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- somerandomnerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Out of curiosity, what's the point of using PHP if it's just reading text files? Why not just do it all in HTML?
...am I missing something obvious? - weirddave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11@super:
I agree with you, but you'll get better responses if you try not to act like a complete jerk. - GeeksAreSexy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11This guy spams his crap to all stories he diggs.
http://www.digg.com/users/alexjanda/news/commented - iceparrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Arch: Lots of people don't care about making a website that can handle being Dugg. The point of Wordpress isn't to make a high end, high traffic site, it's to make an easy to use blog that is simple to install (their preinstaller works great). More importantly, that it's easy to handle for multiple authors, most of whom don't know any html, and just simply want to be able to login, post a blog entry, easily add photos to it without a need for FTP, and publish something that looks fairly nice. I can put Wordpress up and anybody can make a nice looking post. For many purposes, (such as the VERY common family blog/gallery), Wordpress is a wonderful option, and certainly easier to use, regardless of it's efficiency.
However, I do agree with the point that if you want a high end, high hit website, you better be able to do some coding on your own, and have efficiency in mind first, rather than a nice interface. - Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8That is nice.
@Rubbb3X
Once something is in memory, the HDD doesn't need to read again. That is called caching. So before you start bashing, please understand how IIS/Apache work.
Thanks - berkes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5how about the #1 thing to do: validate. So that people can actually see the website? (using Konqueror nothnig shows up).
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.instigatorblog.com%2F10-things-you-must-do-when-changing-wordpress-themes%2F2007%2F01%2F15%2F - vrillusions, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@iceparrot
Exactly. One of the biggest things that would help someone out with a wordpress blog is to look into the caching plugins. I personally don't know of any by name, but I know they exist. While wordpress has built in caching of something like 15 mins, the catch is when someone posts a comment the cache for that page expires (after all, the content changed). So when people go to a blog that's dugg, all the "O NOES YOU HAF BIN DUGG'D!!11!one" comments will cause the page to get regenerated over and over again. The cache plugins can fix that.
People think that since they're site is hosted on a "blazing fast" t1 that it can handle a digg effect no problem. You really do get what you pay for. Digg.com isn't running a 9.99/mo hosting plan for a reason. - fatdog789, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5*cough* TechCrunch, and several other sites that appear on Digg with regularity (including, that god-awful LifeHacker site) use or have used WordPress with no problems when Dugg. TC still uses WP, dunno about LH.
The problem is not WP. The problem is the webhost's database server, which is usually not up to the task because a good many of the sites that get Dugg are on *shared-hosting* plans.
Sites which have good database servers can role with a Digg without a hiccup. The sites that don't....should turn on the cache plugin. - Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@iceparrot
You are totally right on that :)
But I'm pretty sure that with some caching turned on, WordPress would be more efficient and keep the most active story in memory instead of querying them through the DB - sahaskatta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@crgnetworks
sorry your getting dugg down, but i guess not many people know that joomla is another wordpress-like engine. - superbird, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you spend much time fiddling with the code you should check the theme author's coding style is nice and usable, I've abandoned several nice looking themes because they were just so frustrating. "Subtle" is one theme that springs to mind.
- Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@jgc7
An OS won't cache the files. Especially if they are dynamic like PHP or ASPX files. I see 2 places where they could be cached, WebServer (IIS/Apache) or by the environment that is running the web application.
Apache:
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/cache/
IIS:
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/24270/24270.html?Ad=1
So I'm not totally wrong. :D - Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This user is not findable anymore.
Banned? - tw0k1ngs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Ok, I'm going to attempt a question on the comment section... here goes:
Is there a universal "best" WordPress host? I checked wordpress.org, and they recommend "Blue Host", but I figured I would ask those who have true experience in blogging.
Looking for a "1&1" of WordPress. (I know, I know, you will disagree that 1&1 is the "best" host, but you get the jist) - rage2132, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have to agree that most themes do a stellar job maintaining previous changes under another theme.
But still a good read for the new blogger, especially with the post just stating some commonly used plugins / 3rd party programs (IE Google Analytics). - computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's with the digging down? He asked a question, we gave an answer!
The coupon code isn't my referral code either. It's just a generic coupon code. - nikkesen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It also helps if you keep the code tidy.
That means spacing out your code and using breaks as long as the syntax warrants it. This way, when you realise something isn't working and you have to go back and find out what you did wrong, you can see what you did. Fail, that, you can use comment delimiters so you know where you changed something, keeping the old code commented out. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1belongs in software
- Jjcd7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use modhost, and it works great. It has CPanel too, which is my favorite part about it.
- topopardo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, besides the wordpress-static HTML flame, I think that the article has good points. For example, when I changed my theme, I checked for the plugins, RSS feeds... but forgot about the Analytics tracking script. This goes directly to del.icio.us for future reference!
- jgc7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@archangel
Apache/IIS typically don't cache dynamically generated pages. File caching happens in the OS. So before you start bashing, please understand how an OS works. - Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://dammit.lt/2006/03/25/wordpress-sql-query-review/
This guy use WordPress and made a small analysis of the request that are made by WordPress to the database. I think we can stop shouting that:
-It's the server
-No cache are done
-etc...
Or whatever you feel like.
This app is badly optimized and they should try to update it a little bit. - Indecision, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ah, I just got out of quite the ordeal with Blue Host. I had a site I'd been working on for a non-profit, that was supposed to go "live" on Jan 1st. Had a bit of work to finish up over the weekend leading up to it, so I cleared my schedule and took the 2nd and 3rd as paid vacation from my day job (already had the 1st off), so I could have a little "me time" after.
