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- N3wtR0ckn13, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"done, that's it!" No, wrong...films are f*cking hard to make. It's not as simple as putting together a list. home movies of vacations is another story.
- Skanadian, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6You can make movies with Web 2.0 now? Now I'm even more confused.
- euphemizeme, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Web 2.0? Really?
Can somebody please name a website that isn't touted as Web 2.0? I'd like to marry it. - mediaphile, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You should only feel stupid if you're not actively using that equipment to its fullest potential. I've worked on short films shot in three days that cost that much, and I've worked on films shot in two weeks that cost way less. It just depends on what the scripts demand. If you're actively working towards recouperating that cost, then it's not a waste, but an investment.
That is unless you were just being sarcastic and boasting about how you can afford $20k worth of equipment, in which case you're just a dick, and as a student who can't even come close to affording that kind of gear, I extend to you my deepest wishes that you die and go to hell. - Aurra, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5A Web 2.0 movie will take input from anyone who wants to contribute but won't make any money. At least it will be shiny and reflective...
- bradbaxter, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I know that the mention of the HVX200 wasn't the main thrust of this article, but readers need to be made aware that any company offering the HVX200 in the $3000 price range is either selling you a load of crap or a black/grey market camera (with no warranty, etc.).
I own the HVX200 and did a lot of research before buying it. And yes, a lot of my research was in regard to who I should buy from. The answer? Only an authorized Panasonic dealer. (And THEY can't even get the cameras for $3000.)
And don't forget, once you buy the camera -- to really take advantage of its HD abilities, you also have to buy P2 cards (records to solid state memory, not tape). These are around $1000 (or more) per card.
It is a great camera, but don't make a $3000 mistake. Go to http://www.dvxuser.com to learn more. - JavertHolmes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I'd settle for movies at sites like YouTube that employed any form of editing whatsoever. No fancy music, no expensive plugins or text needed, just simple editing!
Things to edit out:
1) Taking 30 seconds to ponder your next thought
2) Setting up your camera to point at your face for 3 minutes at the top of a video
3) Pointing your computer at your monitor to show something and, if merciful, adjusting the brightness level
4) On-screen text without any dramatic purpose -- text for the sake of text
If people did this, YouTube's storage needs would probably be cut in half. - t86y, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4What websites can you get an HVX 200 that are for $3000?
And I am not talking some shady ebay crap... - aelder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Uh yeah I was going to comment about that. I've never seen one under $4k.
Sure, you can *buy* one for $3,000, but actually getting the camera for $3,000 is a different story. - mediaphile, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2As far as I can tell from browsing the internets, iMovie '08 supports DVCPRO ProHD.
- misterjangles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2here ya go... http://www.webhamster.com/
let us know when the wedding date is - seinman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I concur. The general rule of thumb in the prosumer video market is, "if it's cheaper than B&H, it's a scam."
- fkuall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2...and sans-serif
- kingkool68, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Great list of moviemaking resources. I really want to try out these on demand DVD Dupliation services. What a great idea!
- mediaphile, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If you're planning on making a film with a short filming time, say a few days, you're probably better off just renting one from a rental house, if there are any in your area. I know a lot of people that waste money buying cameras like these when they only really use it seriously for a limited amount of time. Besides, until the market picks a side on the battle between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD (despite current sales, the jury is still out on which will prevail in the long run) and the general public becomes saturated with players capable of displaying said DVD formats, HD video cameras are a little premature for budding filmmakers. Grab a DVX for half the price, and spend the money on lighting equipment, which is where the look of a movie really stems from.
- JoshCatone, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Just for the record, I went to film school (I'm the author). Obviously films are not made by software, but by artists who use the software. But score one for you for taking that tongue-in-cheek conclusion a bit too seriously. ;)
- mediaphile, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ah, yes, I see where I misunderstood your sentiment.
B&H is great, and Calumet is pretty good as well. I did take a chance when I bought my Sekonic light meter by buying it new on eBay, but it was from a seemingly reputable dealer in Hong Kong, and everything worked out fine. I guess the key is, do your research. - mediaphile, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1http://mediaphile.synthdriven.com/images/kitten.jpg ?
- ThinkBox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Where'd you go?
- redwookie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1i know i do think of them all the time.
web 2.0 - mediaphile, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Grey markey can be pretty dicey. I don't recommend it for big ticket items like a $5k camera. Maybe for something that's a couple hundred dollars, but for a piece of pro equipment, you're just asking for trouble. Besides, with something that expensive, you're going to want a full warranty.
- ThinkBox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Its called Grey Market. I have been buying camera gear for years.
In Short:
They buy overseas and give you their own warranty and say it s a US MANUFACTURING WARRANTY, but it isnt. And also, unless you buy a bunch of add ons and extras, they dont ship it. they just tell you it is backordered and they have problems with the shipping... until you cancel the order, or buy other stuff too. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Can you just drop the .mfx files in off the P2 card? That would be sweet.
- michaelGregoire, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1There is no web 2.0... it's just a nifty catch-phrase to grab the attention of the many trend-following sheep.
- ThinkBox, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I never recommend it.
I guess the first line sounds very deceiving. I have run into it a lot in places that seem very legit, but are in fact false.
B&H Photo Video is where you should buy stuff. They are a real store, been around for over 50 years (also a good website) - JoshCatone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ithaca College in New York (I didn't get into NYU ;)).
- zioxide, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2haha.. if it was only that easy.
btw, why does the article suggest a Panasonic HVX 200 but then suggests using software like iMovie or FreeDV? I know for a fact iMovie doesn't support DVCPRO HD (never used freedv). You'll need FCP if you're shooting with an HVX 200 (which start at $5000 w/o accessories, not $3000 like the article says). - candafilm, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Now I feel stupid for buying $20,000 worth of video equipment.
- VenezuelanD, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Seriously iMovie though? I mean you can't even edit sound on that thing, can't control fades or crossfades (Can you even crossfade on 08?). Buyin an HVX200 and then using iMovie to edit is the equivalent of buying a Ferrari, taking out the engine, putting a pinto engine in, slashing the tires and then driving it.
It is at least an 8k investment if you want any sort of remotely decent HVX set up (at least 1 p2 card, and a good tripod) I agree with one of the earlier posters...RENT, get jobs, then rent some more. rent rent rent, then when you're so busy the rental house you work with calls to check in on you if you haven't called in 2 days, start THINKING about buying.
For a new filmmaker who is just learning the works I wouldn't reccomend an HD or HDV camera, I'd recomend the tried and true VX2000 or its prosumer brother the PD-150/170. Hell even a GL-2 would be a great first camera. - sykopath79, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Every time someone says "Web 2.0," God kills a kitten.
Please, think of the kittens. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Enough of this web 2.0 crap. I went straight to the source: www.web20.com. Even there is says "coming soon". Web 2.0 hasnt been released yet! Buried as inaccurate. Bury anything that says 2.0 until it's released, damnit!
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1i cant think of who.... but a famous filmmaker just put a cd online for free.
http://www.extlabs.com/yourinfamousharp
i want to call it 'web 2.0', but upon hearing that buzzword i am consumed with a tormenting blend of confusion and rage. - JazLive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Have you uploaded any of your work on U Tube or Current TV?
- JazLive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Here is a site that is useful in on-line distribution of electronic and adobe media: FREE IQ http://jazlive.com/iq.aspx
- nationalist, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1movie 2.0
- slipkn0tz23, on 10/10/2007, -8/+0But will it blend?!


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