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- bowiestyle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25why does it take so long for browsers to add this in? I mean apple developers seem to work pretty quickly and do a good job. Mozilla, the same. Don't get me started on IE. They still haven't got CSS2 right. But, this stuff has been around for years. Why hasn't CSS3 been fully put into at least firefox and Safari? Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining ONLY. I'm just asking the digg community for any answer they have.
- oslointhesummer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23CSS3 is a working draft, meaning ITS NOT FINISHED.
So, if firefox developers were to implement any of these new features, and then the features were dropped from the CSS3 spec, firefox would be stuck with the code. - jmechy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18I'd assume that since IE7 doesn't even correctly support CSS2, and that CSS3 is just a draft and not even final, that IE7 won't support it.
- codykrainock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17new overflow features :)
- NtHammer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19firefox is run by volunteers and microsoft is just being microsoft
- ttoomey, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18No photoshop for shadows...mantastic
- DNABeast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Because CSS3 still hasn't been confirmed. There is still a lot of uming and ahing over nailing it down. When it's confirmed THEN browsers can properly support it.
- spengy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Too bad it will take Microsoft several years to support it. And when it is supported, it will be supported poorly.
How long has IE supposed to have supported min-height and min-width properly? - jtrost, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I like text-overflow: ellipsis-word;
In the past I've had to use a javascript to count the number of characters in a string to see if it would fit in a div box, then truncate appropriately. This CSS property does all of the leg work! - supermansuper, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12first learn to 'swear' properly
- elastikos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The multi-column feature and multiple backgrounds look the most promising to me at the moment.
- Cander, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Yay. Opacity!
- razei, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I'm loving the [easy] rounded corners.
- mijokijo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I imagine when FF starts using Cairo for rendering that the corners will be anti-aliased nicely.
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8This would have been nicer with screenshots. :)
- tyom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Mozilla adds "-moz-" to experemental properties which are work in progress. Later they drop "-moz-" and properties become actual CSS3. http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#the-border-radius
- The_Decryptor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Mainly because...
1. CSS3 isn't one standard, it's a bunch of different parts
2. Only some are at the stage where they should be implemented, and that's happening in the big 3/4 (Gecko, Prsto, WebKit/KHTML) - defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7trusty?
- Friend, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Except for the fact that your average internet surfer has no idea that there are alternatives to IE, much less knowing (or caring) about CSS. As long as IE comes bundled with Windows, it's going to retain market share.
Yes, it makes me sad too. - Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7"CSS3 is a working draft, meaning ITS NOT FINISHED."
Actually, the same holds for CSS 2.1 - JoshTheBoss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This has been posted at least twice before:
http://www.digg.com/design/CSS3.info_Launched
http://www.digg.com/design/CSS3_Preview
Being the sucker for CSS, I got sucked into digging it multiple times. It's still nice to see some of the new features and attributes which will be available to programmers in the (near) future. I hope it's sooner rather than later. I'm not holding my breath for Microsoft to implement these features very quickly, but I think Firefox will do a pretty good job once CSS3 has been standardized. - Vironex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6You're going to use arial and center to create rounded corners?
- elastikos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5They look pretty average though unfortunately.
- arduenn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Indeed. Never mind those eye candy thingies. The proposed text-overflow; ellipsis feature is really elegant.
- thecoolestcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yeah, the rounded edges is a nice feature, but did you see the aliased edges? Eek. I hope they fix that in the future.
- razei, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Would 'gtfo noob' apply here?
- defrex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Honestly, I think for Microsoft non-standard IE is meant to keep up their market share. It isn't so common these days, but it was only a couple years ago that pages would break in anything other then IE. "This site is best viewed in IE" is the sign of lazy developers. Things are getting better with Firefox gaining, but I still think Microsoft is going to break CSS3 just to make developers work that much harder to support standard-compliant browsers.
Lets all use Firefox and make the world a better place to program. - ph23man, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Previews and working drafts of CSS3 are all well and good but until mainstream browsers fully support a completed CSS3 specification, I won't be jumping for joy. It is good to see that they're considering new features that makes developer's lives easier. But it all comes down to IE doesn't it? It looks to maintain its monster market share with the automatic IE7 update notice. So there would be no point using CSS3 when 80%-90% of the browser market doesn't support it.