Well, on the evening of Friday the 29th, the server I was hosted on went down hard. And to make a long story short, it was *still* down when BlueHost's entire staff went home for the holiday, including their "24/7" "unrivaled" support. I had a ticket open from Saturday afternoon until Monday morning when their support decided to stroll back in. I asked them about it on the phone, too. Yes, they said, we have 24/7 support, and yes, there's people who stay to work on problems even on holidays. So I asked where they were over New Years. The guy didn't have a good answer for that.
I got the permission of the non-profit to not only transfer the hosting away from them, but also to transfer domain registrars, which I did at my personal expense, just to not have to deal with BlueHost's so-called "superb/reliable" and "customer focused" support again. - Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@somerandomnerd:
You could use a database to index where your text-file are and generate links to those pages. That doesn't transfer the whole content back and forth through the DB and the Website but only a path and maybe some internal id.
That's the basic of efficient Database driven website. Believe me, putting all your content in the DB might sound great at first but you can trust me that at one point (70,000 hits from Digg for example?) the bandwidth available starts to go down. - jgc7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@archangel
I can't see the windows link, but the apache link you have provided all refers to CLIENT side caching! What do you think sending an "expires" header does?
Please google: linux file cache. Read about VFS, inode cache, etc.
Yes, you are totally confused. - Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Man... rated as lamed. sorry but if I had to make a blog... I wouldn't use WordPress. How many times have we seen it crash under digg pressure? I mean... it wasn't the server that wasn't running properly. Everytime that there is a WordPress digg... I know I'll have to wait 2 days before being able to see the post.
So sorry guys... This software might be nice but I agree with superpotential. text-file driven blog are probably more easy to run. Honestly, I'm a programmer and I could make a more stable minimalist blog in C# in under a day. So... sorry. Wordpress is lame by definition. WordPress can't even handle a little bit of traffic through Digg. - startupprincess, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Great info, I will share with my designer who is revamping and redesigning our blogsite for women entrepreneurs. thanks!
- NanoStuff, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Is there a universal "best" WordPress host?"
I've never used WordPress, are you not able to install it on just about any host, much like other server side applications? - Arch4ngel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@jimmygoon
Okay. Let's assume it's the server. Why all the WordPress posted on Digg get crashed at 100 comments and can't even last longer than that?
I'm not talking about 1 or 2 times. I'm talking about all the freakin WordPress blog can't be seen once they hit the frontpage and sometimes they can't be captured by DuggMirror.
The servers? Not sure of that dude. The only reasons I would see would be a "not properly configured" WordPress. And about this CMS thingy, I was running one. They don't make that much SQL request if they are configured properly and have caching turned on (which reduce database access on most pages).
So...it's still the server? That for me doesn't make any sense. - computerdude33, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I use DreamHost for my WP blog, and they work great. Very simple to get up and running.
If you want a coupon code, 9999 will get you $99.99 off any plan (I think... I've never actually used the code) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@iceparrot
you're right, a lot of people don't care to make a website that can handle it. but here and there, somebody is going to write some good content and it IS going to get dugg. and it pisses off the website owner when that happens.
seriously, most combinations of affordable hosting plans/hardware/software cannot handle a wordpress blog being dugg. it's not digg's fault for digging websites. you can't blame the majority of people for only being able to afford cheap servers or hosting. the real solution is to make better use of typical resources, in other words, "dont use wordpress". there are far more efficient ways of running blogs than MySQL for the typical feature set people want.
it's like running enterprise mainframe-grade oracle to search an e-mail address book on a PDA. it's silly. - nikkesen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I think you should go with 1&1.
1 - the most basic plan was about $4.95 and includes 2 domains, email, PHP, a handful of MySQL DBs, excellent monthly bandwidth allowance, as well as other bells and whistles
2 - I have been using it since November 2006, and my boyfriend had been using it for three years before then and we've been happy with their service
3 - Who cares what WordPress recommends. You should get the provider you want. - forchilli, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1you dont need to do any of that ***** if you dont change the codes.
i change my theme alot. and it never changes anything, its still normal.
zakkforchilli.wordpress.com looks fine i change it alll day - crgnetworks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2agreed 100%
Another annoying thing is when someone tries to make full website out of that crap blog software. use a real CMS if your going to get more than 10 hits a day. - crgnetworks, on 10/12/2007, -16/+610 easy steps? forget that:
http://www.joomla.org
Problem solved. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -17/+4mistaken. i often get over 10,000 hits a day. my server has been linked to from the front page of slashdot twice, each time driving over 70,000 hits in one day. my hardware? 300 Mhz, 192MB of RAM.
how does it work? i don't run ***** mysql. when people load the page, it reads all the data out of a text file. it's fast, doesn't have a huge memory footprint, and just works.
100% XML-free on the back end.
100% database-free.
100% SQL-free.
100% all stupid management-type acronym-free.
100% pure PHP and text files.
for something that doesn't need a search feature, it's really the way to do things if you want to make the most of your hardware. wordpress is ***** for a blog that only needs the simple posting and comment type features. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -24/+4wordpress is a crotch full of *****. why can't you use plain HTML and PHP to do your crap? why do you need MySQL to do a damn blog? my blog is 100% text-file driven and it works great. to move to a new server, all i have to do is copy my files. no creating new databases, no configurations of crap, no installing mysql, nothing else.
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