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- slicedoranges, on 10/12/2007, -6/+128I'd rather be a douche. ***** the RIAA.
- electronaught, on 10/12/2007, -5/+116Actually people find a lot of inspiration when they don't have cash...
- Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -6/+111Here's the truth:
Musicians do NOT get paid for the records they sell. They get maybe 15 cents an album if they're LUCKY. All that money goes to the scumbag record company.
Musicians only make their money by touring. You're not hurting them by not buying their album. Goto their concerts, though.
That's why you have plenty of artists that outright say "I don't care if you buy my music, as long as you hear/listen to it!" Because they care about you coming to the show, not paying off their record company.
Why isn't this common knowledge on digg? I'm sick of people saying that you're "hurting the artists". Trust me, you're not.
Oh right, and the movie industry... Heh... That's not any better. - ad0beaddict, on 10/12/2007, -37/+102"Don't be a douche, stop piracy"
- Aque0us, on 10/12/2007, -4/+62They steal our internets!
- ReXorcist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+60I think Jables is talking about a different kind of inspiration...the kind your dealer needs payment for. ;)
- weareallzombies, on 10/12/2007, -19/+66No Cash = No Inspiration
Heh, how true is that? - shelby1076, on 10/12/2007, -5/+50I'm a douche. Sorry Mr Black
- MrObjectional, on 10/12/2007, -14/+55@wonderboy
I got modded into 'Oblivion' once- I made a custom skin for my character.
Hooray for capitalization! - jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -6/+40Tell ya what, how about the record companies stop making me pay the same price for the old stuff as the new? How about since they tell me I don't own it, I only license it they give me copies of ***** I lost to fill the empty sleeves I have. I mean, I never owned the CD I owned a license so if the CD is gone, screw it. Gimme a new one. How about artist wake up to the Internet and start distributing their stuff in a way the sticks it to the record companies so they can get more money for themselves. How about the record companies wise up, release singles for free on the Internet and then charge for the albums?
Point is, there's a lot of issues here. I don't have all the answers but I do know that someone needs to write a PSA and ask the RIAA to stop being a douche and stop bogarting the Rocket Sauce! - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+31@Klisk
I'm not sure how it works in America, but what you said was mostly true in Asia. Music is sold there for super cheap, for $5.00 USD to $10.00 USD for legitimate CD's. The music CD's are little more than promotional materials and half have little inserts encouraging you to go to the concerts, where the artists make the real money since they get little or nothing from CD sales.
In fact the Asian concert model has been huge, you can find large posters hung up in any "Chinatown/Koreatown/LittleTokyo" in America even, in which people will pay a bunch, (a minimum of $45 per ticket to $200+) just to attend the concerts.
There was a paper and a report a few years back that proved that rap artists only make less than $200,000 a year, while generating over 10 million dollars for CD sales. Companies like Sony just pocketed most of the profits.
Finally there was a dugged article a few months ago in which, I think, Weird Al Yankovic (or somebody like that) said he made around a dime or less per CD. - ryMac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26When I saw thursday in concert, at the very end he said something that truly touched me he said "So were selling our CD's for 15 bucks for three of em, and when you get I'm gonna need you guys to all do something for me. Take this cd and put on your computer, then burn it on cd's to give to all of your friends. Music isn't about making money, it's about making connections, whether its connections with people, or the connections with music."
thats a true musician. - Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Objectional:
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
>>Cover artists, recording techs, etc get the shaft when record companies cut back on releases.
Cover artists? Most of them are freelance, not workers for the record company. Hell, most bands make their own art nowadays.
Recording techs. LOL. I *am* a recording tech. I can't get the shaft. The record company doesn't own the studio I work for, or anyone in the studio. Many times we turn DOWN these record companies if we don't agree with their terms. We may take up one of their projects for the cash, but they can't "give us the shaft".
What are you talking about? Seriously? All the "little people" get paid on their own, not because of the record company. Many artists pay for studio time out of their pocket. This is my business, and we're pirating all day long.
Did you know that the samples we use for hiphop albums, nowadays, are mostly pirated off the internet from mp3's on BT? - Wolfghost, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20No cash = desperation. Inspiration is in the formula inspired_artist + RIAA = screw_everybody.
- tedlee10, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LkWKvMCzqA&eurl=
- Toshibi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Exactly! Instead of forcing the world to adhere to your business plan, modify your business plan and model to become more profitable. The market is not what you demand it be but what the consumers want. If they don't want your price tag, your product, your anything, they won't waste their money on it.
Not that I think most of the music or movies that come out anymore are worth the discs/film they're put on...
