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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+278Places too much trust in physics?....
- Ajajadude, on 10/12/2007, -5/+187@gute321
It's kind of like putting too much trust in breathable air. You never know when that bastard air is going to go renegade and try and kill you in your sleep. - gamasutra, on 10/12/2007, -9/+137Just don't put all the fat people in one block, and the skinny people in the other.
- agrabob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+125After jumping through two hoops of blog spam:
http://worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=946 - Daedalus17, on 10/12/2007, -2/+103I think it would make more sense if it said "places too much trust in modern engineering".
- BassMastr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+96It only saves space if they put something underneath it, otherwise they are wasting space by not extending those towers all the way to the ground.
68 is hardly trying to cram as many units as possible in a building that size... - mvanhorn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+94Anyone else thinking Sim City 2000 arcologies?
- eatmorgnome, on 10/12/2007, -16/+103I used to trust physics, but it didn't give me the answers I wanted to hear.
Now I trust in Jeebus.
And fairies. - atbnet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+69I trust physics, but can you trust the engineers who designed it to make sure it doesn't fall over? I don't think physics one day is going to reverse gravity on us or anything.
- NearlyHeadless, on 10/12/2007, -6/+66I showed this to my ten year-old son over the weekend when it was on Boing Boing, thinking he would find it cool.
"Wow," he said, "they're going to write a book about that building someday...you know, about the thousands of people that died." - terribly1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+59Yeah!
I mean, it's not like they're laws or anything! Crazy Singaporians. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+53I look at that and think I'm playing Jenga.
I just want to see if a part of the building can slide out so it can be carefully placed on top. - jawdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+52That looks like an efficient way of bottlenecking the people trying to escape from a fire....
- thebaron2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+49FTA: "But despite my reservations, something tells me they won't have too much trouble selling the 68 high-end units..."
All of that for only 68 units? - iKato, on 10/12/2007, -3/+45Psh. Physics. It's still just a theory.
- Corey1982, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43I think the engineer behind this building is probably a crappy Tetris player.
- AeroSquid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+32there is probably 100 crappy windowless boxes in the central tower.
- platformer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+30Don't trust physics, it killed my brother.
- themajor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28"....we civil have to make it work."..... by asking us mechanicals to come up with those advances in materials and the manufacturing thereof.
- VaporBro, on 10/26/2007, -5/+33thats what she said
- Jakelshark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29As a civil engineer who has seen a lot of various designs made up by architects I can say this isnt that crazy. With advances in construction and materials, its totally possible. Probably not a good design, but possible
And just to say, I hate architects because most of them dont know squat about physics or mathematics. They draw it and we civil have to make it work. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28And ***** your sister
- CapeKid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+26Last time I trusted physics ... it let me down.
Damn gravity. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26From an engineering perspective, there is no reason why this shouldn't work out perfectly fine.
- yacks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21I take it that you haven't seen the Discovery Channel's show on the Pyramid City being drawn out for japan.. :)
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/engineering/pyramidcity/interactive/interactive.html - krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -1/+22wow, all this talk of physics, and no one has mentioned torque or inertia. the engineers can do the math such that if exactly one half of the building was filled with some heavy material to maximize torque, the building still wouldn't tilt due to weight/depth in the foundation. this would work, even if they made it look like an upside down christmas tree. it's typically just not economically feasible to do these weird shapes.
maybe my sensational emotions are just too dumbed down by this little thing called reality. 5 years of college physics, and i'm not even an expert in this field... i have confidence that the engineers could build this so it would never tip. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19What a stupid news title. What would you have builders put trust in? Random guesses? Bribing inspectors? Chicken entrails?
- jemmrich, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1868 units doesnt seem like cramming to me...
- elk1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I would put obeying laws high on the list of things Singaporeans do well. if this building goes down someone's getting caned.
- magneticfieldz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15For wanting to make the most out of the space, seems like a waste.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Stupid trees with their central trunk holding up branches that spread out. they put way to much trust in physics. I predict trees will not work.
