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- inactive, on 12/29/2007, -42/+283hehe... faith is funny
religious war is not - techlinks, on 12/29/2007, -87/+230I'm plain tired of everyone pigeon holing everyone else. Because I'm Christian doesn't mean I carry God hates fags signs and am against stem cell research. Same goes for atheism.
Stop being childish people, it's getting old fast. - Intrepion, on 12/29/2007, -16/+147"faith: -n belief that is not based on proof"
I'm sick and tired of the dictionary bashing everyone. /dictionarybury - 9portal, on 12/29/2007, -56/+186How interesting that some people here regard this as an attack on faith.
No it isn't. It's just a perfect diagram of what science is, and what faith is.
The two are incompatible. That is all this diagram shows.
How Ironic that anybody should defend faith on the INTERNET.
if humanity had listened to people like you, there would not BE any internet.
*****, there would not be any electricity. Nothing. The modern world exists
only because of science. Not faith.
Crawl back into the thirteenth century where you belong.
Take your faith with you. - theodenking, on 12/29/2007, -26/+146"Why don't you just leave people alone to believe as they want?"
I've never heard of athiests (in our society) doing anything different. Religion has been known to and still does violently repress different thought all around the world. Your kind of thinking is just another example of the absurd taboo surrounding religious belief, in free societies people have a right to articulate and spread their ideas, whether its funny images like this to be spread between like-minded individuals, books or articles aimed at convincing the general public or political lobbying. This is generally regarded as a good thing. Yet, when people like Dawkins publish books on the subject, even when individuals share their opinion on it on public message boards they are decried as "non-religious fundamentalists" and "athiest fanatics" by dim-witted individuals who no doubt then go home and pat themselves on the back for being very liberal and tolerant. And yet, thousands of books on religion go by uncommented upon every year, religious propaganda is rampant in the media, and missionaries continue to bring development to the world in return for belief and are still praised for it. - JQP123, on 12/29/2007, -32/+144"Why don't you just leave people alone to believe as they want? Isn't that what the non-religious wanted themselves in the first place?"
Sounds like a plan to me. Only one problem --- we can't seem to convince the religious to do the same. - tonage, on 12/29/2007, -226/+336Used to be the fanatic religious were annoying. Now the anti-believers are more annoying. Atheists are the new religious fanatics. There are post after post bashing faith. Why don't you just leave people alone to believe as they want? Isn't that what the non-religious wanted themselves in the first place?
Buried. Just sick and tired of the anti-religious trying to bash everyone for not believing as they do. - bowens44, on 12/29/2007, -44/+138Allowing ignorance to go unchallenged is morally reprehensible. Religion has consistently worked to limit human potential, it is an insult to human dignity.
- Tanktunker, on 12/29/2007, -18/+91Give the guy who made this his credit:
http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/ ... - chingy1788, on 12/29/2007, -20/+90on the faith chart, it shouldn't end, it should have an infinite loop from keep idea forever to keep idea forever
- Rob223, on 12/29/2007, -5/+64New digg Conspiracy theory : College and High School students digg contraversial stories in union so that they can scan the comments for interesting points they can use in essays.
- Ramble, on 12/29/2007, -3/+58All theories are stil based on evidence, if new evidence comes out then the theory is improved or scrapped. What's the problem with that?
- stevenhatfield, on 12/29/2007, -11/+63What he's trying to say is that the bible belongs in the fiction section of the book store... and if people read it and believe that it was true, they belong in the rubber room at your local nut bin.
I think he has a solid point. - jawdog, on 12/29/2007, -7/+51Your annoyance is understandable, and I would agree with you if i didn't have the feeling that if atheists were silent or at least LESS vocal than popular religion, then religion would gain more momentum and push its way into what is supposed to be secular policy in education, government, and a shared society. I think that atheists should be wary of doing what we are most opposed to in religion- pushing our beliefs on others - while at the same time, we need to educate people while we have a chance, and while they still have an open mind.
- DavidinBoston, on 12/29/2007, -66/+107The reason believers are "bashed," if you will, is because they base their beliefs on NOTHING, which is ASSININE. Moreover, their beliefs have kept untold millions subjugated for centuries. Religion is irrational, and in many cases intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, and it is hostile to free inquiry.
