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- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -5/+58Comic Sans for total defeat.
- Duositex, on 10/12/2007, -12/+49Nice if you don't know what you're talking about... Buried as soon as I read mention of measuring font size in pixels.
"As a rule of thumb, body text should never be over 16 pixels. Now, this may not be the case 100% of the time, but who wants to have to scroll 3 or 4 times to read a small paragraph?" -The Article
Excuse me?
This is a ridiculous statement and shows an obvious lack of any working professional knowledge of typesetting, print work, or graphic design in general, if not a complete lack of understand of designing for the web. - kevincannon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Bad article, dugg down. The person means well, but is really just a beginner themselves and isn't speaking from any position of authority.
The article is filled with factual errors and bad advice.
If you want real advice on Typography then talk to a real designer or start learning:
http://www.papress.com/thinkingwithtype/
http://www.digital-web.com/topics/typography/
http://www.adobe.com/education/pdf/type_primer.pdf - TylerLemieux, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20Because the "Man in Unfortunate Penis Accident" story you dugg a few days ago was so much better.
- luma, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18Precisely what I thought when I read the article. It's pretty damn clear that this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
- Ellsass, on 11/05/2008, -2/+12Comic Sans is the soccer mom font. Have you ever seen a flyer for a school play or a family-friendly neighborhood mixer that didn't use Comic Sans?
- JohnnyRad, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13ban comic sans!! http://www.bancomicsans.com
- Junkyarddawg, on 10/12/2007, -12/+21Times! New! Roman! -- For Teh WIN!
- Forever-Zero, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Someone needs to send this to everyone's Myspace mailbox. Hey kids! Size 10 pink Comic Sans font on your pony background does not make me want to be friends with you. Neither does tiny silver text on your death metal, black, fixed background image.
On the topic of the article, I think this is a great guide for beginning designers. When I first started off making some simple sites, I did some things with fonts that I would call completely stupid now. Things like Frontpage and Geocities seem to be dwindling though, and Homestead isn't at all what it used to be, so I'm hoping it isn't still as bad. - DeskFlyer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I think this guy has it nailed:
http://timecube.com/ - inurb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Helvetica bitches!
- rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Consolas: The best fixed-width font since Lucida Console.
- audiowizard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7This is the most basic, mundane article it's practically offensive. What are you children reading this? Did you get your first computer yesterday? sob.
- wild, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You should be choosing a typeface, not a font. Fonts are just the piece of software that helps display the chosen typeface. When you can't make that distinction, you are not in a place to be teaching others.
Typography is a very in depth skill. It needs real training to grasp. - Skeuomorph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5DirkB and bcat: "To slag it as inaccurate or ill-informed for its discussion of pixels vs. points reveals a substantial lack of comprehension on the part of the complainers." / "What are the advantages of using Pixel or Screen size fonts instead of Point size? The most significant is design control. A Point size font is a completely unknown design element. Depending on their screen resolution, available fonts and system font size setting..."
That's as far as we need to go. Pixel size is needs to be abandoned precisely because of the phrase you used, "depending on their screen resolution". If I have 3x the resolution (dpi, not dimensions) of the next guy, I should be allowed to allocate 3x as many pixels per point of font size. This is precisely why points are used in printing rather than some obscure metric related to the nature of the machine being used to print (i.e., how many ink jet blobs per character, how many laser dots, or how many half-tone screen lines). Progress in LCD manufacturing processes should not have to be a consideration in web design.
For device independence, for the design to have the designer's intended physical size regardless of the output (display or print) device resolution (dpi), all design elements--not just fonts--should be specified in a resolution independent scale.
As it happens, my 3x example was not hypthetical. The screen I'm using has 282 pixels per inch (or 848 subpixels per inch). That's essentially the dpi of laser print. Web pages with fonts specified in pixels are about 3x too small, while those specified in points are fine.
With even modern OSs such as Vista and OS X Leopard moving to resolution independence, it's time to quit thinking in pixels. - ajchavar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5comic sans, papyrus and curlz ms should be wiped from existence. . . and since we seem to be on the topic times new roman isn't that great either unless you're turning in a term paper. my favorite serif for body copy is Garamond, and i like futura as a sens-serif for display or larger copy.
- Rickard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Helvetica neue please.
- ajchavar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4the funniest thing about that page to me was that if you scroll all the way to the bottom, theres a link to page 2. . . you think he wouldve broken it up more.
also theres a dead link to something called "the physics of santa claus" - tuartboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"I'm thinking Frontpage"
Easy way to check. Generator tag reads "Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) [Netscape]". Looks like he used the old mozilla suite to make it. - bethlagarrison, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Buried for being inaccurate. Possibly the worst article about type I've ever read.
