from "Go"/"Stop" to "Go"/"Reload". Please re-read, and then read the thread where it's discussed at length.
Also, fwiw, "chrome" isn't a term that's reserved only to Mozilla/Firefox apps. It's pretty common software-speak for "the set of UI widgets that present the capability to the user." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UI_Chrome - keng, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3it's not non-sensical if you get into FF much at all.
- Aeiri, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Alright, here's my beef.... I use a widescreen laptop to maximize my screen usage. The only problem I have with Firefox is the damn "File Edit View" etc menus. I only use one or two of those. I wish to remove select menus off my menubar.
I have my back, forward, refresh, stop, location bar, search bar, and menu bars all on the same row. It takes up too much space on two. With a widescreen laptop, I want my location bar to be wider, not the same size as a normal width would be because of my "File Edit View" etc menus that I DON'T USE EVER up there. - TheBaron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just choose "Fixed font" (top right of the page) to see the ASCII properly.
- exick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't like the idea of Close Tab buttons on each tab like Camino or Safari unless I have the ability to turn them off. I hate accidentally closing tabs and I do that all the time when I use those other two browsers. In Firefox, I can close a tab with middle-click, which is how I prefer it. Just make the close buttons toggleable and we'll be cool.
"Nice screenshot."
It's a newsgroup posting. You aren't going to get inline images. - sirplus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i must chime in and say i absolutely agree with that. the more customizable, the better, always. no two users are alike, so the greatest UI challenge is to anticipate and allow for customizing by individual users.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1With an ASCII mockup .. how can they lose!
/groan - looklikecontest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This looks exactly like Opera to me.
mtsix said:
"Implemented by Opera[...]
Implemented by Opera[...]
Implemented by Opera[...]
Not implemented by Opera because Opera doesn't have a personal bookmark toolbar."
Opera does have a personal bookmark toolbar. Atleast mine does. And bookmarking something is as easy as dragging the tab to that toolbar. Whether it's your last search or your homepage. So every single one of these new FF features are in one way or another already implemented in Opera. - astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Need to leave the gui well enough alone and just worry about changing whats under the hood. - Heavy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Noooooooo Something FOSS don't do right is these "special interfaces".. ex Blender (unusable),GIMP
- xxsiriusxburnxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I dont care what it looks like as long as it doesn't look like that terrible ASCII rendition.
- LoungeActx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0as long as they don't make it look anywhere near IE7...because man...that browser is just balls out ugly. Although I do like the text rendering on it.
- Recluse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0They better make it optional to remove or keep those UI features "that aren't useful to the MAJORITY of users".
- sn0wflake, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Worst design changes ever. Here's my opinion why;
(1) The reload button [^v] moves to be inside the URL bar so that it is
directly related with page which will be affected by it
Hate the idea of having to look closely where I put the cursor.
(2) The "Go" menu is renamed "History" as per the Places UI Design, and
the contents will focus on navigating a user's session history
Good idea. The title Go makes no sense.
(3) The RSS [.)] and Go [=>] buttons move inside the URL bar, again to
emphasize their direct relationship with the page. The Go button
becomes a stateful button that is either "Go" or "Stop"; if a page
is not loading, or if a user is typing in a URL, the button is "Go".
If a page is loading and a user is not typing in a URL, the button
is "Stop". The lock icon (not shown) and URL drop-down control (v)
would continue to be rendered as they currently exist.
Hate the idea of text changing in my URL bar.
(4) The search engine selection drop-down button [.O] moves to the
right and takes on a more button-like appearance with a general
"search" icon (like a magnifying glass). The search plugin icon
will appear in the search text field alongside text provided by
the plugin (ie: [G] Search with Google); this text & icon may be
rendered semi-transparent to make it lighter.
Fine by me as long as it doesn't take up too much space.
(5) The throbber will become the progress indicator as well as the
progress meter, with a pie chart in the center filling up to
indicate overall page load progress
Good idea. I like that.
(6) The bookmark search button (.o) is on the personal bookmark toolbar
Whatever. The personal bookmark toolbar is one of the first things I hide anyway so I'm not going to see it anyway.
(7) The Home button (&) moves to the personal bookmark toolbar
Uhmmm, like I said before, the personal bookmark toolbar is one of the first things I hide so how am I going to click the Home button now? Super bad idea.
(8) Closebuttons appear on the active tab only in order to achieve the
best combination of having closebuttons appear where users expect &
preserving as much area as possible on background tabs for selection
and display of tab names.
Stupid idea. Hate the idea of having to look closely where I put the cursor.
(9) Tabs are a fixed width
Bad idea unless your monitor resolution is something like below 1600x1200 pixels. Pretty stupid.
(10) The status bar is hidden by default, and the page resizer is in the
bottom right corner underneath the scrollbar.
I want my status bar permanently visible, god dammit!
