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- directedition, on 10/11/2007, -5/+59Politics for the MTV generation.
- vann, on 10/11/2007, -37/+69This video is artfully directed but you have to realize it's absolute propaganda. It even uses the Soviet constructivist style.
100% agitprop, folks. - Founding, on 10/11/2007, -14/+45i love that this pops up ever 3 months or so
- VoraciousPanda, on 10/11/2007, -13/+43@flazz
the facts? i didn't see too many facts in this video.
the video tries to shape the viewer's opinion about America instead of convincing the viewer that such an opinion is true with clear evidence. it's a lot of empty talk and fear mongering.
i like the graphics and have no problem with criticizing America and its government but this video just seems like scheming eye candy. - wedderburn, on 10/11/2007, -8/+34The Project for the New American Century, http://www.newamericancentury.org/ does exist its basically like a American supremacy group as for war mongering count how many conflicts the world has had and then see how many America(including weapons supplying and assassinations) has been involved in compared to other 1st world countries.
- Zedizdead, on 10/11/2007, -17/+34It's amazing how were are such a horrible country, yet everybody wants to live here.
- realyst, on 10/11/2007, -7/+20Beautifully done, regardless of what you believe.
I happen to agree with some aspects of it, but still, I really admire the presentation. - tafkaz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I agree about the animation. Dugg for that, not for the fear mongering.
- jimT, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19Since the Bush administration took over the Canadian immigration office has been receiving thousands of request every week from Americans wanting to move to Canada. Not only people don't want to move in, the ones in want to move out!
- mmockett, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12They were smart enough to get elected. The stupidest thing you can do is underestimate those in power.
- bortis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10@DirkBelig...
You keep resorting to the idea that the video presents "lies". Which lies exactly are you referring to? You don't dispute the existence of the PNAC or its stated aims, I'm certain, as they are quite public. You also, I would assume, don't have issue with the idea that Iraq was a target long before 911, as that fact has been clearly shown to be true and is hardly controversial. That Richard Cheney and his current white house boss have fascist tendencies is probably something of an overstatement but, as has been made abundantly clear over the last 8 years, they clearly have no hard-on for democratic principles. Given their unapologetic surveillance of citizens, their lusting after torture and sado-masochism in their dealing with prisoners, their ignoring of legal process, their suspicious if not illegal election activities, and the deceitful way in which they marched the nation's army into an unwinnable war in Iraq the ideological tendencies of this particular group of thinkers seems to have been set out in the clear light of day. I think that you are perhaps looking too hard for lies in the wrong places and not hard enough on the right. - Zedizdead, on 10/11/2007, -12/+21"And the reason this fits right in with the stories on digg is that digg has been hijacked by Anti-Conservative propagandists."
I would say Anti-American. And it's sad to say that most of them live right here. - Nfcknblvbl, on 10/11/2007, -9/+17http://thatvideosite.com/view/664.html
- nick111, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Is that before or after Iraq hits us with their WMD?
Stop fear-mongering *****.
The simple truth is, that the people who have taken over America have been flirting with fascism, and 1/2 the country went along with it.
I can remember seeing pictures of WWII, concentration camps, lines of starving refugees, people being hanged etc etc when I was at school - and it seemed unimagineable. How could anyone do this? Looking around and seeing society in the 70s it seemed utterly unimagineable how a normal peaceful society could get to the point where people were happy and willing to commit attrocities... or at least go along for the ride, pretending it wasn't happening.
Now it doesn't seem so hard. Now the problem is more to do with stopping it happening again... because we're seeing the same ugly faces re-appearing, the same excuses, the same lies.
To be honest, Russia disturbs me slightly more than the US on this one - The US is still in a number of ways very liberal and progressive - and the majority of the people hate what's happening to it. In Russia there have been a couple of incidents of Nazi youth groups rioting and beating up homosexuals etc - while the police just stand by. This kind of thug-caste with if not covert state collusion, then tollerance, is a lot more disturbing in my opinion. The Neocon thing could well turn out to be an aberation.
Don't pretend you're being threatened though. That's *****. - nitroburn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9@thcobbs You don't need to be a genius to be a figure head. As the video points out, Bush isn't the primary supporter of PNAC and isn't the brains of the plan.
