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- Chupatumama, on 10/12/2007, -10/+38Being a designer for 2.0 is real easy:
Make sure you ONLY use white backgrounds and the less you do, the more you can charge.
By the time web 3.0 hits. its gonna be simply a white backdrop and invisible ink so as no to disturb the whiteness. - bdickason, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31A List Apart is one of my favorite design blogs, I just wish they would update more often. Even their illustrations make me happy :)
- bramkok, on 07/02/2009, -4/+20Yes, A List Apart is quality blog. The fact that they even take the time to draw (or make somebody draw) an illustration every time they post a new blog entry says enough.
- vagrantradio, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19This comment was generated by Microsoft FrontPage 2003.
- buddyfarr, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@dougless
that was kinda funny. don't know why you were dugg down. take it with a smile people. :) - Dawneb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11That comment made my morning. It can be really hard balancing everything between what the snooty design community wants, and what clients/bosses want. They usually don't agree. As a designer myself, I want to be all snooty with minimal everything, but there is no way the clients I work for will take that, they want the giant text and pictures everywhere.
- Asvetic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I went to school with the Illustrator: Kevin Cornell. His personal website is hilarious, worth the mention and a link: http://bearskinrug.co.uk/ (don't let the link confuse, he's actually based out of Philadelphia, PA.)
- arduenn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7
Nequaquam vacuum, as Cato the Elder would say. - foomojive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5who cares? why do you care if YOUR article makes it to the front page? if your article made it, did you expect to get hot chicks showing up at your house for it? or get paid? the purpose is to help people out and whether your article does it or someone else's does, the purpose is achieved. go back and check your ego at the door.
- weasel75, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8White space - so beautiful, yet simple and cheap, but damn hard to master.
.... a really good article! - david76, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Great article.
For those familiar with Bringhurst's Elements of Typographic Style, there is a website which applies the theory to web-design. I haven't read over all of it, but it's worth a look.
http://webtypography.net/toc/
And for those interested in the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Typographic-Style-Robert-Bringhurst/dp/0881791326 - mikebai1990, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Are you stupid? Where is the word for word copying?
- thr0n, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5dugg!
May be this also helps
http://www.thinkvitamin.com/features/design/how-crap-is-your-site-design - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4a list apart would like to let you know that a list apart has achieved perfect balance of whitespace, which will be known from now on as "a list apart"
while we're listing apart, have an a list apart ad, courtesy of digg and a list apart - bitcloud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The good blogs don't update all that frequently.
Neophiliacs don't like good blogs... - dylanparry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I was going to make a similar comment myself. They may have created a site with a nice amount of white space, but design gurus they are not. My pet peeve about that site is that the font size is too small, but when you make it larger by even one size in Firefox you end up losing some of the links in the nav-bar at the top. That said, the first thing I do on that site is still hit ctrl and +.
It's still a good article though; even if the Digg summary is slightly inaccurate in that it implies that the author of the article is praising AListApart in any way - the fact that some of the illustrations use AListApart as examples of white space is pretty irrelevant. - invader, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8take a step back
give me
my whitespace. - dracostimpy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Whitespace = sore eyes. It almost makes me miss the days of green on black CRTs. Sure it was ugly, but it was also a lot easier to stare at for 8 hours straight than the pure white light bath that is the intarweb. I wish more web designers used darker backgrounds... at least Maddox knows how to make an eye-friendly site!
- NeoRicen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's tough to have enough content so as not to appear blank or boring yet still have adequate whitespace. Just a thought.
- darksheer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Boulton is certainly building himself a reputation among Diggers--I know his Five Simple Steps series has been dugg here before. For those who missed it and want some supplementary material to this article, you can find his Five Simple Steps to Better Typography here.
http://www.markboulton.co.uk/articles/detail/five_simple_steps_to_better_typography/ - dylanparry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The facts of the matter are, and always will be, that humans are pretty much visual creatures. We don't care what things contain - if they don't look good, then we won't give it enough time to see the goodness underneath. Think about things like food; if a dish looks colourful and interesting, then you might want to eat it; if it looks like brown sludge with odd floating bits, the likeliness is you'd be less enticed. The same goes for most things in life.
- toshipaine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Strict is used mainly for application-specific XHTML such as XSLT, SOAP, or Jabber that may require more stringent cross-platform compatibility and guidelines. XHTML Transitional is mainly used by those that want to enforce standards (e.g. closing all paragraph tags and adding ending delimiters to line breaks). The other factor is Strict doesn't recognize some obvious HTML 4.0 stuff and therefore may break applications. I encountered this problem on several occasions while working on Saturn.com back in 1999/2000.
- mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You mean like this? http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
You can get started in web design right now with no money down. I would say get a plain text editor like TextPad or PSPad and then just start learning from the above link. But you could get a free wysiwyg HTML editor like Nvu or Trellian Webpage.
