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  • pbf444, on 05/05/2008, -55/+122Critics of China are calling for a boycott of the Olympics for several different reasons; the most noted is their Human Rights issues. China has a reputation for atrocities committed against its citizens, of which the most widely known is the massacre of the Tibetans decades ago. And of course there is Tiananmen Square. Of course China has other issues that are facing boycott, such as their record against civil and political rights for their citizens.
    http://www.askfite.com/my_place/2008/04/why-are-cr ...
    • madeingermany, on 05/05/2008, -14/+192Make your government stop borrowing money from China and stop buying their cheap, lead-poisoned crap, if you want to make an impact.

      Boycotting the Olympics doesn't achieve anything - I've boycotted the last 8 Olympics and nothing happened :p
      • Navicerts, on 05/05/2008, -4/+41Boycotting cheap, lead-poisoned crap from China seems to do nothing as well. The informed < un-informed. Not to mention it's nearly impossible, even when you buy goods that say "Made in the USA" (or Germany or where ever) half the parts that constitute the item are made in China.
        • madeingermany, on 05/05/2008, -8/+3that doesn't mean you should give up.
          Assembled in your country > completely made elsewhere!

          What we need to be informed consumers is an exact declaration of origin for every major part of the product and the main raw materials as well.
          • grimward, on 05/05/2008, -4/+10Oh boy, you're in for a ruuuude awakening I can see.
        • AlienMushroom, on 05/05/2008, -2/+7Blame American investors for giving them specs to make what you got in stores.
        • amirman, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5parts "made in America" are also oftentimes produced in places like Saipan which are technically part of America but are actually labor camps using cheap labor from third world countries.
        • LeeSoong, on 05/05/2008, -9/+9Well Thank God the USA never commits human rights violations.

          In the USA, religious freedom is guaranteed, people are not forced to pay taxes to churches they don't belong to, there is no racism, and Mormon children are safe at home with their mothers...

          oh, wait a minute . . .
          • rossinio, on 05/05/2008, -5/+5Typical Chinese counter argument, I've seen this exact same train of thought dozens of times from Chinese supporters. It doesn't matter how bad your accuser is, it doesn't make their argument any less valid.
          • Pro28, on 05/05/2008, -2/+5It makes it quite a bit harder to demand them to change, though.
            :/
          • AlienMushroom, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1@ rossinio
            You are a classic example of western hypocrisy. People like you always have things to blame on. Why don't you look at yourselves? You are dirty as *****.
            Mind your own business. China is NOT Iraq, Afghanistan or Yugoslavia.
          • AlienMushroom, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1@ rossinio
            What's wrong with Chinese people supporting their own country?
            Hypocrisy in play and shame on you.
        • aceakm, on 05/05/2008, -7/+3If you wanted to make a point LeeSoong, you should drop the sarcasm post with the overused "oh wait a minute" and state it as a fact. Fail.
      • oldhick, on 05/05/2008, -3/+22We sell bonds on the open market. They "buy" the bonds, you can too.
        • swimmer88, on 05/05/2008, -3/+5Correct. Some people should learn some basic economics before they open their mouth.
      • afx1, on 05/05/2008, -3/+8badwithcomputer = goodwithtitles
      • brstilson, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4It's getting harder and harder to avoid things made there. For a growing number of Americans, the choice to simply "buy American" just isn't there anymore. Unless we can convince businesses to hate profit, this trend is going to continue.
        • fokov, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4Somewhat correct. However the only way to stop it is to go back and enforce community standards to only support companies that have the beliefs you share. People will say this is impossible at this juncture, however, I do not have that stance. If someone would open a grocer around here with only local products, even with the extra money necessary for that business to survive added to the products, I would rather shop there. Keep the money in the family in a relative sense. The only problem is most people do not want to do this, thus making the problem bigger. I find it funny when someone's neighbor loses their job because the person's business decided to save a few bucks and buy foreign. Then after a while, the original person's company either gets bought up and destoryed, or closed because no one is buying their products, and purchasing foreign stuff.
          If we keep exporting money, the country will not only be in paper debt, but real debt. That is what the controllers of this country want, and people just do not understand they have the ability to make it happen.
          • scoot2006, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6There's a reason walmart is #1.. Almost every other person feels differently than you. They don't support local (or regional/national) anything. They just want cheap groceries.
          • LeatherCow, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Agreed. Some people live from paycheck to paycheck and have to settle for the cheapest sometimes.
          • LeeSoong, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Getting the local and federal government to stop taxing U.S. business to death would be a good start, as well as working towards a stronger economic bloc combining North and South America, uniting 1/2 the planet economically to deal with global competition from Asia and the E.U.
      • AlienMushroom, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Make your investors pay more to Chinese factories to manufacture better, no-poison merchandise, if you want to make an impact.

        China doesn't care about the presence of anyone who doesn't want to attend the Olympic. If you don't wanna go, fine, stay at home.
      • ikillpeoplexx, on 05/05/2008, -2/+2Absurd that both of these comments got dugg up.
      • ChristopherUVA, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2I hate to burst your bubble but the world's economy is so dependent upon one another now that "stop borrowing money from China and stop buying their cheap, lead-poisoned crap" is impossible unless you enjoy seeing practically every single economy in the world collapse within a couple of months.
    • directedition, on 05/05/2008, -10/+50I don't get this boycott nonsense. What better way to demonstrate China's human rights issues than to flood the country with camera crews?
      • infinityofnever, on 05/05/2008, -3/+12and what makes you think they will be parading it for the camera crews to see?
        • Mcdz, on 05/05/2008, -7/+3If it's so prevalent.. They wouldn't have to be parading it would they?
          • Cl1mh4224rd, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1> "If it's so prevalent.. They wouldn't have to be parading it would they?"