- manixrock, on 12/29/2007, -3/+40He made several good points. Not sure why he's getting dug down. Altough the post could be shorter and more to the point..
- diggsteve, on 12/29/2007, -13/+48I dugg this, but the Faith part is is missing the boxes about the disbelievers being slaughtered and how the religion splits into sects and the numbers who die over that.
- Rob223, on 12/29/2007, -11/+45Stolen from wellingtongrey, no credit given. Buried.
- blaze03, on 12/29/2007, -7/+40Because those beliefs dictate national policy.
- banmaster, on 12/29/2007, -8/+41No really. An infinite loop would indicate that their blind assumptions are occasionally revisited. They are not.
Why bother re-examining anything when you KNOW the answer is "god did it!". - Mr.Gone, on 12/29/2007, -32/+63MARY: Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us.
ME: Pardon me? What are you talking about? Who is Hank, and why would I want to kiss his ass?
JOHN: If you kiss Hank's ass, he will give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he will kick the ***** out of you.
ME: What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?
JOHN: Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do what ever he wants and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his ass.
ME: That doesn't make any sense. Why...
MARY: Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?
ME: Well maybe, if it is legit, but...
JOHN: Then come kiss Hank's ass with us.
ME: Do you kiss Hank's ass often?
MARY: Oh yes, all the time...
ME: And has he given you a million dollars?
JOHN: Well no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town.
ME: So why don't you just leave town now?
MARY: You can't leave until Hank tells you to or you don't get the money; and he kicks the ***** out of you.
ME: Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?
JOHN: My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year and I'm sure she got the money.
ME: Haven't you talked to her since then?
JOHN: Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it.
ME: So what makes you think he will actually give you the money if you have never talked to anyone who got the money?
MARY: Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you will get a raise; maybe you will win a small lotto; maybe you will just find a twenty dollar bill on the street.
ME: What does that got to do with Hank?
JOHN: Hank has certain...connections.
ME: I'm sorry but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game.
JOHN: But it IS a million dollars. Can you really take the chance? And remember, if you DON'T kiss Hank's ass he will kick the ***** out of you.
ME: Maybe if I could see Hank; talk to him; get the details straight from him...
MARY: No one sees Hank. No one talks to Hank.
ME: Then how do you kiss his ass?
JOHN: Sometimes we just blow him a kiss and think of his ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on.
ME: Who is Karl?
MARY: A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times.
ME: And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his ass, and that Hank would reward you?
JOHN: Oh no! Karl has got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here ia a copy; see for yourself.
John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on - From the desk of Karl - letterhead. There were eleven items listed:
Kiss Hank's ass and he will give you a million dollars when you leave town.
Use alcohol in moderation.
Kick the ***** out of people who are not like you.
Eat right.
Hank dictated this list himself.
The moon is made of green cheese.
Everything Hank says is right.
Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
Do not drink.
Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
Kiss Hank's ass or he will kick the ***** out of you.
ME: This would appear to be written on Karl's Letterhead.
MARY: Hank did not have any paper.
ME: I have a hunch that if we checked we would find this is Karl's handwriting.
JOHN: Of course, Hank dictated it.
ME: I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?
MARY: Not now; but years ago he would talk to some people.
ME: I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the ***** out of people just because they are different?
MARY: It's what Hank wants; and Hank is always right.
ME: How do you figure that?
MARY: Item 7 says - Everything Hanks says is right.- That's good enough for me!
ME: Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up.
JOHN: No way! Item 5 says, - Hank dictated this list himself.- Besides, item 2 says, - Use alcohol in moderation. - Item 4 says, - Eat right. - And item 8 says, - Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.- Everyone knows *those* things are right; so the rest must be true, too.
ME: But 9 says, - Do not Drink. - which does not quite go with item 2. And 6 says, - The moon is made of green cheese. - which is just plain wrong.
JOHN: There is no contradiction between 9 and 2. 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you have never been to the moon; so you cannot say for sure.
ME: Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock...
MARY: But they do not know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese.
ME: I am not really an expert but I think the theory that the Moon came from the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing *where* the rock came fromm doesn't mean it *could* be green cheese rather than rock.
JOHN: Aha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!
ME: We do?
MARY: Of course we do, Item 5 says so.