So practice it for a while, then get yourself a website. Nowadays you can get website hosting plus a domain name for under $100/year. So make a website and start putting crap up there, make up projects for yourself to show off your abilities. I would expect at that point you might be able to find something for $15/hour or so, which works out to $30K/year.
After that you can start learning PHP. - mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Dugg for use of the word "chockablock".
The Face Mask example is beautiful. - dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"This is all part of that damned Web 2.0 crap" Are you saying whitespace is part of the "Web 2.0 crap"? If so, I'll stop using whitepace.AlthoughIdoconsiderwhitespaceveryusefullformakingcomments,messagesandothersuchcommunicationeasiertoread,don'tyou?
But yes : Decent use of white-space isn't "new", but, your example about a .txt blog would make whitespace even more important - not because it looks cool, not because "It's the web 2.0 thing to do!", but because it makes anything (Be it a book, a website, some code etc) easier to read.
If it makes a blog easier to read, I'm far more likely to read it.
"Stop looking at the wrapper and just enjoy the candy inside." - Does a shiny candy wrapper make the candy inside taste worse?
.. isn't that second paragraph far easier to read?
- Ben - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Probably because you called it "Feng Shui for Websites". Also, your article doesn't contain any examples or code, like the ALA articles always do.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Everyone should use it when they write programs as well.
That way you can buy a new 30" monitor and only see as much useful stuff as you could on your VGA.while basking in the healthy glow of cold cathode fluorescent light! - armbar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you have a degree (even if it's unrelated), you should have no problem starting out in the $40Ks, assuming you have a year or two of experience.
- scorwitz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I love this stuff. Oh, how I wish I'd learned web design when html was new. I've always had a god sense of 'white space' when typing papers, documents for work, etc...
Anyone have suggestions of schools for web/graphic design? Is there any chance my entry level salary would be higher than the high $20's/year? - jonnyq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2ahhh whitespace... today's answer to je ne sais qoui
- CrushThemTorg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Whitespace is a basic part of design. It lets the eye focus on what's important. There's a reason why good feature packages in papers generally have a decent amount of it.
- sciencebase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1so sciencebase.com with its minimalist theme has some decent whitespace whereas sciencedaily.com which is crammed with stuff doesn't, would you say?
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"This is all part of that damned Web 2.0 crap."
The article uses The Economist newspaper as an example. You consider a newspaper Web 2.0? - anotherjeff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1so... does this run on linux?
- KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Whitespace can make or break your site."
There's a deliciously amusing pun in that. :} - KyleMistry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And let us not forget that, if you've got a Bachelor In Arts and knowledge in some of the more basic programming languages (HTML, CSS, and as mutatron said, PHP), you've got a nice added advantage, something that'll help a lot in an industry as competitive as design.
- noxdineen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AHAHA! Awesome. I'm locked in a cabin in the mountains with 5 web designers and developers, and was driving myself crazy trying to convince them that the site we're redesigning needs a healthy amount of whitespace.
This was perfect ammunition! - yahoofrom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Whitespace matters but Myspace don't.
- Vindstille, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have waited for something from Mark Boulton on ALA.
Very good article. - toshipaine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Besides the obvious if you were surrounded by "5" web designers you shouldn't even have to point them to this article.
If I called myself a designer and didn't know how important whitespace was I would ask my coworkers to shoot me... preferably in the head. - toshipaine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Whitespace, as a generic term, can also be called reification and is part of Gestalt psychology (sometimes referred to as Gestalt principles of design).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestalt_psychology
Another principle, missing from the Wiki article, is isomorphic correspondence. This is anything (words, imagery, photo, and so forth) that elicits an emotional response. Couple examples may include photos of a baby chewing on a power cord or a puppy playing on train tracks while off in the distance a train is coming. The use of this term is described at length in Gregg Berryman's wonderful "Notes on Graphic Design and Visual Communication." A small 48-page primer on visual design that I recommend to anyone interested in the graphic design field. - stacky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2dugg for the article. Nice work with the whitewash Ricky...
- MrSunshine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Design gurus? Here's what they know about design:
"Why does ALA use XHTML Transitional instead of Strict?
It’s our way of sticking it to The Man.
Liquid elastic layouts are the way of the righteous. Fixed-width layouts are for sinners. Your ALA 4.0 layout is fixed-width. Will you offer an alternative, liquid elastic layout?
No."
( http://www.alistapart.com/qa/ ) - adc86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ooh haha. I just got it...
/griffen - adc86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Unless it's whitespace on myspace (which I refuse to capitalize out of hatred for that abomination of a web application).
- adc86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Whitespace is more functional than it is "white." As dbr_onix pointed out above, typinglikethisallowsmoreinformationbutmakesithardertoatainthatinformation.
My clients occasionally state that they're "paying for that space, let's put something in it." You have to explain that it's more about accessibility and direct, cogent communication than shoving as much information down one's throat as your 1/2 page piece physically allows.
(I do get what you mean, though, I think. And I think Maddox should get dugg sometime too) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.design-sites.net
- jale, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0good job
good job
http://messenger-gratuit.blogspot.com/ -
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