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- Waiting2awake, on 01/18/2008, -30/+229Science deals with observable reactions. It then tries to deduce the reason for the reactions. Claiming an invisible spirit, or soul, caused it you are leaving science and entering into mystical spiritualism. Did God, or Jesus, or Shiva, or Krishna do it?
Nah - gravity did it.
That said though, there should be no conflict between religion and science. One deals with observable items, the other with internal matters.
At least IMO. - brentinkc, on 01/18/2008, -28/+219This poor man is obviously not aware of the Flying Spaghetti Monster bishop to E6 block! It's foolproof!
- themanipulator, on 01/18/2008, -31/+175I really don't understand why people on digg are so obsessed with bashing "Believers" and Atheists... who cares? really?... if the guy sitting next to you believes in God, and that belief is causing you no harm, leave his beliefs alone, unless you are both willing to have a meaningful discussion of your fundamental differences in beliefs... The same goes the other way... "Believers" [usually on digg it's Christians, but w/e] shouldn't try to convince someone to turn to God unless the other person is willing to engage in respectful conversation...
Seriously... stop bashing "Believers" or Atheists as one whole group or another.
It's perfectly reasonable to publish articles about the stupid things that extremists like the WBC and Scientology and [*insert extremist atheistic group-- i honestly don't know one... and I'm Christian, but w/e*].
Just stop carpet bombing people who have different beliefs with your hatred. - brentinkc, on 01/18/2008, -21/+125Exactly. So, Jimmy, you're willing to admit that it's possible that a bowl of spaghetti created the universe and controls everything in it, including you?
- JlmAWP, on 01/18/2008, -32/+133On the other hand, religious individuals have a reputation for manipulating words, lessons, and teachings of the Bible to suit their needs in an argument. The issue isn't with either group of people, or their attitude in an argument. It's the information and evidence we have to work with that does it. In science, there is very little wiggle room with most data, and further results can be investigated to further influence analysis and conclusions. You know, logic and the quest for knowledge. With religion, it's just the same ol' stuff every time....nothing new. The quest for feeling good about your life and the decisions you make.
Oh yeah, and it was all written over 2000 years ago. If that's not rock-solid, I don't know what is. *eyeroll* - inactive, on 01/18/2008, -3/+72I am not so sure the comic was direct specifically at religion. Aren't their just as many 'believers' out there they believe in astrology, homeopathy, ghosts, visiting aliens, etc. that won't listen to reason?
- JlmAWP, on 01/18/2008, -13/+80I very clearly said it wasn't the individuals. Don't spin that like a Fox correspondent would.
Scientists lie to get funding for further results and to improve the human condition and to further our species, rarely for themselves. It isn't their fault that the government likes to buy bombs more than finding cures for cancer. Context is key here.
Global warming is a special case in science, since it is not within our human abilities to predict the future. We don't know if this would have happened had humans never industrialized, so it's hard to know whether or not we are causing these environmental changes. Plus, the scale at which this is happening is beyond our ability to analyze it. In either case, both sides Global Warming are backed by statistics, research, actual recorded and documented (and sometimes filmed) data and evidence.
The interesting thing about Global Warming, though, is that there are symptoms....actual SIGNS that it could be happening. Mudslides, extreme weather, CO2 count, glacial melting, and intensity of UV rays are able to be experienced by any human on earth, should they choose to seek it out. They can get readings on it, they can lose their homes from it, and they can be killed by it. It's REAL. Very real. Jesus in a tree, or Mary on a grilled cheese are the two most recent convincing signs of the existence of the, or a, god. Even 250,000,000 individuals all claiming different experiences that can't be watched or documented, but only FELT, cannot find a more recent common ideal or principle to base their faith on. You'd think out of that many people (in our country alone, mind you), there would be some sort of unifying experience or recent event that would make everyone agree. The only one that exists is a book. One book...that has been revised more times than Michael Jackson has had surgery, each rendition with a little bit more influence for A or B thrown in for good measure. - ggnictee, on 01/18/2008, -5/+54Actualy the comic doesn't mention religion at all and seems to me more like arguing on the interent then arguing with (at least) the people i go to church with.