ME: So, you're saying that Hank is always right because the list says so; the list is right because Hank dictated it; and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so.
JOHN: Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking.
ME: But...Oh, never mind. What's the deal with the wieners? Mary blushes.
JOHN: Wieners: in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong.
ME: What if I don't have a bun?
JOHN: No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong.
ME: No relish? No Mustard? Mary looks positively stricken.
JOHN: (shouting): There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!
ME: So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?
MARY: (sticking her fingers in her ears): I am not listening to this! La la la, la la, la la la.....
JOHN: That is disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that...
ME: But it is good! I eat it all the time.
Mary faints. John catches her
JOHN: Well, if I had known you were one of THOSE, I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the ***** out of you, I want to be there. - zen4444, on 12/29/2007, -16/+46Faith is not a virtue.
- cargopete, on 12/29/2007, -6/+36I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one less fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
- theholyraptor, on 04/07/2008, -3/+31Your comment makes it sound like scientists throw darts at a board, decide to publish an idea, find out it's false, and then blindly throw a dart at a board of other ideas again. While there are still things that are vastly beyond our comprehension at this point (and we still try to theorize about them), most theories are only proven to be slightly different, and then modified to include the new evidence. They generally don't just fail miserably, because after all, they're based on observation.
- keyo, on 12/29/2007, -5/+32Faith is blind, religion has brought about quite a lot of violence and it restricts the way people live their lives. I think that's reason enough to try and get rid of it. That picture is not "bashing", it's the actual truth, the way things are. I myself am sick of the religious people thinking their thoughts should be immune to any sort of scientific reasoning. Any other matter can be talked about openly, but as soon as I talk about religion I am labeled a "basher", why the conservativeness . By the way, it is still the religious people in my life that keep ***** me off, knocking on my door, walking around the uni campus with bibles and so forth. I would like to say more but I'll cut it off this short.
- siwu, on 12/29/2007, -7/+33While I'm not religious, I do think religion should be kept personal, and not institutionalized. It's not faith that's responsible for wars, it's the church (as a general sense, that is, men controlling other people's faith).
All I'm saying is that 500 years ago, the church (not faith) would have you punished by death for saying that the earth is not flat. - Fordi, on 12/29/2007, -3/+28_______
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Oops. I killed your longcat. - banmaster, on 12/29/2007, -11/+36Religion/faith is an mental crutch for the emotionally crippled!
- 9portal, on 12/29/2007, -13/+38The Earth is FLAT !
I can see it is flat!
What's a sattelite?
The Sun and the moon and the stars all go round the Earth!
And Heaven is up in the sky outside a big crystal sphere!
I know it's true because the Pope/Jesus/Immam said so!
And if I don't do what it says in the holy book, I will go to hell!
Where I will burn for all eternity!
I have faith!
Praise the lord!
God help us all! - skywake, on 12/29/2007, -2/+27there is a difference between believing what you want and doing what you want. Everyone should have the freedom to believe whatever they want to believe without persecution but when it goes beyond a belief and onto genocide the line has been crossed. ;)
- pgoetz, on 12/29/2007, -14/+38This is all well and good, but unfortunately the so-called Children of Abraham -- Christians, Jews, and Muslims -- are pretty much doing everything they can to destroy civilization and the planet. If you don't realize this, then I suggest you get out more. The response to Christians attempting to take over the US government, radical Islamic terrorism, and the apartheid/genocide being committed by Jews is atheist scholars doing their best to eradicate this particularly destructive mythology from the focus of the human belief engine using logic and appeals to reason/history. Read "Six Impossible Things Before Breakfast" for more information on the belief engine. Look at any reputable news source for the rest. Or just listen to Pat Condell: http://youtube.com/watch?v=oSZYN8UV6yg
- solarsavior, on 12/29/2007, -0/+23I love this thing, but you got buried for posting it here like this.
Post a link next time. - emeksv, on 12/29/2007, -5/+27Agreed .... the problem with leaving believers alone is that they don't want to leave you alone - whether it's as extreme as suicide bombers or as 'benign' as Huckabee ... so long as believers want to make their beliefs relevant to solcial and political issues then unbelievers can't 'leave them alone.'