The fact that "choice of typeface" is number three on the list says something about the intelligence of the author. - sTiVo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Wow, it does everything short of flash at you. Check out how he sourced his page. It's very weird.
EDIT:
Well, pasting a small portion of his page source didn't work, but check it out for yourself. I'm thinking Frontpage. - Skeuomorph, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Simplified, oblique implies roughly the same character form as the upright but slanted, while italic implies a character re-designed for the slant.
- beejay54, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If you know your design conventions you can make anything look good. A little talent helps too.
- crawfishsoul, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Slow news day?
- d34f, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I think this part sums it well
There is no human entity, just human
Cubics - as in 4 different people in a
4 corner stage metamorphic rotation -
never more than 1 corner at same time. - monospaced, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2you're right about the synonyms...but italic type is supposed to "stand out" in a sea of roman set type. in fact, it is the correct usage for citing book titles, etc... (underlining only came about for a lack of italics on a typewriter)
- ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This doesnt have anything to do with fonts. This is Art I classroom material.
Breaking news: color choice and composition have an effect on overal design! - theDose™, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3A better, practical guide to web typography: http://webtypography.net/
"Robert Bringhurst’s book The Elements of Typographic Style is on many a designer’s bookshelf and is considered to be a classic in the field." I also feel it's a must read for anyone setting type. - monospaced, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Since when did "designer" come to define someone who makes websites? From what I've seen on the web, there are very few websites who employ real designers. These people know close to nothing about typography.
- mkameli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3... I definitely thought this article was an April Fool's joke, but it isn't funny, so I guess it's just amateurish.
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4As long no one uses Comic Sans, we'll be ok.
- OhJay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3In typography they aren't synonyms. Oblique is just slanted roman text, while an italic typeface uses different looking (slanted) characters.
Compare Arial and Times New Roman in Word and you can easily see the difference between the two terms. - imamessy1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You never tried to get a job in print design. Choice of font and layout on your resume can compliment your portfolio and show your employer how you can handle normally dry copy on an 8.5" x 11". In many cases, creative directors will throw away a boring resume without even looking at a portfolio. It's your first opportunity to impress someone. It's all about branding. Why do businesses spend tons of money on letterheads? Why are there some many books on identity systems.
Of course what you say does matter, but in some places, if it looks bad, you won't get an interview. - monospaced, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2now that other designers are speaking, they are right about the oblique italic differences...a true italic is "designed" to compliment the roman...
- eonblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I was going to read the article, but then I saw the font and realized that the information held within was either wrong, copied/pasted, or not followed.
- tablatronix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This article is not very in depth BTW.
- MrSarcasm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You can post this on websites like myspace... *blocks*
- animeguru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Really, you shouldn't be using either pt or px sizing for the screen. You should be using relative sizing (em et al). Choosing a fixes point size may be nice from a design standpoint in that you can completely control your layout, however, users with poor visibility won't be able to size your text up in some browsers. Not everyone can, or wants to, read 6pt type on their screen.
Most browsers all default to a similar font size, so scaling it from that one size will still give you great results across the board and will make sizing text up a lot easier for those that need it.
As to the article, he could have saved me (and everyone else who read the article) 5 minutes of my life by just writing that Arial in dark colors on light backgrounds is teh bestest! - FTAFILESn3, on 03/05/2009, -0/+1Thanks for this useful info.
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Have a great day :) - jonathono2000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have never seen a worthwhile "tutorial" posted on Digg and this one is not better.
- crashingstar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wish Times New Roman wasn't so overused because it really is a nice typeface for body copy in print. v. easy to read, but everyone thinks your being lazy when you use TNR. As an alternative I would say Garamond or Caslon. Futura is bordering on overuse.
- arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Times New Roman does feel a bit over used. Arial or Helvetica are great standard fonts, I think, because they're sleek and generally render well on a screen. Now, I'm not sure in print. I'd say that a serif font like Times would work better in print, but for something on a screen, the sans serif fonts work well.
- brownspank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In short: use Arial, recolor, and resize.
- michelrose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wow! I'm not impressed. Butt dugg it for some reason.
- da_bradler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2We use comic sans for all our security reports at my work, I laughed when I found out... but now it just makes me sad
- k1down, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So a font with a skew effect is oblique? Huh... who knew. Four years of school and I was misinformed with every reference to oblique and italic.
I studied my Univers typefaces and you guys are right as a turn on red.
Also,
I was always told that italic fonts were created to save page space back when printing was much more costly. It does indeed do this, but do you guys know if they were truly created first for this function over form? I've always wondered about the truth in it... - monospaced, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1amen
- mhmdkhamis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0nice advice and good work
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