            It's not like they have street-corner torture booths...
          • Mcdz, on 05/06/2008, -1/+0...That's precisely my point... Everyone obviously caught the sarcasm.................
      • AlienMushroom, on 05/05/2008, -11/+7May you stay home and protest the US gov't for attempting the destruction of mankind?
        Chinese gov't's giving its citizens high life quality while the US gov't's making waterboarding legal, killing innocent Iraqis, treating Guantanamo Bay like animals etc...
        • EntangledPhysx, on 05/05/2008, -4/+12Did you just say the US gov't is worse than China's? Are you ***** out of your mind?
          • Yokobono, on 05/05/2008, -2/+0That depends. If you have brown skin you probably think so and for good reason.
          • frnzkfk, on 05/05/2008, -2/+0@yokobono

            i think some uygers would tend to disagree... idiot
        • LeatherCow, on 05/05/2008, -4/+1Well I wouldn't call anything the Chinese government supplies high quality. I don't think they know the meaning of the word.
        • infinityofnever, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1How can Guantanamo Bay be treated like animals? What planet do you live on?
          • AlienMushroom, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Guantanamo Bay detainees. Which toilet do you feed on?
      • theL3G4CY, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5The Germans did a pretty good job about hiding their antisemitic propaganda when the Americans came during the olympic games...
        • directedition, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1It's easy to shut up for a season, not so easy to cover up actions already made. Fact of the matter is that documentary crews will take advantage of the olympics to get cameras in easier.
      • Drogoganor, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Get real. More Chinese defensiveness for a totalitarian government.
    • chrissku, on 05/05/2008, -8/+16The Chinese govt. ripped down homes that were near the Olympic venue that were seen as too unsightly.
      • Nickdotnet, on 05/05/2008, -4/+3pics or it didnt happen....
        • infinityofnever, on 05/05/2008, -2/+5they Are tearing them down, but they're tearing the really old buildings. Buildings that probably goes back to the 1800s.
          • lunasunshine, on 05/05/2008, -2/+3so the historic ones?
          • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -2/+2Its kinda stupid to leave up rickety old buildings just because they're old and "historical". Most of the buildings with real historical value are not being torn down and are actually being restored.
          • madeingermany, on 05/06/2008, -0/+11800s sounds only really old, if you live in a young country :p
          • AlienMushroom, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1@ lunasunshine
            Not all old buildings have historical value.
      • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -6/+2it's called eminent domain...
        • Elwood19k20, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1and tell me how that makes it right? Just because we are dumb and let our government get away with stealing our land doesnt mean it is right. Eminent domain is a plague that should be abolished.
      • liljay2k, on 05/05/2008, -4/+11that would happen in any country, including the united states, Great Britain, iceland..
        • Elwood19k20, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1and tell me how that makes it right? Just because we are dumb and let our government get away with stealing our land doesnt mean it is right. Eminent domain is a plague that should be abolished.
      • AlienMushroom, on 05/05/2008, -6/+11Ripped straight out of context.
        The gov't paid the home owners plenty of money and gave them new houses to live.
        You are one China-Hater.
      • donkeybat64, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4well what else are you gona do w/ them? they build new houses for them, stop worrying about people in china, dont ACT like you actually give a *****.
      • h4mx0r, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Were the owners reimbursed? In the US, eminent domain would require a reimbursement to the owner a certain value.
        • Elwood19k20, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Yeah, and the value os often less than half of the actual value of the property. Eminent domain is government sponsored terrorism. Even though mild, it still brings terror to people when it is enacted.
      • mummbleswers, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1That's it! No P.F. Changs for two weeks!
    • Stupidumb, on 05/05/2008, -10/+17I hope they ban the Olympics; it'll really stick it to them Olympians who've been training for years. Don't matter none what country they from.
      • infinityofnever, on 05/05/2008, -14/+1then how is banning the olympics good for the olympians whom you seem to sympathize?
        • DubiousDrewski, on 05/05/2008, -1/+13Ooh! Ooh! I get to do one!

          WHOOSH!!

          hehe.
          • grimward, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Dugg for comedic gold and wonderful enthusiasm :D
      • sk11, on 05/05/2008, -4/+2Because sporting events are obviously more important than the violent oppression of an entire people, right?
    • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -21/+5What's the deal with hating China? You forget, this is China. This place is flooded with people and the pollutive by-products of them. The more people flooding the Earth, the more morality is going to change regarding the worth of human life. Morality is relative. If their country sees nothing wrong with killing people, wtf is it to you? Life is a game, and some ways, a serious game. It's understandable you're not on China's team, but business is business. Stop being ignorant of their ways and if you're going to boo their team, do it because you're not for them, not for some ***** excuse on how what we all do and the way we all do it is better.
      • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -16/+1Yep, digg me down *****. Not because that's not the way it is, but because it's not the way you want it to be.
        • insertAliasHere, on 05/05/2008, -1/+8Ooh, sensitive. O_o
          "If their country sees nothing wrong with killing people, wtf is it to you?"
          If you don't see what's wrong with this statement, you deserve to be buried with no explanation. But, to make a tired comparison, if we had that attitude with Nazi Germany, where do you think the world would be. Not that I'm comparing China to Nazis, but the point is still valid. Morality isn't only relative to a country or society, it is also relative to the world community too. And if enough of the world disagrees with you, you are wrong.
          • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -6/+3So in an overcrowded world, you see something wrong with violence and killing? Get a ***** education. Killing's going to happen and it happens for a reason. Studies have shown in lots of animals in a limited environment with limited resources, the more populated the environment is, the more outbreak of violence among them. Violence and killing is natural and differs in numbers among populations and environments. Just because most of us may not see it that way doesn't mean they shouldn't or can't. Fighting is natural when the time is right among a society.
          • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -6/+3And before you think I'm some online and offline bully, I've never been in a fight in my life, nor do I condone it. I'm just calling it as I see it folks.
          • insertAliasHere, on 05/05/2008, -1/+9"Fighting is natural when the time is right among a society"

            Maybe. In any case, I'm not arguing that point. My point is that you can't just excuse away human rights violations by saying that their country doesn't care about killing anyway.
          • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -8/+1You're a ***** tool. They're only a 'violation' to you and a few who may side with you. To most of China, they may consider it lawful and you just can't see both sides because your heads so far up your ***** ass to think China may not be so bad after all. I don't support China, I just don't condone ignorance.
          • insertAliasHere, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4Oh, the anger. Ouch, I've been insulted by someone on the internet.