Also, "I love how they made the 9-11 attacks into an attempt to stop America's evil world domination campaign."
That is how part of the world views it. - dogstylee, on 10/11/2007, -4/+10Dugg for writing your own description and not copy&pasting the text accompanying the movie.
- fluoro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8"It's not America that has the problems, it's the Bush administration."
As much as we'd all love to believe that, it's unfortunately not true. The problems being discussed are larger than just the Iraq invasion and occupation. US aggression has existed constantly in the past 60 years, and as much as we would love to just blame Bush for everything we can't. Kennedy, Reagan, Bush Sr., even Clinton. - Moocat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Artistic interest step beyond the petty bounds of right and left wing. One man's garbage is another man's treasure. Hell, Nazi material is a collected, valuable piece of art nowadays. And not everyone lives in the USA or in any country it might care to invade/bomb/replace with it's own governmental structure because it's "better" :)
- fluoro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7"I don't, and none of the European people I know do either."
I have friends here in the US who are from all over the world, including MANY from Europe. To name a few countries that they have come from: Sweden, Norway, England, Belgium, France, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Albania, Poland, Czech.
And of course I'm glad to have them here. But although my country has problems, please don't get some snobby we're-too-good-for-you kind of attitude. It's not productive to any discussion. I dislike the Imperialism of my government, but I still love my country. And if European Imperialism were still as large as it was just a few decades ago, you might be saying the same thing. - thestud, on 10/11/2007, -7/+12this is just sick.. my god.. could somebody please pick up a book and read about how horrible totalitarianism, fascism, and communism is. Not one damm person has lost rights that is commenting on this! yet right now 25 million people have a chance of freedom, it is tough.. but at least they have a chance. Bush is leaving the white house in 2 years, what then, who will be your next boogie man?
you know what a liberal is? is when arrogance meets ignorance. - fluoro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Okay, sorry.. I sort of overreacted. :)
- chrisldenton, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Well.... it looks like you completely missed my point. Read my post again. I did not say that everything that they do can be blamed on America, or even that the terrorist attacks can be blamed on America. There are some horrible things happening in some countries. I agree 100% with that. My point was that they have good reason for hating us. And they do. If you actually read what I said, I said several times that you could not justify their actions (including their acts of tyranny against their own people), all I said is that we gave them a reason to hate us, and maybe we should examine that. You, on the other hand, seem to feel that the fact that bad things happen in tyranny (and that most of the current oppressive regimes claim to be devout muslims) means that we have every right to do whatever the hell we want. As someone else has already pointed out, many of these countries did not have these oppressive regimes in place forty years ago, and that is something worth looking into. Take Iran for example. They had a DEMOCRATICALLY elected government that was overthrown by a CIA-backed coup in 1953 (look up the info for yourself, its all declassified and not hard to find). The US-backed government was oppressive and was autocratic. This lead to feelings of alienation and anger which the ayatollah kohmeni was able to capitalize on to get popular support for his 1979 revolution. Does that mean that anything that an Iranian does is the fault of the US? NO. But it is worth remembering that we sent in motion the chain of events that led to the current Iranian government being in power. A very similar story could be told about the majority of the middle east (including Iraq). The only regime that we have not created through our imperialism is actually the most oppressive regime in the world. It is our allies, Saudi Arabia. So next time you start your rant against Islamo-fascism and the human-rights horrors taking place, remember our good friends the Saudis.
- Adamande, on 10/11/2007, -13/+18I don't, and none of the European people I know do either. The USA is currently a police state not worth our DNA. We mainly feel sorry for American citizens and a dead American democracy.
- fluoro, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8@DirkBelig:
"Only people ignorant of the roots of Islamofascism and brainwashed by the suicidal ideologies of liberalism and multiculturalism would fall for such specious codswallop."
Stop using the word "Islamofascism". If you actually take a moment to look at what it would mean, you would realize that it's -completely- incorrect. Fascism is centralized state control, which is pretty much the opposite of the Islamic resistance movement. "Fascism" much more accurately describes the US if you were going to try to use it.