But since i enjoy writing this rant so much, if you will indulge me:
theology/philosophy are completely different then science. In how they should be approached, argued and what they should be used for.
I think the idea that there is some kind of disagreement between Genesis and Evolution is dumb. Why and how are two different words.
If physics follows rules, and chemistry follows certain rules, why can't evolution? Is God not smart enough to make rules by which life could run itself (as though it were given some kind of free-will?)
I am a Christian and a scientist. There is no conflict. To create one so that you can get elected is not just stupid but bordering on blasphemy.
The stories in Genesis have, for the last few thousand years, been considered to be just that, stories. A way of showing God's power and love, and explaining and defining our relationship to God. It is only very recently (about the same time the church started to lose political power, curiously enough) that the idea that science is a threat to God began to grow.
Many early scientists were monks. It was the fact that science posed a political threat to the church that we have this nonsensical fight. It has nothing to do with Science or God. I wish both sides would stop accusing the other of being dumb, ignorant, hateful, etc, etc, etc.
For Christians: it's against your religion. You are commanded by God himself to love one another.
For scientists: just keep doing science (it works) eventually everyone will accept repeatable experiments. be patient, they'll get there. - brentinkc, on 01/18/2008, -16/+63Sorry to interrupt you guys' circle jerk, but that "evidence" you keep referring to is evidence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, not your "Christian God". Sorry to burst your bubble.
- RocketSeason, on 01/18/2008, -20/+64I am very religious, and I am also very aware of The rules of the natural world. Both of those can exist within a person simultaneously very easily. God and Science go hand in hand.
Its not a battle against religion, its simply a battle against ignorance. - geometry, on 01/18/2008, -5/+47At least everything learned in science can be questioned and tested. The same can't be said about religion. Most religions teach "truths" that must be accepted without the ability to test, and if you question these "truths" you're going straight to hell. If a scientist tried to tell us a fact but said we can't question it or test it ourselves nobody would take him seriously.
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -10/+50The difference, if you couldn't figure it out, is that scientists work with data that can be verified and proven. They also use a process called "peer review" to ensure their work is looked over by people with a clue.
The "religious" types lack that basic fact checking ability, and in fact insist that checking the facts violates their religion.
Get a clue. - DeadSkinMask, on 01/18/2008, -7/+43God made me an Athiest. Who are you to question his wisdom?
- Terr01, on 01/18/2008, -10/+45"he problem with atheistic science is that it starts with the assumption that God either doesn't exist or doesn't have any noticeable effect on the universe"
Please tell me exactly how you would make an empirical test for this, thanks. - loopis, on 01/18/2008, -7/+41Arguing this issue will get you nowhere. Trying to learn why the other person thinks the way they do would be a better served approached. In my experience non believers are more curious in learning all the facts including those perceived religious related facts from others. The end game for a non believer (again in my experience) is not change the other persons mind but to share ideas and learn. I think believers are more aggressive with trying to save all the non believers, hence the arguing beings.
- entrophize, on 01/18/2008, -10/+42RIP Bobby Fischer.
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -4/+35You called?
- badenglishihave, on 01/18/2008, -10/+38It's funny cause he thinks it's checkers.
- RocketSeason, on 01/18/2008, -9/+37I am a Christian and I absolutely believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster theroy. True Christians don't try to define God. He is beyond human understanding. For all I know (or care) he could very well be a bowl of spaghetti created the universe and controls everything in it.
As a Christian, I love and worship my pasta-faced god. - Stupidumb, on 01/18/2008, -2/+28*****, once religion and science are mentioned, people start writing essays.
No point in arguing anymore, people will never agree. I'll sum everything up.
If you believe, even slightly, in any religion, others will think they are insane people who believe in magic and dragons.
If you don't believe in anything religious, the religious will think you're closed-minded and screwed for not believing.
Have fun. - JK1150, on 01/18/2008, -5/+31this comic is racist.
- PleaseJustDie, on 01/18/2008, -7/+32The only problem I have with many theists is that so many use circular logic to explain things. They say things like everything happens for a reason. Then when you ask about a 18 month old being killed by his babysitter swinging him around in a sleeping bag and bashing him against the wall, what reason did that happen for? You get "God works in mysterious ways." Why is it god works in mysterious ways when something bad happens?