            For the record, I don't even really care about any of this. I just chimed in when you acted like a bitch about being buried. I don't care if they have the next 10 Olympics in China. But you got your panties in a bunch, so I don't wanna play anymore.
          • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -6/+1"got your panties in a bunch"
            Hypocrite much? 'Oh, you're so mean. I won't play with you anymore!' Look who's the bitch.If you can't hang in a debate, don't hang. Just don't be a bitch and puss out with whining about someone being mean.
        • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -5/+2I dugg you up, what you said is exactly how I feel about this situation.
      • BrainDance, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Regardless of the pollution, human rights violations, etc. They are artificially undervaluing their currency, the last estimate I heard was by around 40%. It's sneaky, but illegal and many people (governments) have called for the value of the Yuan to quit basing it's value on the US dollar and reflect its true value.
        What this accomplishes is Chinese imports always remain cheap for us, since when the US Dollar falls, it falls to. Its a situation where no matter how much China grows we're still going to be importing tons of cheap crap from them. It's dirty international economics and really should stop.
        Really though they could treat their citizens a bit nicer. Why should someone have to pay a deposit before accepting a job that they lose if they "complain" about the conditions. That and what is the use of only allowing one, government run union, that seems to be entirely counter-productive to the entire concept of a union.
        Also, if you're going to have minimum wage laws, enforce them! Any nation should enforce their damn laws.
        So, just don't talk about "the way it is" if you actually have no educated view on the way it really is. This is not "business" it's illegal international business. There are rules to international trade and China simply is not following these rules for their own benefit.
        • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -2/+1Call me an anarchist, whatever, but the way it is, the only rules we have are the rules we make for ourselves. They're big boys. If they want a different govt or rules, they'll try for a different govt and rules. Who are we to tell them what is good for them? You see where that's gotten us, right? Stop with the ***** manipulation. If you want to fight people or fight for something, just say because I'm inclined to. Not make up some ***** excuse why. You're smarter than that, aren't you? It's human nature to fight and we'll find any ***** excuse imaginable to do it. As it's human nature to make friends as well, we'll find any ***** reason for that. Whether I listen to this group, and you listen to the same group. Or I am missing a toe and you are as well, hey, lets be friends, shall we? You're being manipulated as a tool for fighting verbally against another country. I've nothing wrong with fighting, I just don't like being manipulated with some ***** excuse to do it.
          • BrainDance, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1I don't know how fighting came in, are you talking about literal warfare? Or the "fighting" such as proposing sanctions on China? In regards to actual warfare, it's never going to happen with China. As much as we disagree with their ideologies we are still economically dependent on them, part of that is our own fault, but like I said before part of that is from them manipulating the playing field (value of the Yuan.) We began trade with them under the pretext that we were all going to follow certain rules, they have not followed up on this agreement. Yeah, they have a "right" to run their country how they want, they can break these rules if they want to, but then why should we continue to support them? We also have the right to change our policies towards them in response.
            It's as simple as China not holding to their end of the agreement, and if we just "live and let live" it isn't much of an agreement is it? They don't have to follow the rules if they don't want to, but they should never have said they would be in the first place then.
          • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -2/+1You're losing me with rules and rights. You forget, rules and rights are for people who expect a certain behavior. Not everything is according to what's expected in this world. You'll learn when you grow up, rules and rights don't mean ***** to some people.
          • BrainDance, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1So what do you propose we do to someone who lies to us then? According to your all-mature anarchist philosophy? We should continue to allow them to lie to and manipulate us? I'm not sure I follow how that is beneficial to anyone besides people who lie and cheat. I would love to see what happens to our global economy if we adopted your philosophy though. I must have "grown up" a bit different then you though, maybe you should consider an education? I'll break it down for you, China has lied to us, these lies have damaged our economy and therefor caused problems for citizens of this country. Believe it or not, one of the goals a government should have (whether you believe it should exist or not, it's there) is to prevent certain things like this from happening to its citizens. Currently we have not taken a hard-line with China and so these problems continue to happen. They can do whatever they want, until it directly effects us which it has. International economics might be a bit over your head though.
          • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1I have no doubt China's done "bad" thing to us and we have to them. You seem to be adopting the "don't understand who they are and where they come from, just bash them because they're not us" attitude you probably think I have. Look in the ***** mirror and you won't be so quick to fight others for things you/we consider bad that we've done ourselves. You can just admit you're fighting against China because you're not on their team and not for some ***** excuse because you're a ***** manipulated tool.
            You can argue petty politics all you want. I'm arguing human psychology and universal nature.
          • BrainDance, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1It's petty to be concerned of the welfare of our economy as a result of the actions of another nation? I don't have anything against China if thats what you're implying. You do make somewhat of a valid point in peoples perception of other nationalities based on subtle (usually racist) portrayals of that culture that they are unaware of consciously. I'm running a similar study right now on that topic and perception of Eastern Europeans across cultures.
            I have to say though, as a psychologist (or at least pretty close, no Ph.D yet but at least an M.A. and currently working on some research in the field, that has to count for something right?) you really don't seem to understand what the science is about. You can spout out that humans are racist all you want, that really isn't psychology. If you were to give a reason behind that aspect of human behavior (and support it) in short, it might qualify then. And then, if you are completely unconcerned with "petty politics" why are you arguing a political point?
          • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Not that I support it but racism is human nature. We all care more for those and that which is more like us to promote the species and genes of the self. I've debated before why racism is natural yet not something I really endorse other than for reasons of siding with the self and the ones that the self is closest to. We all do it. I sometimes side with racists and sometimes against them. Depending on how big an asshole someone comes across as. Friendship, even inter-racial, can traverse that effect and make it seem like it doesn't exist. I'm not arguing because I'm for or against China either. I just troll digg sometimes to challenge people to think about the reason for their actions and challenge my own thinking as well. It's all good and well and I'm not entirely serious. It's a game in itself and I thank all who debate me for being good sports. I love a good debate on digg once in a while.
          • frnzkfk, on 05/05/2008, -1/+0mathus is dumb. there will be no crunch. next...
        • soccerbud, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3The Chinese government has allowed the yuan's value to go up over 20% since 2005 btw.
          • chrissku, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1That's because China likes to manipulate it's currency. That's another issue Obama has promised to address.
          • benoitcsirois, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1And the US has allowed its currency to sink out of control.
    • Nickdotnet, on 05/05/2008, -6/+9Lets not forget PetroChina being the number 1 financial backer of the Darfur genocide as well....
      • Nickdotnet, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4And I'm getting dugg down why????
        • Incomp3tnt, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2The average Digg user is an ignorant 13 year old. They have no clue what you were talking about.
    • BumRush, on 05/05/2008, -3/+9All countries are responsible for all sorts of human rights violations... get over it for the Olympics...
      • Elwood19k20, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Even the U.S. bears the same burden of human rights violations, but that doesnt make it right. Screw the olympics if the world is going to *****. Somebody needs to set an example, and it is best done by the dissension of the masses of world civilization.
    • Incomp3tnt, on 05/05/2008, -8/+2Don't forget the animal torture.