"Islamofascism" is just some word that was invented to try to make Americans hate Muslims more. I disagree with the things that happen in the name of Islam also, but please stop using that word. - thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -10/+15I love how they made the 9-11 attacks into an attempt to stop America's evil world domination campaign.
- fluoro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6@DirkBelig:
"Islam commands that infidels be converted, subjugated (i.e. dhimmi) or killed. End of story. What the dupes of Chomsky's rhetoric fail to do is understand that radical Islam doesn't just hate America for freedom, it hates EVERYTHING that doesn't bow before the sword of Islam. These medieval bastards are trying to resurrect the Caliphate - read: put out the lights of Western civilization - and instead of trying to figure out why these people are so eager to die for this goal, you gaze at your navels and wonder what you did to offend them?"
I don't dispute that there are Muslims like this, but I'm still not sure I agree with you on the next part:
"You say we should analyze why they attack us, but in doing so, you ignore the laundry list of attacks that radical Islamofascists have made that CAN'T BE BLAMED ON AMERICAN IMPERIALISM!!!!"
The thing is, Islam wasn't this radical a few decades ago. In particular, Iran has plunged much deeper into religious fundamentalism than it was not so long ago. Why is that? Is it, perhaps, because we're constantly threatening them? There are Islamic countries that we don't consider to be so crazy and fundamentalist, but it happens that we've allowed them to integrate more into the world economy than others. Is it a coincidence that the crazy fundamentalists all happen to be in the other repressed countries? I happen to have a few Palestinian friends who have told me their impression. They say the general impression in the east is that America is trying to destroy Islam and destroy their countries, which is funny because that's exactly what Americans are being told about them.
Even funnier is that this is pretty much what we were being told about the Soviet Union during the Cold War.. that they had massive numbers of nukes pointing at us and were going to blow us up at any moment. Except that now we know the numbers were greatly inflated and we know from the Freedom of Information Act that this was a well-known fact in the US government and they were deliberately deceiving us to make us believe the threat was worse than it was. - piradians, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@thcobbs
Time to whip the dictionary out and look up the definition of figurehead.
Idiotic figurehead is a perfectly apt and noncontradictory description for Bush. - fluoro, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5@thehud1:
"Only Communists believe that. And what is the record of communists? How about the fact that they murdered more people in the last century than all the wars of that century combined? How about the fact that all of the world's totalitarian regimes are socialist/communist?"
Wait, what the ***** are you talking about? This has nothing to do with communists. And it's sort of unfair to say "communists murdered more people..." when it's more precise to limit that calculation to the Soviet Union. Stalin's actions were not really -because- he was a communist.
So, what country would come in second place behind the Soviet Union? I'm not sure, but I would imagine that the US would come in (not sure how distant) second place if you added up all the deaths that have come out of US aggression in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Panama, Nicaragua, Iraq, Cuba, and our support of aggression in East Timor, Palestine, Turkey, Columbia, Kosovo, Lebanon, and probably others that I can't think of off the top of my head.
So while the old Soviet Union might be beating us, I suspect that we're the most violent country still surviving now from the past century. Most of the time this aggression is preemptive rather than reactionary, and it is for the purpose of "protecting our interests". As an American, I'm not satisfied by that rationale and I want to live in a country that lives up to the moral ideals that we claim to uphold. If "protecting our interests" were to mean "surviving" then that's one thing, but I think it means "ensuring that we're the richest, even if that means killing everyone else". - ScrumFritter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5It'll all sort itself out in the end, I'm sure. And I won't even have to do anything, since I quite luckily don't live in America! Yay me!
- BESTenemy, on 10/11/2007, -11/+15So which garbage do you believe? Indulge us.
- dondara, on 10/11/2007, -5/+9Hardly slander against the USA. But how far fetched is it? Lots of American companies make a lot of money waging war. Makes perfect business sense to back a candidate that will help you sell WMD's and you can plunder the defeated(Bonus!). It's always a case of follow the money and the money leads to corrupt leaders and their frat buddies ***** it all up for the rest of us.
We're just grease for their gears. - quakerob, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4There was a poll conducted several years ago (pre 9/11) asking Australians to "rank nations in order of potential threat to Australia". The US ranked higher than Indonesia, China, or North Korea.
