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- AdamKernes, on 11/12/2008, -0/+3019. Dont use flash to rape the site's visitors in the ass.
- SuperJason, on 11/12/2008, -0/+25"Web-crawlers and SEO should be an afterthought"
As a web developer, I must respectfully disagree. You should at least know the basics about how to allow your site to be indexed. It's not trivial to change your URL's or site structure later. - BZKyle, on 11/12/2008, -3/+26I have to disagree with the IE point.
Many sites that are tech focused, like Photoshop blogs, Mac blogs, etc. have a very very low IE readership, sometimes below 5%.
(I should make clear I'm saying ***** you to IE 6... IE 7 isn't terrible... generally just a couple quick fixes.) - mungk, on 11/12/2008, -2/+15Web developers? Really? This isn't what I think of when someone says web developer. This is pretty basic content/HTML/CSS stuff. I'm not sure I'd call it, but web developer isn't it. Maybe web editor?
- Thousand, on 11/12/2008, -0/+13I disagree as well, but for different reasons. Developing for IE first will inevitably tempt you to incorporate IE workarounds from the start, which is a horrible foundation for a site. Develop for Firefox or Safari first, then only add the fixes you need to bring the site in line with IE6. It makes no sense to start with the bad and wedge in the good.
- glomza, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1018 marketing tips that we put together to get some traffic to our marketing website!
- astrotrain, on 11/12/2008, -0/+10Where is #14?
#14. Never under ANY circumstances use Front Page, nor use the "Microsoft HTML" language. - KDX200rider, on 11/12/2008, -0/+10Rule number 1 - Use a decent server...
- flatpick, on 11/12/2008, -0/+9This is purely about content, graphical design and site management. It has nothing to do with "web development", which concerns how you code to meet the needs of the aforementioned three areas.
At any rate, this is pretty basic stuff where it is correct and off-base where it isn't. Move along, nothing to see here. - Tyrion, on 11/12/2008, -0/+7I agree. Develop first for a standards compliant browser like Firefox - which will mean all good browsers will display everything properly 99.9% of the time. Then check it in IE and make fixes specific to that browser by using IE's conditional comments to target the ***** browser, not hacks.
- smartcause, on 11/11/2008, -4/+11FTA: "12. Engage in Social Media" -- Good to see they follow their own suggestions. Dugg.
- riverrunner, on 11/12/2008, -1/+7BZKyle (and I) simply can't hold back or waste more time on IE6 which was released in 2001 for crying out loud!!!!!!!
IE7 and 8 fine, but NO MORE 6. - NathanielJ, on 11/12/2008, -3/+9FTA: "Regardless of how you feel about Internet Explorer, it still used by more than 85% of web users..."
Based on what statistics? W3schools reports roughly equal market share for IE and Firefox: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a ... - scoobycarolan, on 11/12/2008, -0/+6Rule X: Beware the Digg Effect
- winry, on 11/12/2008, -0/+65. Obey the standards.
7. Use Internet Explorer as a baseline.
that's not possible at the same time - Chongo, on 11/12/2008, -0/+5I used to use that exact page when trying to explain to clients or team members what the market share is... HOWEVER you need to realize that the stats shown on that page are for visitors to w3schools.com itself, and not statistics for the "internet" as a whole.
it is a great resource though and combined with other such statistics you can still get a good idea of what's going on.
p.s. I only realized this when I got served old school by an IT dude for a very large power company when discussing developing their new site. - jnorris441, on 11/12/2008, -0/+4You lost me at 7. I was burned too many times...IMHO Firefox, then IE7, then IE 6 if you have time, because ***** those people.
- Peko, on 11/12/2008, -0/+4I vote for "Person who has a small web site that they more or less do themselves"
The tips were very general and kinda all purpose generic stuff. Not bad tips per se but yeah - that's really diluting the term "web developer" - PabloIV, on 11/12/2008, -0/+4Today I opened Digg and all the stories in the chunk of the page that I could see were about Science or Technology. I'm so happy the election's over.
- inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+3#19: ***** or GTFO.
- EliteByDesign, on 11/12/2008, -4/+7For sure - yet it is still widely understood that IE still constitutes a major portion of users...too bad eh?
- inactive, on 11/12/2008, -1/+4every week there is a new list of x # of tips for good web design. Do we not learn or something?