      http://www.buyhard.fsnet.co.uk/animalcruelty.htm
      • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -5/+1Who gives a damn about animal torture, as long as it isn't humans what does it matter?
        • Incomp3tnt, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Sir, go ***** yourself. Are you saying animals don't feel pain? Would you stab your pet dog or cat and expect it not to cry out in agony?
          What the hell is wrong with you?
          • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2If i had the choice between stabbing a pet or a human, then yes i would stab that pet. I'm not saying I would woefully stab an animal for fun, but there are more concerns in this world than animal rights.
          • Incomp3tnt, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1I did not disagree with anyone regarding China's stance on human rights. Nor did I insinuate that a human's rights are any less important than an animal's. What I'm saying is that animals in China are born into a life of torture and pain, and are unable to defend themselves. The Chinese actually have shows where they torture animals for enjoyment. This is widely overlooked as everyone is jumping on the bandwagon of "Free Tibet! We're going to sit here and do nothing, expecting it to happen overnight because we made a post on a forum."
            Just remember we are not the only species on this planet, the world does not evolve around us merely because we are the dominant species.
          • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1In the US people dog fight, but that doesn't mean its a culturally accepted form of entertainment. I would argue that its the same thing in China, yeah people torture animals but it isn't something that is in the mainstream culture. Believe me, i'm Chinese.
          • Incomp3tnt, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Oh I totally agree with you on that, wc. The problem is there are no laws against such a thing in China. Animal cruelty in the US and the majority of other countries is a criminal offence, but in China it is totally legal for you to go and beat a dog/cat/whatever to within an inch of it's life for no reason and leave it there to die in pain. Why is this legal?
    • sjl127, on 05/05/2008, -1/+3And you all still buy "made in china" goods, not that we have a choice, but you could not buy and force manufacturers to again make our goods elsewhere...
    • JEdwardFuck, on 05/05/2008, -13/+11Right now the US is more like nazi germany that China is.
      • EntangledPhysx, on 05/05/2008, -3/+4Please, explain why you think this?
        • grimward, on 05/05/2008, -2/+7Waging war based on vague justifications, fostering a fascist control state, various propaganda being spread, protesters being silenced (don't tase me bro!)... need I go on?
          • EntangledPhysx, on 05/05/2008, -7/+4I'm going to need more evidence then the "don't taze me bro" incident.
          • mojomichael, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Especially given that the "don't tase me bro'" incident was so obviously a deliberate provocation of the security guards for personal promotion. That guy was there to get tased and was not going to shut up until he had gotten his wish on video. Wasn't there a story that he had tried similar stunts multiple times before? Didn't the assembled crowd cheer the tasing to some extent?
          • grimward, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Sure, I'll admit that the tase me bro incident might have been provoked to some extent, but what about the iraq war and the obvious control state? Last I heard, the feds got permission to copy your entire harddrive when you go in and out of the country, how far does it have to go before you people realize something is up with your "land of the free" ?
    • TracerMan, on 05/05/2008, -3/+14How can any idiot compare China to Nazi germany? You gotta be kidding me.
      • Justice101, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3They did host the Olympics though...
      • Elwood19k20, on 05/06/2008, -2/+1Obviously you do not realise the seriousness of the human rights crimes in China. Does killing people because they wish for political freedom sound like a civilized behavior? Maybe you prefer killing people that do not have blonde hair or blue eyes, but physical attributes are no less important that emotional attributes. It is still mass killing for the wrong reasons. Yes I agree that China has not commited crimes at the same scale as Nazi Germany, but they are starting off on the same track. This is not any worse that Saddam gassing people in the town that plotted to assasinate him. Look at how we judged him. Other people have been imprisoned for waterboarding, yet we are doing it today, how is that any different. I am sick of the double standards inflicted by stupid people. I am not a religious man, but I do believe in the term "do to others that you want done to you.". That being the case, we are in a very bad situation. Much of the world hates us. Do you really want to stick up for China?
        • TracerMan, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2Apples and oranges man, there's no other way to describe how naive you are.
    • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -4/+13Using historical examples to outline China's human rights violations is a poor argument. Along those lines, the Atlanta and Salt Lake City Olympics should have been boycotted because of the civil rights violations that did and still exist today. The Athens Olympics should have been boycotted because Spartans killed children deemed inferior. I would argue that in the status quo, the US has far greater human right violations than China. Guantanamo Bay, waterboarding, the Iraq War. I'm pretty sure the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed is a much greater atrocity than Tibet. If you digg me down, I ask that you provide me with a reason as to why you're digging me down.
      • frnzkfk, on 05/05/2008, -8/+3um sry, a couple hundred people in gitmo < tens of thousands of poltical prisoners in forced labor camps.
        collateral damage(tho unacceptably high in this war) < genocide of uygers, oh and funding (and providing the helicopters for) that lovely ethnic cleansing in Darfur...
        idiot.
        • wc3452, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5There's a difference between China funding Darfur and Chinese companies funding darfur. China is not a totally communist state and many of its business are autonomous. It would be saying since Ford motor company helped the Nazis, then the US funded the Nazis.
        • Jones4590, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1Yeah you're right. The Chinese gov't has no way to prevent arms sales to the Sudanese governenment. That's sounds right.
          • wc3452, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Just like how the US stopped Ford from helping the Nazis?
      • Arahail, on 05/05/2008, -2/+10I have spoken about this many times, but no one seems to care either way. No one likes to look at their own dark history and just like to live in their fantasy and think that they are great and always have been. I think slavery here is much worst than what happened in Tiananmen Square. Both are horrible, but I would say slavery is worst. The fact that China has been trying to clean its image for the Olympics rather than not care and act worst is a testament of why the Olympics should be held in China. China's human rights record isn't that good, and US might be worst(not just for slavery, but the endless conflicts caused by the US), but if the Olympics can actually help a country try to improve itself, however small, I say do it. Why host it in the US where people in the government are proud of keeping prisoners in prisons without charges, or other countries who thinks that they are so good that they don't need to improve, and that's why they should get the Olympics...why? Have people lost all sense of rationality?
    • stalman, on 05/05/2008, -1/+6Did you miss the hilarious aspect of this photo?
    • AnotherThought, on 05/05/2008, -6/+1it's a sign from a protester about German and Olympic why the ***** you bring up China? just because you they have their own ways of dealing with things and the people doesn't make it any more stranger than any other country's ways of dealing with different stuffs. There are hits and misses for everyone, it cant be perfect, get the ***** over it you none Chinese fan-boy.
      • chompsky, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2I think you missed the essence of the photo
    • ackbz1, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2did anyone stop to think that the protester is actually AWARE that Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics? The POINT of the sign is CLEARLY to illustrate that letting fascist and communist regimes host the Olympics is repugnant. The conversation the protester is trying to instigate, I think, is:
      Protester: "Would we allow Nazi Germany to host the Olympics?"
      Digg Users: "Duh, we did! Big pat on the back for all of us for knowing our history!!!"
      Protester: "No *****. And gee, don't we regret that? Do we really want to make that mistake again?"
      Digg Users: "oh."