You may not want to accept it but this is how a lot of the world sees the US now. - chrisldenton, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Okay.... if you would actually listen to what us "koolaid drinking America-haters" are saying, then you might realize that it is out of our deep LOVE for America and what it stands for that we say these things. You are arguing a false point! No one is justifying these acts of tyranny and murder that you mention, and Noam Chomsky is certainly not justifying 9/11. It is, however, possible to say that while the terrorist acts of 9/11 were horrendous, unjustifiable, and evil, maybe these people have good reason for hating us. Saying that they have reason to hate America (other than "they hate freedom") is not the same as saying that they are justified in their actions. Maybe if we spent more time analyzing why so many people are willing to commit horrendous acts against us, and really looked at our mistakes (again I'm not saying that our mistakes justify terrorism), then we may see an end to this. If we continue to kill more people and occupy more countries in response, we will never see an end. All we are doing with our current strategy is ensuring that an entire generation of people will hate us.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Dissent != Treason
- guismo, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4what was this? an avalanche of rednecks trying to digg down everything that was not directly against this video?
the situation up there in the beginining of the comments is disgusting. So now stupid americans are gathering here to try and digg down anti-fascism content? - incabulos, on 10/11/2007, -6/+9I've seen a few parrots spout off the neo-con party-line "talking points" already, but every single one of them has failed to even address the issue: war corporatism. Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, etc. are so powerful an influence on the economic, social, and political levels that they can CAUSE wars, which in turn makes them even more powerful. So, do tell me how this is a good thing? Cheers.
- Jjjakal, on 10/11/2007, -17/+20I love this style of animation, very well stated. Loved it.
- fluoro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3"No worries, dude. I'm just concerned about you. I used to live in the States and have a lot of friends there, and to be honest your current administration scares the ***** out of me."
They scare the ***** out of me too. But I'm more frightened by how everyone here seems to not approve of them, but is at the same time unwilling to do anything about it. The recent decision by Congress regarding the "war" funding is a good case in point. wtf. We elect them to end the war, and they decide to do... the exact opposite? *****. - shadowofapuddle, on 10/11/2007, -9/+12It's not America that has the problems, it's the Bush administration.
- thcobbs, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Haha...
"George Bush is a Chimp and an Idiot to boot"
"Bush is the public figurehead of a secret group that is engineering world domination for the corporations of America"
Come on people... you can't have it both ways. - Wyek, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4The only thing that we know, it's that the USA want to control the world... and they proove many times that they can't....
- flashmonk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3the fact that this video incites this much ranting now is great since it's at least 3 years old!! imagine what people said - err - typed then...
- Hohenheim, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Hey, Godwin's Law!
- bsiviglia9, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4"The Project for the New American Century, http://www.newamericancentury.org/ does exist its basically like a American supremacy group as for war mongering count how many conflicts the world has had and then see how many America(including weapons supplying and assassinations) has been involved in compared to other 1st world countries."
Aren't most of the members part of Bush's cabinet right now? - incabulos, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7I'm mostly curious in writing this question, so forgive me if I seem a bit severe. To those who disagree with the video, why is War Corporatism a good thing?
- Adamande, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6Tuba, I don't think I said I knew ALL European people. Strawman argumentation is a bit lame.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I agree that the US is being far too aggressive on the world stage, but suggesting that the US would invade France or Britain is so far beyond ludicrous it's obscene.
- wootup, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I love how hundreds of thousands of people have already died as a direct result of the neoconservatives' machinations in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet so many people here are accusing this video of "fear-mongering". I mean, there are thousands of people around the world fighting and dying in opposition to the US government's plans, but a video that quickly articulates the main players and their motivations is "fear-mongering"? Get a grip on reality, we're playing for keeps here.
- labmouse42, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@zedizdead
"I would say Anti-American. And it's sad to say that most of them live right here."
So basically your saying, if you question your government, then you must hate your country.
Thats called a false dilemma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma - Badtastic, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6No doubt well done and creatively presented, stunning bit of After Effects work there..... looks cool indeed.....a hint of that urban, art gallery techno music.....that calm BBC(ish) male voice....yep, its working....
We're lapping it up like milk MTV style.
Congratulations, you've just been bought in under 3 minutes! -
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