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My conclusion is that the new Firefox theme will take up much more space, thus leaving less space available for actually displaying web content. Bad idea.
Now I have to watch closely where I put my cursor on tabs.
My Firefox setup is;
1) Status bar visible (I want to see where the link is pointing to)
2) Personal bookmark toolbar hidden. Don't use it and hiding it leaves more space for webpage content.
3) Small icons. Again more space.
This new design is the worst idea of the century. Hope they drop and bury most of the ideas. - RandomWhim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0In other news:
Lottery ticket purchasers might win 1 Billion Dollars!!!
WOW! +++++DIGG! - sirplus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0excellent work. thanks for posting that, and sharing the mock up version. firefox is outstanding, and these updates make a lot of sense. man, tough audience! geeks. look, my mom is gonna like this better, so's my 5 year old nephew. the web doesn't belong to geeks it belongs to everyone. so any improvement to the user experience is good for my mom! sheesh. any good programmer knows it's the end user that determines the value of your brilliant code. i commend mozilla for creating free software that serves a real need. yikes, how long ago was it that IE was the best game in town? eek.
- joeyjojo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"friggen ASCII art for a redesign? Are they serious?"
It's called wireframing. ASCII may not be the best, but works well for an EMAIL NEWS LIST.
I do hope they consider putting the font resizing icons on the bar by default. - chess007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
I'll be happy if they can fix the memroy leak. That's my only issue with it right now. If Firefox is running for 2 hours or more, it gets very slow, and is likely to freeze.
That's my only issue with Firefox, but it is a major problem.
And yes I have tried the 'fixes." They made it a little better but the problem is still there.
K-meleon is the fastest browser. :) And its stable. Although, you don't hear much about it. - jmonty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bwwaaahh hahhhahahahaaa.... friggen ASCII art for a redesign? Are they serious?
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why do people put the nav buttons on the left side? Are you left-handed? For right-handed people, the nav buttons and bookmark bar are much easier to operate quickly from the right side. You have all the buttons and the scroll bar and max-min buttons all on one side that way.
Related to this, I think putting buttons on the right side of windows was one thing MS improved upon over Mac OS -- except once again for left-handed people who I'm sure like it. But then MS went and screwed up the consistency Windows had by putting the nav buttons on the left side in IE7. Now it looks like some people want the same in Firefox?
What Firefox should continue to have is a customizable interface, and make it as flexible as possible. Maybe allow multiple interface setups for different users or activities to be saved. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FX2 might look more like IE7 it seems.
- Tobey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Crazy newsgroup people and their ASCII drawings.
I need graphics man! Graphics!! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What's with the ASCII mockup? Too cheap to just make an image and just host it?
- gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OMG, you mean the next major version number update might have a new interface??? NEVER!
no digg. - jholdaway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0as long as they have a css built in for RSS files. (Like Safari and IE7) they were the first out with RSS but missed the next vital step.
- cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm not exactly sure what they need to remove. The interface is very basic. Back, Forward, reload, stop, home, and an address bar. I can see removing the GO button but it's very small..
I use the quick-bookmarks bar, I put all my most commonly used sites there. It's nice that it puts the icons up next to the web sites. Tabs are pretty simple; meaning, there's nothing to them. I like the "new tab" button you get with the tabbrowser preferences add-in.
Making it any more basic would be pretty silly in my eyes. If they want to try rearranging things I'm all for checking it out, but I dunno. I can see moving around the menu items and/or changing the options menu- these things you don't use very often so who really cares.
They could do with fixing the customize toolbar "editor" though, it's sorta a pain in the ass to use and get the results you want.
The good thing is, if 2.0 interface sucks, I don't have to use it. Good old competition. - Rice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm pretty sure Apple is going to hold on to menus... I mean, think about that top bar without words on it. o_0
- artnez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0When will they learn...
The real power of a good UI is that you can customize the hell out of it. Make it so that I can change it in as many ways as possible and as easily as possible and I'll be happy as a clam :) - the1casey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't see the point of moving stuff around at all, seeing as users can manipulate the entire top area to their liking right now anyway. My top bars look completely different than anybody elses, I'm sure, and if they make these changes, I'll just change them back anyway.
- Portfolioso, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I like Firefox's GUI. It doesn't really need to be changed. They can add all the 2.0 functionality keeping the GUI similar.
If they do change it, it's just a matter of getting used to it. the 1.5 options were a little weird because I liked 1.0, but now I'm use to them. I'm sure it won't suck because it's Mozilla.
Mozilla typically listens to users' requests. When 1.5 was in beta, there were no custom javascript blocking options (resize/move windows etc). Instead there was one option: "remove annoying scripts." This wasn't clear and lots of people rejected it, so Mozilla left the 1.0 option the same in 1.5 - kourge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's not that Firefox 2 _might_ have a new UI, it *will* have a new UI.
What a misleading title. -
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