      Or am I giving this guy way too much credit?
      • Gizza, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2I think you're giving him way too much credit. It's pretty hard to infer that level of thinking from that poster. If that was what he was going for he could have worded it in a much better way to convey it.
      • benoitcsirois, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1So are you saying that the protester actually meant "We allowed Nazi Germany to host the Olympics, let China too!"?
    • fpaudon, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1Feel free to bury this, but aren't Guantanamo Bay and the Iraq War human rights violations as well? And notice how the news outlets constantly report about China while ignoring events in Iraq and Darfur? Honestly, we should be fixing the problems with our own country rather than observing others as an ego boost.
      • EpicSelekta, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Uh, my Native American ancestors can think of at least a few violations that are a little bit worse than Gitmo and the Gulf War II.
    • EpicSelekta, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Sorry, but it Americans and Europeans are going to boycott China, they are going to have to boycott themselves due to over 500 years of atrocities committed against the Native Americans. If you're gonna say 'Free Tibet', you had better be saying "Give Chicago to the Potawatomi" as well.
    • benoitcsirois, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1"Most noted" by who? From what I have clearly seen, critics are calling for a boycott of the Beijing Olympics because of the Chinese government's repression of "peaceful protest" (note the quotes), which according to the exiled Tibetan government, has caused more than 100 deaths (yet there are no footage or photographs of those deaths).

      I'm not saying China has done no evil, but I if you choose to boycott the Beijing Olympics, then I hope you will feel the same way about the London 2012 Olympics, considering the UK's involvement in a pointless, murderous war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • mikeB, on 05/05/2008, -150/+1397Uhm, didn't Germany host the Olympics?
    • pbf444, on 05/05/2008, -12/+359Funny you should say that, yes they did.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics
      • madeingermany, on 05/05/2008, -4/+89From the Wikipedia article:
        "The sportive, knightly battle awakens the best human characteristics. It doesn't separate, but unites the combatants in understanding and respect. It also helps to connect the countries in the spirit of peace. That's why the Olympic Flame should never die."
        – Adolf Hitler, commenting on the 1936 Berlin Olympic Games
        I wonder if he said that before or after Jesse Owens won those 4 gold medals :)

        The other part I found quite interesting, also about Jesse Owens' experience in Nazi Germany:
        'Jesse Owens' participation in the 1936 Berlin Summer Olympics was controversial because he was African American in a world where segregation and racial discrimination were the norm in the U.S.A. at the time. However, during the Olympics Owens was able to freely use public transportation and enter bars and other public facilities without the difficulty he would face as a Black man in the States.'
        • Abomonog, on 05/05/2008, -0/+8He said it during the opening ceremonies if I remember it correctly.
        • ohmahgawd, on 05/05/2008, -1/+11Wow you must be old!
        • theodenking, on 05/05/2008, -3/+19And if he'd stayed he would have got free showers.
          • grimward, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6And a toasty sauna experience after that!
      • daizaru, on 05/05/2008, -0/+21936 was also 3 years before Nazi Germany invaded Poland. People need to remember back then that news only really traveled as far as radio waves... there was no such thing as the "world news" we have today. I sometimes fail to see the comparison between the two, if it was the 1944 Olympics that would be a different matter. At the time the nazi regime was in its infancy and there was still talk of boycott at the time. They invaded Poland 3 years later.

        China's problems are omnipresent, it's not a matter of most people being oblivious. These olympics in all likelyhood should be boycotted but for diplomatic problems it will never happen. Our governments are reliant on China and having them close their doors off to the rest of the world might not be the right thing to do anyways. The comparison to Nazi germany is stupid no matter what angle you look at it from.

        Germany's Olympics only strengthened their divide when a bunch of Aryan people brought home most of the medals. China is not about a master race and it probably serves best to try and help to influence change instead of just cutting them off from the rest of the world.
        • DephexTwin, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Well, don't neglect to mention that there were people quite familiar with Nazi ideology in the USA... who were all for it. There were NSDAP clubs and groups in the USA. When things changed during WWII, those groups went away.
      • notsodiggworthy, on 05/06/2008, -0/+0"Jesse Owens' was Hitler's best friend. Hitler wished he could run like Jesse, but alas Hitler was a white boy from a good Catholic upbringing. He later went on to burn anyone who could out run him in a race. Hitler was so bad at running which is why many disabled people were burnt as they out ran him."

        Gotta love that wikipedia!
      • linuxpenguin, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Here's a true gem of Wikipedia's wonderful information from your article:
        Dispute over boycott of the Olympics in the U.S.
        the yanks wussed out cause they knew they would loose so did themselves a favour and just didnt go. The cleverly disguised it as boycotting though, thinking they were taking the moral high ground when in fact they were yellow bellied chickens.
        Jesse Owens
        Main article: Jesse Owens
        Jesse Owens' was Hitler's best friend. Hitler wished he could run like Jesse, but alas Hitler was a white boy from a good Catholic upbringing. He later went on to burn anyone who could out run him in a race. Hitler was so bad at running which is why many disabled people were burnt as they out ran him.
    • OneLess, on 05/05/2008, -9/+592Golly you're sharp.
    • Rotzooi, on 05/05/2008, -6/+557...whoosh...
    • TRScheel, on 05/05/2008, -10/+44Yeah but that was when they were revered for being a great social experiment. There were a lot of people over here in the States that looked up to them (including Hitler).
      • Navicerts, on 05/05/2008, -16/+54Hitler was a US citizen that looked up to Nazi Germany? News to me.
        • ventralnet, on 05/05/2008, -2/+10Just node your head and say yes.. He must be off his meds
        • TRScheel, on 05/05/2008, -5/+3Its just worded badly, I meant to infer that a lot of people looked up to Germany, which at the time included Hitler.
        • MikeFromAmerica, on 05/05/2008, -1/+16Infer doesn't mean what you think it does.
          • insertAliasHere, on 05/05/2008, -0/+9You infer, I imply.
          • TRScheel, on 05/05/2008, -2/+29As an non native english speaker I have one thing to say:

