What is Digg?162 Comments
- inactive, on 11/11/2007, -1/+232The author of this letter has just summed up pretty much how I feel spot-on.
Dugg - Juice7, on 10/17/2007, -3/+138"Sincerely,
A former music buyer"
Dugg. - yozef, on 10/10/2007, -0/+51Wasn't P2P in Canada legal?
Oh well... it is still very obvious for many for to get around this... Demonoid's is a tracker which lists the files to download... there are many ways of still torrenting from it. They made it slightly harder, but still very doable. I don't get what the CRIA is trying to prove??
How much we hate them? - amsterdamordeth, on 11/10/2007, -1/+38It isn't only the RIAA bigwigs that are the problem. The entire market surrounding music, from "big-money retailers"[walmart] to artists is what is hosing their own business model by demanding customer's to open their wallets whenever the industry thinks they should. You can blame greedy investors and greedy artists.
Ford auto sales are plummeting, but their only scapegoat is their own failure. The RIAA found a scapegoat for their own failures to capture the marketplace and in turn their original customer base will eventually turn against them for trying to rip them off with overpricing and inferior product. - relaxarchie, on 11/10/2007, -1/+27Excellent...
Although most likely this will fall on deaf ears, this is the truth about the dinosaur music industry and the puppet masters that pull the strings. I am in the same boat as the author, a Canadian metal head for life, and also have found it hard to find releases of CD's I've "found" online in stores. Its a shame Demonoid was blocked in Canada. I used it for 95% of all my torrent downloads. All though there are workarounds I will have to resort to other sites ( ARRRR :P ) to find stuff.
I praise smaller artists and even big stars like Trent Reznor for taking a stand to the evil empire. Keep it up! - theradical, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24For anyone in Canada, just go to http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and "translate" demonoid.com from anything into English.
- Elranzer, on 11/10/2007, -0/+22"In the meantime, the music industry itself needs to recognize that they are to blame for sagging record sales. For years, they have been marketing recycled crap, and people are getting tired of it. On the odd occasion that something fresh and new accidentally slips through and gets radio play, the music industry immediately signs a seemingly infinite number of clone bands that makes the “new, fresh” sound boring almost instantly."
Pretty much nailed it on the head right there. - mayor999, on 11/10/2007, -0/+20Excellent letter, my only thought is that it is something we have all heard before (from consumers).
As a person who works in the music industry, and has a inside perspective, this is exactly dead on....and I would like to sum it up more concisely:
The RECORD INDUSTRY does NOT want consumers to be making INFORMED DECISIONS! - blaaguuu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+18Did you even read it? That was basically the entire point of the letter.
- inactive, on 11/10/2007, -2/+15This letter sums up the situation very nicely. Unfortunately if there were any members of the RIAA with a lick of sense we wouldn't have this problem in the first place.
- SinisterDexter, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Didn't the lead singer of Fallout Boy show his wang to the internet when they were only semi famous? That's usually the best way to get the little girls on your side... Unless you are standing in Central Park.. That usually just gets you arrested.
- luservegas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11It wasn't Demonoid that caved. It was their ISP. Big difference.
- Theisos, on 11/10/2007, -1/+11Maybe the person who downloaded it doesn't think it's worth the money. I download music, but will only buy the music that I think is worth spending money on - the same thing applies to the movies I download. Maybe the media industries should make a bigger effort to produce quality material. Just because they're hunting people down for downloading instead of buying doesn't mean that I'll buy movies and music I rather not waste money on any time soon. If I can't download it - I simply won't buy it. They're not missing money I had no intention of spending in the first place.
- mtalon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Posted this before, but bears repeating: http://www.musiccreators.ca/wp/ Not every Canadian Artist likes the CRIA
- chobo2, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Ya Demonoid people are pretty for caving. Now the RIAA can come in and go stop letting American people come to your site. Then all the other organizations can say the same thing till everyone is blocked. It reminds me of the south park episode that where they where making fun of family guy and I believe it was Eric Cartman said "you get one episode pulled for something and that is basically the end of the series since then all the other religions can come and get episodes they like pulled".
So I don't think they will be around long. - amsterdamordeth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Imagine what Ford sales would look like if the US govt didn't purchase Ford vehicles almost exclusively.
- ccheath, on 11/10/2007, -1/+9A lot of people feel the same way about tv shows
i watch the simpsons over the air.. i'm a big fan, but i've never though of buying any of their dvd's or merch
is there something wrong with that? - Javienn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8It's half legal.
Providing files for others to download is still illegal in Canada, however, downloading files that others have available is not illegal. It's a bit hookey, but that's how it works I believe. - c0ldfusi0n, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Dugg for not going 'zomg u r teh sux0r' ***** on them. However i doubt things will change. Good letter.
- spyrochaete, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7It's not frowned upon at all. It's 100% legal in Canada. That's why we pay a small levy on blank media like CDs and MP3 players. This is actually grossly unfair and very much in favour of the CRIA because if you burn some Word documents to a CD the CRIA gets money. It's especially insulting when producers and DJs like me burn their own music and are forced to pay Metallica for the privilege.
Cry me a ***** river, CRIA. You lobbied for 15 years for a blank media levy and you got it. Take your free money and leave Demonoid alone. - xdamage, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7I agree with this whole-heartedly as well. I'm tired of the recording industry talking about how they downloading is hurting artists and sound people, and still collecting giant paychecks themselves. It's common knowledge that the artist gets a small percentage of the cut anyways. I wish every band I liked would do what Radiohead is doing with their new album, and sell it personally, online, DRM-free. That way they get all of the money I pay for the album. Publishing companies really aren't needed anymore with digital distribution around.