- stwest79, on 11/12/2008, -0/+3I completely agree... whoever builds with IE6 FIRST doesn't know what they're doing. You're not building for the future if you check you build your web site around a non-standards compliant browser.
- punterfpc, on 11/12/2008, -0/+3#19 - If the site you're developing has any kind of advanced javascript (i.e. practically every recent/useful/modern web-based tool) use Firefox with Firebug to develop your site because without Firebug you will likely go insane unless you write flawless code every time. Just thinking of developing on IE with its gross lack of a good javascript debugging tool, forces shivers down my spine. Develop on Firefox using standards compliant code then make it work in IE.
#20 - Conditional CSS is your friend. - 1longtime, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2I wish I could Digg you 50 times. IE6 must die.
- inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Front-End Web Developer is usually the term used to describe people who develop XHTML/CSS Code, while Backend Web Developer is the term used for people who program in PHP or incorporate a MySQL database. All in all, I guess "Web Developer" works all-around.
- encrypteduser, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Rule you should have followed. Don't use light grey text going into a light blue background. D'oH!
- EliteByDesign, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2IE only exists in large scale in the corporate world - people online at the workplace. At home, more and more people are switching to alternatives - Safari, FF, Opera, Chrome, etc.
- KDX200rider, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Well if you keep looking then...asked and answered.
- fuse13, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2flash/silverlight stuff is wonderful when used properly.
sadly, it is usually used so designers can make "cool" looking stuff. - Akairenn, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2No, you don't.
IE7 is much better, but IE6 was complete crap that would enable to you come up with things that display wonderfully in IE6, yet be horribly broken on any other browser. - jummy, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2It reminds me of this article that was published a couple of years ago. It has too many similarities, and some points are just 1:1-copied.
http://www.alvit.de/blog/article/20-rules-of-smart ... - awkwardnovice, on 11/12/2008, -2/+4“7. Use Internet Explorer as a baseline.”
Seriously?
No. No. No.
/facepalm
Professional designers develop using standards code as their baseline, targeting Gecko+WebKit.
Conditionals for IE6+
Buried. - statc, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Buried. Real web developers use window.status and frames.
- fuse13, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2Im not disagreeing with you, but isnt it completely pointless to make a post like that? You havent got a source and you havent tried to correct the figure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_wars
Wikipedia is telling me 72% as of august. Chrome has dropped since then, so I assume this has changed... - Dacos, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2I wanna start up my first ever website. Anyone got any tips for me?
- inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2***** IE especially 6. Work to the standards and ***** the rest.
I know, not everyone has the luxury of doing this but really, you have to try because it shouldn't be a luxury. - kcap122, on 11/12/2008, -0/+219. Animated GIFs convey technological sophistication, even more so than placing your navigation bar in a separate frame. Surfers these days like an uncomplicated, uncluttered interface, so stay away from new, unproven platforms like Javascript and Flash.
- fuse13, on 11/12/2008, -0/+2from your link:
"W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.
These facts indicate that the browser figures above are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users."
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a ...
i make public facing commercial sites for large corporates. most of my users are on ie. - PaulMassive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1But your relying on users to have JavaScript turned on at the end of the day...which you shouldnt.
- TheFarField, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Exactly. What users want is MULTIPLE popups. I you click a link, open the same page in at least 14 popups. Do not exceed 51 so as to not have users confuse it with a porn site
- sildude, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1A burning skull .gif is considered by many experts as the pinnacle of web design.
- Bronz, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1I was thinking that. This is more tailored to a blogger with a HTML for Dummies Book.
- Ivorydrive, on 11/12/2008, -1/+2As a web designer, I disagree with the whole idea of this article. After reading each one of these rules, ideas started popping into my head for interesting websites that would break each rule. Web design is an art and there should be no absolute "always do it this way" rules. People can follow advice and whatnot, but to say "nah, my idea won't work because it doesn't apply with rule #X" is a very bad idea.
- takai, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1How did this get on the front page? There is little information about the author of the blog and no evidence to support his/her method. Lame advice.
- inactive, on 11/15/2008, -0/+1bonjour that's not what "web standards" means. Look it up.
There's a search app somewhere called "google" which you can use to find this sort of info. - inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1bonjourmr that's a really backwards way of looking at it.
Design for the standards and then tweak what you need to. - inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Think of it like the pirate code - not so much rules as guidelines.
Know exactly what you mean though. - inactive, on 11/12/2008, -0/+1Or just develop to the standards and not worry too much about any particular browser.
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