- garytay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Singaporean here :
The crazy thing about this structure isn't the look... It's the price... 68 units in orchard road (aka the most expensive road in asia). I would estimate the starting prices for each unit to be at least USD$ 4million, maybe 6million realistically when it's completed along with the integrated resorts (the government's term for Las Vegas styled Casinos).
Some stats
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Government housing :
4 room flat : $80,000 USD - $100,000 USD
5 room flat : $180,000 USD - $250,000 USD
Executive (bigger 5 room) $200k - $300k USD
Private Housing.
Normal Condos : $700k+
Uptown Condos : $3-4mil+
Terrace houses : $1mil-$3mil
Small Bungalow : $3mil+
Bigger Bungalow/Villas : $10-20mil
Cars.
Toyota Vios : USD $30k (inc taxes), renewable 10 years Certificate of Entitlement (if you don't have one, you can't drive the car).
BMW : USD $80k+
Average newly graduated degree holder from local university earns USD$1.3k/mth
There is no minimum wages.
You earn USD$2.30 /hr at macdonalds here.
It cost me USD$1500 to get a driving license.
Chinese Chicken rice cost USD$1.30 (and tastes really good too) - RG13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"Crazy building places too much trust in physics"
As in, they're trusting physics over blind faith and guesswork?
Silly silly Singaporeans - trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12DARCO ftw!
- jaypeg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11We already have a building just like it in Vancouver, Canada, on Georgia St. It's not as tall as the building in the drawing, but the same central pillar design. It started out as an office building in the early '70s then was converted to condos in the late '90s. They've said all along that it is designed to be almost earthquake proof because of it's flexible central 'tree trunk' design. And it has survived a few minor quakes already.
- Jakelshark, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13As me and my mechanical friends joke
You make the weapon, we make the target. Its the harmony among civil and mechanical engineers - Jakelshark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10So people without any background in civil engineering are going to question someone who does. Well the most important thing to keep in mind is that I said it was possible, not feasible. There is nothing special about the building, it is an update on old design used for Japanese temples that would use a large load bearing column with the building built off of it for support for the earthquakes. Its the same concept.
Seriously, what is sooo crazy about building a large tower with a strong foundation and then evenly adding weight to all the sides. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9For all we know, there is a ROAD under the units, around the main tower. Something that prevents the footprint from being any larger than the central tower.
- greenlight2001, on 10/12/2007, -7/+15That's what I said about the chick I meet at a bar this past Saturday. Turns out, it WAS just me, they were fantastic... and perhaps not heavy enough.
- JCDenton513, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Ah yes, arcologies. The best way to out do your neighbors population while destroying the homes of previous residents and forcing them into haunted buildings.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Physics is an absolute. It's our understanding of Physics that is in question. Physics (i.e. the laws that govern everything in our universe) would still exist without a race to try and formalise it.
- ismith, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Better watch out, physics was in a pissy mood today. I was just walking then– BAM!, gravity increase. I fell flat on my face.
- quantumHobbit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Considering nanotubes cost hundreds of dollars per gram, I'll take my chances with something that costs less than the national debt to rent.
- JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It's a simple cantilever. Compared to something like a modern long span suspension bridge, the structural design of this building is relatively simple and straight forward.
- nicepants, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yes, we should definitely place more trust in "what looks safer" than what actually IS safer.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6umm, so long as you account for all possible situations: earthquake, tornado, tsunami, flood, fire or "all fat people on one side" I can't see how you are placing too much trust in physics.
- tiffany98121, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's not too different from Rainier Tower in Seattle:
http://www.washington.edu/admin/reo/images/metro/rainier.jpg - artanis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5parachutes!
- mapkinase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5пацталом
- dawgma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If anyone happened to be confused by this... the apartment blocks are not simply supported by a bottom plate attached to the center beam. There will be thousands of steel beams stretching from the center beam all the way up the apartment blocks.
It's not too far off from what you see in normal apartments that stretch to the ground. The top floors do not entirely depend on the concrete and steel directly below it. You could explode a hole in the bottom half of a building, and the top half will still be supported by beams that are running horizontally across the whole structure.
You could almost qualify this building as an illusion.. it doesn't lack any kind of support that normal buildings have above the ground floor. -
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