- TheHydrogens, on 10/10/2007, -3/+9The lead singer isn't really the face of that band
- Scr4tchFury, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Rational arguments have no place in legal matters.
- ninja0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6same here. thanks author, for making such a summed up article of how i feel.
not only can i not find my metal music, like you, but i cant find a good 90% of the techno i listen to and love.
CRIA is *****, its not even illigal in canada to download music. As far as i know, it's just "frowned upon" - fridx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5But its a start isn't it?
- stattek, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7A crappy band rips off a popular television show. That's pathetic and serves only as further reason to dislike them.
- TheCheeks, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7They have the pop sound and a "cute" name.
- stonedslacker, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I don't understand why more traffic to a certain website bothers you.
They might have featured sensationalist news and rumors as facts occasionally but unless there was a more relevant substitute for Bittorrent news (I am not talking about forums or general p2p sites like Slyck), I think they're doing a good job. Its only 1 or 2 guys after all, not a community effort. He deserves some profit for his time, effort, risk (okay that is negligible compared to most trackers) and bandwidth. - sputnikv, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5no, just saying that it'll always exist. the riaa and the mpaa have as much chance of riding the world of piracy as we do of terroism
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I disagree, people are discovering plenty of music online and purchasing albums online that are not available in stores.
Personally, I don't want to wait for a record label to decide a certain artist is good enough before I can listen to them. - R3j3ct, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I love how the recording industry claims that it costs just as much to make a CD from recording onwards these days... the price of good quality recording equipment has dropped down to pennies compared to where it was years ago, and CD duplication equipment is a fraction of it's former cost. Any band with $5000 can record a label quality CD anymore. It doesn't cost $50,000 to record a CD like it did 15 years ago, yet we are still paying the same cost we did then for sub-par music
- vulcanius, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5For your average Canadian, i.e. the author of this letter, Demonoid is effectively shut down. They now filter all Canadian traffic.
- kingkilr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5That's why they invented ads.
- jonc20, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4http://tools.rosinstrument.com/cgi-proxy.htm
- TheIguana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4And yet the CRIA still doesn't give a ***** about what you, I or anyone else thinks about their image or their business practices.
- ccheath, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4yeah but i just ignore the ads... talk over them, or leave the room to go to the bathroom or get a beer
if you ask me, product placement is going to be the prevalent form of adverising in the future - spyrochaete, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Regarding movies this is an opportunity, not a problem. The Family Guy movie took great advantage of this opportunity. In the middle of the movie there's a short conversation about Tivo. It's as simple as that. The movie was pirated like crazy before it was available on shelves, and this was basically free advertising for Tivo and it was done in a classy fashion that didn't divert too much from the story. That 10 second advertisement could have funded the whole movie. However, the greedy industry would prefer to double dip and charge us to watch this advertisement.
- ninja0, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5yeah because some stuff is too much damn money.
bitch please, 25$ for a new DVD? thats BRUTAL.
if DVDs went for 5-10 bucks a pop i would buy them.
same with CDs, i think 15-20$ is way overpriced for what you get.
if CDs were around 8 bucks i'd by them too :P - Loonacy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think I'm going to start the AIAA (Author Industry Association of America) and lobby to get a levy applied to all paper products. Every time you buy paper you need to pay a small fee just in case you're using that paper to print books you downloaded off the interwebs. Brilliant!
- Tstall, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yeah it sucks that they are blocking Canadians from accessing. There is always a way around it though. Use a proxy site, a little bit slower, but eventually they will realize that blocking us will do absolutely no good.
- deviantlinux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Dead-on. A+
- Anskier, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'd laugh, but I get the chilling thought that your just giving them ideas
- krackajap, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4The artists would never see the money from album sales anyway. Unless they are multi-platinum artists they won't get *****. The money they make is from touring. I will only buy music if I'm sure that the artist is the one getting most profits. There are also other reason for me not supporting the music industry but those aren't relevant here.
- theamazingkort, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Ugh, I never thought I'd come to bat for Fall Out Boy, but they got their name from a Simpson's character.
- spyrochaete, on 11/10/2007, -0/+3No industry wants smart consumers. Things get ugly when you mix art and business. Real artists are happy to have exposure for free.
- MrNexus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Doesn't matter anyway. You can shut down torrent sites but more of them will keep popping up anyway.
- DaisyFresh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2So if the average person were to have around 1000 songs, and at about 12 songs per album and at $17.50 for each, that would be $1,458.33 plus applicable taxes. That's a lot of beer. And that's using a pretty conservative number for song totals. Or $0.99 on iTunes/other online vendors, which is still $1000... A better number would be $4-10 per album, in my opinion.
- AlexFerny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The music industry is making one of the most basic mistakes in business, as my management/business lecturer at Uni puts is "they are in the business of providing audio entertainment, not in the business of selling CDs".
To them it should not matter HOW they sell the music, as long as they sell it. - Mongo61, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Diggity dugg.
Right on the money. And since when did the record companies ever make sure 99% of their artists actually got paid? They're just interested in controlling distribution, not supporting music culture.
RIAA, CRIA-- Eat ***** and die naked in a snow drift. - soopertoll, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I agree with most of his text. but the following quote wasn't quite honest i think: "25 years ago, I primarily learned about music from friends who dubbed a copy onto a cassette tape, where I could listen to it and make a decision if I wanted to buy the tape for myself." well... i wouldn't buy the tape if i had it already.
-
Show 51 - 100 of 164 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is