            You come speak spanish as well as I speak english and then we'll argue semantics
          • insertAliasHere, on 05/05/2008, -4/+2Well, I was making a "Simpsons" quote, not criticizing.
          • Cowboy1015, on 05/05/2008, -2/+1ok.
      • heucuva, on 05/05/2008, -3/+33Try reading the wording in the intended way:

        "There were... people... in the [United] States [who] looked up to [Nazi-occupied Germany] ([which included] Hitler)"
        • Kennerk, on 05/05/2008, -0/+11thats like a big ass mad-lib!!
          • scoot2006, on 05/05/2008, -0/+8Not a very fun mad-lib...
          • dynatos, on 05/05/2008, -0/+10The tall man entered the nice building to visit a very nice man. Sit down Mr. Smith, can I interest you in any good cat food?
          • spikespikespike, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4The STUPID man sold a car...
          • dudeguy1234, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1@ spikespikespike At WAAAAYYYY below dealer cost!
          • paperclipsNsoup, on 05/05/2008, -1/+3There were... people... in the [demented] States, [many] looked up to [LOL cats] ([but none more than] Hitler)

            Seems like an interesting mad-lib to me
        • ICSU, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Nazis occupied Germany?
    • Andrew10, on 05/05/2008, -21/+0hence the question on the board....its pointing out we're acting like we did then..
    • LiquidIse, on 05/05/2008, -6/+122Thank you, that's the joke Ted.
    • ObscurusAnima, on 05/05/2008, -12/+51THAT WAS THE JOKE
      *ARNIE/ RENIER WOLFCASTLE voice*
    • Borgcube, on 05/05/2008, -7/+60Thank you Captain Obvious.
      • EgaoNoGenki, on 05/05/2008, -5/+2His full name is Oliver Baines Vious.
        Isn't that obvious!?
      • Captain_Obvious, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3You're welcome Borgcube.
    • l3itchplease, on 05/05/2008, -10/+91hahaha that guys fails so much that he wins
      • TKn00b, on 05/05/2008, -2/+2I just lost the game.
      • celkin, on 05/05/2008, -0/+11/0

        Also, I lost too.
      • kevir, on 05/06/2008, -1/+04chan dot ***** org
        I said it!
      • keviniskool, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1 ------->-------------------------------------------->----------------------------------------------------->--------
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      • sarixe, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2integer underflow O.o
    • gadgetlust, on 05/05/2008, -37/+5Was anyone else only aware of this fact because of the movie Contact?
      • BradleyNowell1, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4Really?
      • Nobi-Wan, on 05/05/2008, -0/+24No, I went to school.
      • Borgcube, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3What movie?
      • switzorn, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3i never saw contact, but allow me to make you feel dumb ass well by restating Nobi-Wan's comment. I went to school.
        • HoratioHellpop, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Whatever school you went to, they apparently glossed over grammar ...
      • Nillerus, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Ouch. Really?
      • g00ee, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Well, that confirmed it for me but I think I would have known it anyway ...
    • stonedtestbunny, on 05/05/2008, -8/+21No way. thats crazy. We've Landed on the moon!
    • homah, on 05/05/2008, -5/+168how does this guy get 174 diggs for not understanding the joke?
      • evilelf2407, on 05/05/2008, -2/+29pity diggs
      • freakydingo, on 05/05/2008, -3/+51Because they didn't get it either.
      • KingGorilla, on 05/05/2008, -2/+35becase 174 people didn't understand the joke
        • Jaliyl, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Make that 574 people
        • slimZX, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2600
          including me
        • celkin, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2It's over 9000!!!

          Or over 1200 at least...but I'm sure it'll reach 9000 eventually.
      • rezonq3, on 05/05/2008, -4/+9I thought he was making a joke on the obviousness of the joke of the picture...

        (Rethinks his statement: 'joke on the obviousness(is obviousness a word, hmm Firefox didn't mark it misspelled, must be a word, ok) of the joke of the picture(the picture is a joke to those who knew the Olympics were held in Germany in 1936, so it's indeed a joke that the person in the picture didn't already know this)' ok I think my statement makes sense...)
        • MedicalMatt, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1I lost interest after "I thought..."
      • victordelprete, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1Because if it was a joke, it wasn't funny..?
      • D3PyroGS, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Er, 867?
      • Locke23, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2The same way you got 119 for pointing out the obvious.
      • PhireN, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2II saw it was at 999, so I had to digg it to 1000.
        It just came out funny.
      • metric7, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Because many diggers are stupid?
      • ubrikkean, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Peer pressure!
        That's why I dugg it.
    • dajernts, on 05/05/2008, -2/+12That's the point of this submission.
    • ZTiger, on 05/05/2008, -12/+7LOL, wow I hate to say it but you know that person who had the sign was an American. I sigh deeply for my country men/women.
    • miko555, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3Thanks tips.
    • polarbobbear, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5They also hosted the winter Olympics that same year in Garmisch-Partenkirchen.
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        • antiorblkflag9, on 05/05/2008, -2/+4no, Facepalm'd
        • celkin, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3facepalm.jpg FTW
      • kenedamick, on 05/05/2008, -7/+1Man I love the one with the bald guy too. I suppose I'm a big key-illustration gay guy, huh.
      • Klak, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2relevant, for once.
    • danielsan1701, on 05/05/2008, -1/+27Jesse Owens, FTW!
    • Soave, on 05/05/2008, -0/+12I think this comment is dugg because people couldn't understand the point of the submission. While the fact that it's in 'comedy' should've given it away, to others it appears to be a legitimate message urging action against China (submission emphasis on the political message rather than the comedy). Hope that makes sense.
    • techboy, on 05/05/2008, -3/+29Hitler was named man of the year by time magazine that year.
      • Dignan666, on 05/05/2008, -0/+33Man of the Year for Time is not an honor. It simply means the person who has had the most impact on the world that year.
      • diggydoc, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4so does that mean we can get that basement-building Austrian guy on Time magazine this year?
        • mrASSMAN, on 05/05/2008, -3/+1He didn't have much impact on the world.
      • MedicalMatt, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5Was that after Lebowski won?
    • MoClippa, on 05/05/2008, -1/+6Not just that, but the lighting of the torch and the interlocking rings are all Nazi Germany's contributions to the olympics
      http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/14/spt_ol ...