- SteveCUBE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"text-overflow: ellipsis-word;" sounds awesome.
- sandrejev, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Actually opacity is already supported in IE, Mozilla engine browsers. Nothing new here
- cazabam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4also, because if the text area is resizable you don't want a round trip to reflow the text ...
- ThirdPrize, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Lets face it, the browsers will finally all get CSS2 implemented and we will all start bitching about CSS3. I predict a no-win situation.
- afrazkhan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3
Great, and we have to wait another 10 years to use them because Joe Blogs uses MSIE and MSIE, I'm guessing, doesn't support CSS3. - Cander, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@sandrejev
Really? I was totally unaware of that. Well, aren't I way behind? :p - shadedream, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How about finishing CSS 2/2.1 Support in IE first.
JUST adding psudo-classes would make my life so much easier in IE. No more writing custom classes for IE that need to be assigned inline on the page becausse it cant handle :first-child etc - dylanparry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The examples in the article aren't using CSS3, but they are using the extended CSS that Safari/Mozilla have implemented, which sort of mirrors some of the CSS3 features to various degrees. For example, the "border-radius" CSS3 code is implemented as "-moz-border-radius" in Mozilla, but the same browser will happily ignore the former. Also, it's worth noting that the Mozilla implementation of border-radius isn't the same as the implementation specified in the CSS3 draft as it only allows for one radius to be set for each corner rather than eliptic corners.
- srg13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't digg him down, that was obviously a joke... Come on, center and font tags?
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree about the columns.
Now, I want GRADIENTS! - spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@willcode4beer:
Maybe he doesn't have the time or possibly doesn't have the technical knowledge or experience. There are a lot of reasons that one might not be able to contribute to an open source.
Also, care to list the projects that you're currently working on and the code you've contributed? I'm beginning to wonder how many people that mouth off like this are actually practicing what they preach. - PlancksCnst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope the browsers implement some sort of antialiasing with those rounded corners. As they are, they look horrible.
- johlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Isn't this the...77th time this hits the front page?
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16 thumbs down on sulaco's post was a little excessive there. It may have been an honest question, and there was a good solid answer that came from it. Way too much useful discussion is being modded down all the time.
- dvws, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think google will ban you for that if you aren't being spammy, using it to sneak in keywords and such. I would imagine someone at google has to physically look at your site and make a judgment before they will ban you. I use CSS to replace text with images in every site I create, it involves setting the height of the text element to 0, setting the overflow to hidden and use padding to get the height back while pushing the text out of view. Its a very common technique that could be abused if one were to hide a bunch of keywords in that element and then cover them up with an image. If Google were to just blindly blacklist sites for techniques like this, and not evaluate each one on a case by case basis, they would be evil.
- srg13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've tried the rounded borders, and from my experience, it doesn't really work unless you have a border of at least 3px and have the radius to about 14px, or the aliasing on the corners looks terrible. It's better if your border is the same colour of the element's background though.
- hotdamn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't know about you guys but on my Intel macs CSS transparency drags the system down and limits scrolling to around 2-3 fps.
Anyone else having this problem? - Enitime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And it uses CSS for the GUI. No harm using proprietary tags if they'll never be rendered by anything other than mozilla anyway.
- shockingbird, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exactly. Maybe the browsers will be able to catch up one day.
- motang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1CSS is getting better and better. Keep up the good work!
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, those things definitely need anti-aliasing.
Still, that's a great feature. One less need for graphics to slow a page down. Let's hope it becomes common-place by the end of the year.
Anyone know if IE 7 will support them? How about Opera? - cosmotic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've done quite a bit of testing using the new multiple background properties... And the obvious use for these, decrative rectangles that resize, are not possible.
Seeing as how this is an extremely popular effect using multiple empty divs, this should be FIXED BEFORE THE FINAL DRAFT!!!!
I can't imagine waiting another 3 years to get this sort of functionality when it should have been in CSS FROM THE START. -
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