- keyo, on 12/29/2007, -3/+25And to take it one step further...
delusion: A false belief that persists even when a person has evidence that the belief is not true. - pgoetz, on 12/29/2007, -5/+27Don't be an idiot. Complex ideas require lengthier explanations. This is why The Children of Abraham (Christians, Jews, Muslims) are still plaguing the earth -- debunking them, although easily done, requires an attention span of more than 30 seconds. Go get some ritalin or something.
- spammishking, on 12/29/2007, -7/+28So what you're trying to say is.....
- jj101, on 12/29/2007, -0/+21You sir are a tool (much like a hammer except less mentally flexible) used to win elections.
Your points are absurd and demented without exception.
I'm going to ignore what you said about the Zoo because I have no idea what you're talking about. As for AIDs do you not think the hippy (note nit necessarily atheist) revolution of the sixties and the invention of the contraceptive pill had more to do with that your supposition that atheists declared "sexual purity null and void".
Do you not think the fast spread of STDd and venereal disease is more attributable to the widespread religious conviction that condoms are a sin?
BTW atheists are not communists or vice versa. You are confusing political ideals with scientific knowledge and religious belief.
Your supposedly christian government gives more money to china than any other country on earth. The chinese are pretty religious as it goes and by no means all atheists. SIx bucks a day is double what most people in Africa get and they are many many christians in Africa.
Your last sentence is pure comedy. What sort of christian describes fellow humans as "putrid *****" and claims to be gratified by their deaths.
What a wanker. - inactive, on 12/29/2007, -2/+23How was I supposed to know, I hadn't seen it before? Do you really think that every single person who dugg this had already seen it on digg?
- stevenhatfield, on 12/29/2007, -4/+24Ok, you just contradicted the hell out of yourself in 1 sentence. It's not "blind" belief if you have evidence! Here, I'll give you an example:
So I have a scientific theory.. that the desk I'm writing this on is flat and hard. I have evidence to back this up - my computer doesn't slide off of it and if I bang your head on it, it'll hurt... a lot. There is no blind belief here, until I find evidence to the contrary, I "know" this to be true. - greevar, on 12/29/2007, -2/+21Yeah, it's horrible how the atheist are in our faces everywhere we go with billboards, tv ads, and other media day-in-day-out. Oh wait, aren't the religious groups the ones that shove their message in our faces with billboards, tv ads, and other media day-in-day-out? In fact if someone posted an atheist message in any form of mass media, there would be lynch mob waiting outside the atheist's home. Hypocrisy rears it's ugly head.
- dunk71, on 12/29/2007, -5/+24Read a bible.
- cranium, on 12/29/2007, -1/+20As opposed to religion, where in cases where it is PROVEN false by contradictory evidence, people just ignore the evidence and continue to believe it anyway. Brilliant.
- buddamus, on 12/29/2007, -13/+32I'm a Pastafarian and proud
- coolmanmax2000, on 12/29/2007, -0/+18At least it doesn't take almost 2000 years... it's just six months
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*longcat is now deadcat - JQP123, on 12/29/2007, -3/+20"How different is that from religion?"
A lot. If it's based on evidence, it's not "blind faith". If people are willing to scrap or modify it 6 months later because of new evidence, it's not "blind faith". "Blind faith" never gets scrapped or modified ... regardless of the evidence.
See the chart again. - ahvi, on 12/29/2007, -6/+23An Atheist cannot be elected president in this country right now. Enough said.
- jacquesm, on 12/29/2007, -4/+21I don't even think that should be filed under 'comedy', it's a very unfortunate situation where a good portion of the world simply refuses to clue in to the facts of life. Of course when they're ill it's a different matter, then science is all of a sudden preferable to religion.
- GREEDOnvrFIRED, on 12/29/2007, -0/+17Exactly right, and if your colleagues develop a higher precision instrument or system of measure and it turns out your desk was actually not entirely flat sonnybobiche up there will start screaming and yelling about how science doesn't work while you quietly shift to the new paradigm.
- hgraehl, on 12/29/2007, -0/+16The metaphor was not Christians beating the ***** out of people with other beliefs. The metaphor for "Hank kicks the ***** out of you" means God kicks the ***** out of you through eternal punishment in hell for the non-followers.
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