      As far as I'm concerned, I could care less if China hosts the Olympics. If we banned every country in the world that has committed gross human rights violations over the last decade from being allowed to host, then we'd just be left with the Scandinavians and people from the Nordic region.
      • TheSuperunknown, on 05/05/2008, -2/+3How about the fact that China sucks?
      • stuffblock, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Don't worry, they're next. The raping, pillaging blood is in them. Be afraid, be very afraid.
      • Thogster, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Please don't make us host the Olympics. It's bad enough our government is trying to have us host the Winter Olympics sometime in the distant future already, but if we were to host it every year, I'd be incredibly sad...
      • Syphon8, on 05/05/2008, -2/+3The last decade? You'd still have Canada, Greenland, Australia, and all of Europe.
        • Nillerus, on 05/05/2008, -0/+5Australia? All of Europe? Really? Fairly sure checking out the Amnesty International homepage might make you change your statement.
      • carve, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1How much less could you care? Sounds like you couldn't care less to me.
    • MisterEX, on 05/05/2008, -6/+1FIXED. http://img.waffleimages.com/5e2b79037dba00ba4cda5e ...
    • wrestlingnrj, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2One of the USA's olympians for running actually stole the Nazi flag from the olympics and still has it to this day. Look up Louis Zamperini.
    • H1tchh1k3r, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2THAT'S NOT THE POINT
    • scaaven2, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2good work, einstein
    • almightyzam, on 05/06/2008, -3/+6+851 diggs for not understanding the joke?
    • ackbz1, on 05/06/2008, -6/+4did anyone stop to think that the protester is actually AWARE that Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics? The POINT of the sign is CLEARLY to illustrate that letting fascist and communist regimes host the Olympics is repugnant. The conversation the protester is trying to instigate, I think, is:
      Protester: "Would we allow Nazi Germany to host the Olympics?"
      Digg Users: "Duh, we did! Big pat on the back for all of us for knowing our history!!!"
      Protester: "No *****. And gee, don't we regret that? Do we really want to make that mistake again?"
      Digg Users: "oh."

      Or am I giving this guy way too much credit?
    • Evermin7, on 05/06/2008, -0/+3Most diggs evar!
    • shawnb, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1dad?
    • DestroyFascism, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1!!Bingo!!
  • strobelite33, on 05/05/2008, -11/+849"The 1936 Summer Olympics, officially known as the Games of the XI Olympiad, were held in 1936 in Berlin, Germany...Hitler used the Olympics as a tool for propaganda...[b]y allowing only members of the "Aryan race" to compete for Germany, Hitler further promoted his ideological belief of racial supremacy..."

    next time you want to make a protest sign, spend about two minutes on wikipedia just to make sure you don't end up looking like a jackass.
    • madeingermany, on 05/05/2008, -9/+7Some background and source for the image:
      http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/20 ...
      • Witchdoktor, on 05/05/2008, -1/+8Okay, worst source!! What is that!?
        • MacEnvy, on 05/05/2008, -0/+6It's a pseudo-conservative watchdog group. And by "pseudo-conservative" I mean "warmongering perceived-bias-whiners".
      • Flamancot, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2that guy, Rowan whatever - what an uber douche! fail, ***** article - buried.
        • diptheria, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Rowan Benum is the ***** photographer you stupid douche! He took the picture. He did not make the sign. He did not write the "***** article." Is it really that hard to pay attention (especially if you are going to post a comment?)
      • madeingermany, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4Sorry - I'd bury myself, if I could. - It was the only article I could find that credited the original photographer and I did not read it before posting :(
    • IslandSaint, on 05/05/2008, -11/+4What the sign is asking is "Were we wrong in allowing Nazi Germany to host the Olympics?" I am assuming that the person who painted the sign knew that Germany hosted the games, but is saying, we shouldn't have allowed them too, just like we shouldn't allow China to. I am not saying China and Nazi Germany are in the same league, but I believe the sign maker is trying to compare the issues of human rights abuses by each country.
      • MerryMortician, on 05/05/2008, -0/+9never underestimate the stupidity of others.
      • flashback99, on 05/05/2008, -1/+4The maker of the sign is what is commonly known as a 'idiot'. Yes nazi germany hosted the Olympics, just Athens held the Olympics just as China will hold the olympics just as the UK will hold the Olympics.

        Think for one second about the athletes that train hard to break world records, that compete in training throughout the year to give their personal best in front of the world. That's what the Olympics is about, not the politics of countries that commit atrocities. Why not? because EVERY country commits atrocities.
      • aquireworth, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Then why does the sign say "would we have.."? If they wanted to say we were wrong to let Germany host the games then they could have come up with a much better way to say it, like: don't repeat what we did with Germany in 1936.
    • xGORDOx, on 05/05/2008, -9/+3I posted this weeks ago:

      http://digg.com/world_news/Jesse_Owens_rolls_in_hi ...
    • sodoh, on 05/05/2008, -0/+35Pretty sure Hitler also was the one who started the torch running as well.
      • Abomonog, on 05/05/2008, -0/+14Yes, he was. It was another propaganda stunt. This one worked very well.
      • aMammoth, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1Yeah it was, its pretty funny that its coming back around to the Chinese.
      • mrASSMAN, on 05/05/2008, -0/+11Wow I didn't know that..
    • dajernts, on 05/05/2008, -1/+5Who are you criticizing? You don't know who made the sign, when they did or why. You can't even see the person. For all we know the picture could be completely taken out of context.
      • EgaoNoGenki, on 05/05/2008, -5/+3"Would we have allowed Soviet Russia to host the Olympics?"
        In Soviet Russia, the Olympics hosts SOVIET RUSSIA!
    • tomtom10, on 05/05/2008, -2/+1"The IOC had awarded the Games to Berlin in 1931 with no idea that Adolf Hitler was to take power in Germany two years later. By 1936, the Nazis had control over Germany and had already begun to implement their racist policies. There was international debate as to whether the 1936 Olympics in Nazi Germany should be boycotted. The United States was extremely close to boycotting but at the last minute decided to accept the invitation to attend. "

      you read some to asshat!
      • damon5334, on 05/05/2008, -0/+0I was reading to see if anyone would bring up the fact that Germany was allowed to host before Hitler came to power before I posted it. So the question should be... If the Nazis controlled Germany in 1931, should they have been allowed to host the Olympics?
    • temporaryescape, on 05/05/2008, -3/+6come on, everyone knows wikipedia is lies....

      but seriously, i think the sign holder is saying that America shouldn't repeat itself, learn and change from the past
    • EgaoNoGenki, on 05/05/2008, -1/+3Well said, strobelite.
      "The 2020 Summer Olympics will be held in Pyongyang..." :-O
    • Waterpig222, on 05/05/2008, -9/+0"The 1936 Summer Olympics, officially known as the Games of the XI Olympiad, were held in 1936 in Berlin, Germany...Hitler used the Olympics as a tool for propaganda...[b]y allowing only members of the "Aryan race" to compete for Germany, Hitler further promoted his ideological belief of racial supremacy..."