I've always found that the simple and obvious answer is usually the correct answer. And the simple and obvious answer is that religion was created as a means to control people. If there is some all powerful being and a heaven, being let into it wouldn't be based on you believing the 1 correct religion, what "merciful" and "benevolent" god would create a rule that would doom 95% of the world's population? No I think its much more likely that when people mostly couldn't read, were born to look forward to nothing in life but working the land for someone else that its easier to control them if they believe that by wasting this life they have something in the next life better.
Whether or not that means a "God" doesn't exist, I don't know. I have no evidence to say he doesn't exist and there are some books that claim miracles that could be used as evidence that he does. However David Copperfield performs "miracles" as well, we just know he's fake. Would we have known he was fake if he said he wasn't and did it 100 years ago? 1000 years ago? - inactive, on 01/18/2008, -13/+36JS: "It is the atheist who demands that ALL possibilities must be naturalistic and demands that the supernatural realm not even be considered."
Yes, Spaz, we atheists generally prefer to concentrate on explanations that don't involve magic. I was so surprised to see The Spaz get ANY point correct in one of his rants, I felt it deserved to be highlighted. Congrats, Spaz.Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally. - Zlorp, on 01/18/2008, -31/+53the problem is that on a large scale these peoples "beliefs" DO cause harm to society. the mindset that religion requires leaves people open to being controled by someone who exploits what they believe.
- tattertech, on 01/18/2008, -4/+25But your opinion doesn't match many peoples. Many people believe religion deals in both material and immaterial things.
- Stupidumb, on 01/18/2008, -2/+23I agree with you, but, there is a problem. In my experience, Atheists can't accept that Believers are able to accept both religion and science. Not all of them, but most, seem to think that if you believe, you are a crack head zombie, who takes the Bible literally and doesn't believe in electricity. The Creationists aren't helping the matter. Know this, not all Believers are creationists.
- boxybrzown, on 01/18/2008, -2/+21It's because his user icon is a cross.
- sundancekid503, on 01/18/2008, -0/+19Tom Cruise
- UltraPenguinX, on 01/18/2008, -3/+22Buried for just being ridiculous flamebait.
- plhearn, on 01/18/2008, -2/+20I wish all Christians shared your outlook.
- Linzee82, on 01/18/2008, -4/+22Okay. Yes, we are great. Thanks for the compliment.
- petebert, on 01/18/2008, -0/+18the following subjects will automatically make front page - Pro apple, iAnything, steve jobs, linux, ron paul, atheism, Wii, nerdism and anything containing NSFW. These will also make the front page anti microsoft, vista, christianity, blackwater, every republican other then RP and police tasers.
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -3/+20We don't build huge churches and go to them just so we look like we are "good" people. What a huge waste of land that could be used for home owners or legitimate businesses.....
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -2/+19I can see how the fact that we aren't sure as to the exact age of the galaxy means that it was caused by magic. It's all so clear to me now.
- infinity777, on 01/18/2008, -21/+38Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
-Epicurus - hanmik, on 01/18/2008, -6/+22Why is this statement getting dugg down? Do you not like the statement or don't believe he is correct?
- mOdQuArK, on 01/18/2008, -1/+17Which leads the non-religious (who supposedly base their worldview on physical observations) to believe that those people are morons...
- KDAY12, on 01/18/2008, -4/+20You know, it amazes me. The bigotry I see on digg against ALL believers in God is often so much more severe than that of the Christians and religious people. People make a comment about the FSM, write of an entire group of people as not critical thinking, illogical, and unscientific, and claim for themselves the intellectual high ground because they can regurgitate a few comments they read somewhere on the internet. It is sad and pathetic how frequent it is that these people resort to degrading an entire group of people for the sake of their own pride.