Back in my day...*****, I'm only 26! - knightblade2oo4, on 10/12/2007, -18/+30maybe if jack black made a movie worth money, people wouldn't pirate it.
- ActionJeans, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Arrr matey.
- ejstacey, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15"P.S. I'm pro consumer and pro business but I like to look at both sides to fully understand the problem, so I try not to be bias."
You can't be both.
Most businesses exist to make the most money they can out of the consumer, sometimes to the point of exploitation. RIAA/MPAA definitely fall under that category... so you can't suck up to them and then say "oh but I love the consumer too!". Doesn't work that way. - Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Asia's record industry is heavily influenced by America's, so it's about the same.
Also, it's probably more like 4-6 cents, not even 15. Before you pay back your record company, even THAT money ends up going TO the record company anyways, even though it's yours -- Meaning the artist never gets ANY money from the sales. It's either that or your lawyer. I remember Dylan saying he used to get like 26 bucks a month.
Oh right, and how many artists sell 1,000,000? Not many, I'll tell you that. Do you really consider Britney Spears a musician, anyways?
Artists like Metallica are at the point where they keep all of their record revenue. They're in the very, very slim minority, because you essentially need to go 30 times platinum to even get to that point. That's an exaggeration, but y'know what I mean. There's perhaps 20 artists TOTAL that have reached that level of "sucess". If you even want to call it that.
Finally: http://www.negativland.com/albini.html - snowpatrol, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Wonderboy, won't you take me far away from the mucky muck!
- Arizona_Glover, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Would the the video load faster if I stopped all these torrents ?
- theXenon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9You know that surcharge tax we all pay on our blank CDs and DVDs? That's to cover "piracy" which FYI is not illegal here in Canada. The RIAA/MPAA can kiss my Canadian ass. I'ma go and download some Tenacious D _right now_.
- Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9They need to start doing one of two things:
1) Think of piracy as COMPETITION.
2) Think of piracy as PROMOTION.
Because their 'war' against it is just making things worse for them. - IntoTheWired, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8If I take a photograph of a painting, is that also stealing?
- IntoTheWired, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ColtraneofMars
Suppose I scan it into my computer, blow it up and hang the photo on my wall. I now have all the benfits of owning the painting without paying the price. Is this theft? - Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6http://digg.com/music/_The_Problem_With_Music_
- SkullWolf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Okay, I had fun reading the responses, but this has to stop.
IT'S SATIRE.
Anyone who thinks this is real is a MORON. Please go back to 4chan immediately.
I mean, how ***** dense do you have to be to not identify this video as a comedic satire for promotion of his movie? He clearly parodies people in other "the more you know" type ads by saying "I don't know how they [steal all our internets]". Even the use of "internets" shows that he's internet savvy, or at least tuned into popular culture, which doesn't have a problem with this type of piracy.
So half of the commenters here, please hang yourself. - pathy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5While, Piracy shouldn't happen, and all the other reasons for it, taking money from artists, it's illegal, etc, I ask something:
What about the people that would not purchase it, or would not know about it otherwise? Please don't spam, oh, but they WON'T buy it now they can get it for free!
I've found nearly every band I currently listen to through 'piracy' - My friends giving me music, or telling me bands I should listen too. *****, I would have never realised how great The Daily Show, Chapelle's Show, or Metalocolypse are if it wasn't for YouTube and DailyMotion - I don't pay subscription fees, and I'm not even in the US - That's stealing too, right?
For Music - Would the artists prefer that people did not hear their music, rather than heard it without paying for it?
You're called artists for a reason - You create art. You're not in for the cash, you're in to to create, because you enjoy creating. You should spread that around.
... Anyway, piracy is wrong, but it has it's merits. I found Nightwish, Clutch, The Birthday Massacre, Crotchduster, Bolt Thrower, Darling Violetta, A Perfect Circle... And even more, through piracy. I've got atleast one of their CDs purchase (Or in the case of Nightwish and Clutch, entire discogs.).
This argument has been made over and over, but it should never stop being made, either. - Klisk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7It was a joke. Jack Black released a bunch of "viral" type comedy videos to promote the Pick of Destiny. This is one of them.
- captainmicahp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Finally somebody puts it in terms I can understand.
- SystmBetatester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i cant tell if hes being sarcastic or not :S but i have a feeling he is.
anyway rocket sauce: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rocket+sauce - Toshibi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why should anyone do anything without compensation? If they're not getting paid they're slaves.
Sure, I think musicians should actually work on their stage shows...and that actors should do plays...you know, not get 1000 takes to hit a line or a note.
How many times have you paid for concert tickets and the bands sounded like ASS? Nothing like the CD...no REAL musicianship. The band I was in may have sucked, but we sucked equaly live and on CD! - IntoTheWired, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's not always the best business model to automatically assume that the product you are putting out is worth as much as a product already established to be great.
Just sayin'. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Medirtica made their whole name off kids bootlegging their tapes. It was all word of mouth and copy after copy of their tapes circulated around. The nerve of that puke ***** to come out as posterboy for anti-piracy makes me want to vomit. I will never understand why ANYONE buys their crap anymore.
- zeabrid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7>>Wow. You know, normally I err on the side of the rest of you diggers... but have >>any of you ever walked into a store, put a CD into your pocket and walked out without paying?
>>Oh wait. Thats right... that would be stealing...
Physical stealing of a CD hurts: The store chain itself from making profit since they have already paid for the CD, the managers at the store who are going to get yelled at by Loss Prevention since merchandise is missing, and employee's are probably going to get fired.
Pirating copies of CD's hurts one group, the RIAA. - jefree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Piracy is what happens when the consumer has been screwed over for years and then the tables are turned? Will happen in all cultures and markets when money has been used as a weapon. It's the evil side of capitalism. And as for inspiration. I see more cool local and underground stuff for dirt cheap and free that comes from pure love or art and performance. Ultimately the problem is no scarcity and the capitalism system. Sure artists should be compensated just like the garbage collector, programmers, teachers and golfing instructors. But what happens when a product can be reproduced for free. Those involved get the high road by capitalism. It's our society that's broken. Money shouldn't have to be so important and govern our laws. Screw the overbearing copyright companies. Time to get yours.
- 6ixStringJack, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I can't wait till cloning is mainstream and I can download Britney illegally and have my own Britney bot.
- Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4People download music all the time, and yet popular musicians are hardly poor. Something tells me it's not the CD sales that make them rich - just the labels.
- malice8691, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4We pirate movies (not me of course) and you guys are still making a killing and live in the lap of luxury. Everybody wins.
- betterth, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12@Klisk
Wrong.
Only super non-mega-stars get ***** from albums. You think Metallica gets ***** for their records? They're in the place where they can say "We're ***** Metallica. You'll give us cash, or we'll go to someone who will".
They're a safe investment for the label, and believe me, they get rich off record sales.
Why do you think they (Metallica) cares about piracy? Why do you think Madonna cares?
Because those are the ones making millions of their own records... - DuoPros, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Avast!
- friend18, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'd rather be a douche. :)
- 808kick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8FyZLk0LDY
this one is better - TheG2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Which reminds me, I gotta get his new songs..
- splendidbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yep, this happens the closer you get to perfect competition. Essentially where a market is more competitive true demand generates the price. The situation with films and music etc is about as far from competitive as possible - a film is made, it is owned / distributed etc by one organisation, you cant get this film elsewhere so it has zero competition. Since the product is unique (kinda ;)) it differs from a product - say wheat that has lots of producers.
Even if you move away from the individual film, films as an industry are miles away from a decent level of competition, huge barriers to entry (cash to make films), a few established firms controlling everything.
Naturally then, there is no incentive to reduce prices for individual films etc - aside from the resulting increase in administration costs, it seems to be more profitable to keep prices higher than people would ideally pay, then pretend the stuff is better than it really is via marketing(to make people pay more)
Ironically, I remember from when I studied economics, there is a theory that indicated the most profitable scenario is to have people paying whatever they can afford - especially re ***** like this that has low duplication costs, far better to get £3 for your product than nothing.
Given the difficulties of implementing these strategies, it seems record companies go for the next best - keep prices high, and persuade everybody the product is worth it.
Filesharing is a terrible threat to their profits, because once you get this stuff for free, you realise its true value (paying money for something imbues it with extra value) - essentially they wont be able to persuade people to buy rubbish at inflated prices any more.
Although it is obvious that the market demands a lower price, and that a lower price would reduce piracy, they will kick and scream and do anything possible to stop consumers realising the true value of their products to keep their profits.
Filesharing will force prices down, its inevitable, and its the only way as a consumer (aside from not buying the product) you can make your voice heard in a market so blatantly uncompetitive. - uppedbyhiggins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yea, stop seeding King Kong and School of Rock.
- mapkinase, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5C'mon guys, internetS? It is obviously tongue in a cheek PSA.
- astrotrain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Record stores are dead.... over priced crap carriers....
- SpencerFry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Just because you get someone "cool" to tell us/me/you to stop piracy, doesn't mean that it's going to happen or influence us/me/you to change our ways! Sorry, MPAA/RIAA, you still lose. Change your ways first and then we'll listen.
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