If these people could look past their own smugness and hatred, they could find men of faith who are some of the world's leading intellectuals. Take for instance Gerald Schroeder, a devout Jewish man and nuclear physicist at MIT, who has witnessed the detonation of 5 nuclear bombs. Or Dr. William Lane Craig, a Christian philosopher who travels around debating the head of philosophy departments of our nation's most prestigious University about why it is logical to believe in God, with the intent of encouraging the dialog that this new bigoted brand of atheism forbids. Read some of the transcripts. At the very least, I would hope it would snap you out of your limited world view that polarizes everyone and conveniently places yourself at the top.
Here is a link to a number of Dr. Craig's debates: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/deb ... - lydecker, on 01/18/2008, -5/+21The supernatural realm, if it exists, is beyond our current capability to understand. Science interprets things in ways we can understand, and it seems that believers who go against science interpret things as "Because God made it so." Neither explains anything, but at least science looks to understand.
If one believes in God, he should believe he made a universe with universal laws that we can deduce through science. - inkswamp, on 01/18/2008, -8/+23My friend, you need only look at some of the recent comments from religious folks on Digg to see how completely some religious people fail to understand atheism. The comic points out the fact that religious people cannot step outside their usual structure of viewing things as a belief system (i.e., a game of checkers) to see that what they're viewing simply isn't the same game. An excellent example is the constant insistence that atheism is a religion which I see here on Digg and elsewhere, including in real life, and have heard for many years. That is the crowning glory of ignorance from religious people on this topic. Until that assumption disappears, this comic, whether insulting or not, is pretty damn accurate, from what I can see.
- ThE0eNiGmA, on 01/18/2008, -6/+21I thought it said somewhere in the Bible that man was created in "his" image. I don't know about you, but I don't look like a bowl of spaghetti.
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -4/+19I, for one, will now begin all scientific endeavors with the understanding that our universe is NOT laid flat on the back of a giant tortoise. This will help my studies immensely.
- jmkiii, on 01/18/2008, -5/+20You bought one of those Jump to Conclusions mats, didn't you?
- DrywallThief, on 01/18/2008, -4/+18/bow
- jmkiii, on 01/18/2008, -5/+19The only presuppositions made in science are that our observations are at least somewhat accurate.
- XandraX, on 01/18/2008, -10/+24Why are atheists so desperate to push their point of view? This site is becoming reeeeaally boring with the constant hatred of anyone who isn't an atheist evolutionist linux-loving Ron Paul supporter.
Get a life. - falstaff, on 01/18/2008, -2/+16So you contend the galaxy is less than 10k years old. This means either:
a) Stars can spontaneously go supernova within 10k years of creation at an alarmingly high rate, and we have no guarantee than our sun will be around tomorrow.
b) God created a galaxy of mature stars, some of which have gone nova over the past 10k years.
For the sake of continued argument with myself, I'll assume you believe in B.
We also know the speed of light, and that we can detect objects further away than 10k light-years. So I hope it's safe to assume that God created a galaxy with light already traveling toward Earth so that we can "see" things farther away than we should be able to see. On the same page still?
So God creates a mature galaxy with light already bouncing around where it shouldn't be. Just to fool us all? OK, I shouldn't question WHY God does certain things, but it seems an awful big hole in God's logic to create a perfect replica of a billions-of-years-old galaxy and then *forget* to add detectable star remnants. That would be a mistake on God's part. That can't happen.
Or maybe we just can't detect thousands-of-years-old explosions from thousands of light-years away. Hey, we're not perfect.
So the real question is, do you believe in a fallible God, or fallible humanity? - sundancekid503, on 01/18/2008, -1/+14Atheists and Christians are quickly becoming equals when it comes to condescending judgment.
- ashwinmudigonda, on 01/18/2008, -6/+19It's totally true. There is a devout christian at work, divorced, sort of old, grows moths for a hobby. However, accidentally, when I brought up the fact that the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life could actually be metaphors for something, he said, "you can say what you want. go ahead. go ahead" and then with a huge smile, "because I KNOW what it is. whatever you say cannot change my love for God. so don't worry about offending me."
All I could say was, "well, there is no point in carrying a conversation because you have determined the outcome already. You are not willing to see it any different" - ralphie81, on 01/18/2008, -1/+13True, there are many very gullible and easily manipulated folks out there, and many of them are religious. But to equate the two is illogical.
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