      Way to show you know any thing about history and you can go any farther then WIKIPIDIA. AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE IN THE OLYMPICS THAT YEAR. I think they only got 15 MEDALS "[b]y allowing only members of the "Aryan race" to compete for Germany," Shut up GO TO SCHOOL.
      • c0un7, on 05/05/2008, -1/+3Umm, african-americans competed for the US, and not Germany? The German team was "aryan-only". Now quit yer yellin, and learn to read posts properly.
      • condeh, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2At school I learned that AFRICAN AMERICANS could not compete for Germany.
        I guess you missed that lesson.
    • Balks, on 05/05/2008, -1/+8The greatest part about this particular olympic competition is that Hitler's "Supreme Aryan Race" got its ass handed to it by a Black American Hero known as Jesse Owens!
      • victordelprete, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Too bad running only makes someone superior if they're hunting in the sahara desert with a spear. Otherwise building Benz, Audi, Porsche, BMW cars makes one superior...
        • falkonv7l, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Benz, Audi, Porsche, BMW + superior = dugg!
    • amirman, on 05/05/2008, -6/+3i just thought i'd point out that it wasn't TECHNICALLY Nazi Germany until after the '36 Olympics. Just Sayin'
      • staffa, on 05/05/2008, -3/+3eww, utter fail.
        • amirman, on 05/05/2008, -2/+3it's true - hitler was the leader but the Nazi party did not yet have control of the government. sorry for educating you.
          • staffa, on 05/06/2008, -2/+2I don't know what act you would consider the formation of Nazi Germany

            OK, so not Hitler assuming the chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933

            Apparently not the enabling act that was passed on march 1933, which gave the Nazi party total legislative power

            Apparently not the July 14, 1933 declaration of a one party nazi state.

            Or adoption of the imperialistic Nazi swastika flag as one of the 2 officially legal national flags in 1933 and its eventually ascendancy as the sole national flag by 1935.

            Or the January 30, 1934 act to rebuild the Reich which made Germany a centralized stated, disbanding all state parliaments and putting all power under central control.

            I appreciate your apology though, not many apologize for the misinformation and ***** they spew.
    • pdbailey, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1At the same time, the sign has been far more effective since it has been dug.
    • RareSaturn, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1I believe the sign-writer knows only too well about the 1936 Olympics, and is using irony to make a point. Well done too.
  • Hobobaggins, on 05/05/2008, -20/+28If it is my ideology, it should be your ideology.
    • sexybobo, on 05/05/2008, -11/+10Here is my ideology don't slaughter thousands of people.
      • pintomp3, on 05/05/2008, -5/+12neither china nor america share that ideology.
        • HoratioHellpop, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2nor pretty much any other country on the planet, at some time or another. Nice try, dickhead.
      • str1fe, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2Holy run-on sentence batman!
    • allemande, on 05/05/2008, -0/+7Or, "if you don't agree with me, then we're obviously not talking about the same thing"
      • str1fe, on 05/06/2008, -0/+2I prefer "If you don't agree with me, you misunderstood me."
    • UnterDenLinden, on 05/05/2008, -1/+3Or, "don't deny the athlethes, whom this event is all about, the chance to compete in the event they have been working towards for four years because your political whining is far more important."
      • chesstwin, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3I agree...but
        Something must be done about Tibet, enough is enough. The world has turned a blind eye for so long because we need China, but seriously.... its just sick what China does to the Tibetans. All that said, the Olympics is not the place to fight this battle. Maybe an effective congress would be nice...
  • BottledSunshine, on 05/05/2008, -8/+330Every hear of Jesse Owens? Adolph was not happy that a black man from Alabama laid waste to his ideals of the invincible Aryan superman.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/kids/dreamteam/jesseowen ...
    FTA: At that time, Germany was ruled by the powerful dictator Adolph Hitler, whose beliefs in racial supremacy and destructive actions led to World War II. European newspapers insulted Jesse and the other 11 African-Americans competing on America's 66-member Olympic track and field team.
    Jesse Owens and other great black and Jewish athletes proved Hitler wrong. Jesse won four gold medals at that Olympics, in the 100-meters sprint, the 200-meter sprint, the long jump and the 400-meter relay, setting two Olympic records and one world record. His long jump record would last for 25 years. The son of a sharecropper and grandson of a slave had shown that hard work, talent and determination made champions. The German spectators gave Owens a standing ovation.
    • badwithcomputer, on 05/05/2008, -2/+148http://i26.tinypic.com/29e0pcy.jpg
      • BottledSunshine, on 05/05/2008, -2/+18Great find badwithcomputer!
        • zackkitzmiller, on 05/06/2008, -1/+1Google image jesse owns, first image.
          • masterm1nd, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2He never claimed he was good with computer
      • chanop, on 05/05/2008, -3/+9He looks scared
        • JMCtg, on 05/05/2008, -0/+15Wouldn't you be?
        • xtinamo, on 05/05/2008, -2/+47Not at all, the dude behind him is just about to tap him on the shoulder and tell him how badass he is.
        • HubrisDeadPan, on 05/05/2008, -2/+12He doesn't look scared he looks tired after winning 4 medals and basically owning Germany in the face. It's hard work putting Nazis in their place..
          • BeyondGoodNEvil, on 05/05/2008, -4/+9#1 Germany 89 total medals
            #2 USA 56 total medals
            Germany blew the rest of the world away. Only in America with our dumbed down youth and lying media could we alter history to invent a story about Jesse Owens being snubbed by Hitler (he wasn't and said so), and invent generalizations like "they really showed those Nazis!" when the reality is the total ***** 180º opposite. Only in America with the great "master of the lie" dominating the media outlets from the '30s on. All you highly specialized, but narrowly educated diggers need to read up on real history. The victors rewrite history to cover their OWN evil. Lies are the only worthwhile taboo.
          • alpha19, on 05/05/2008, -3/+2@BeyondGoodNEvil:

            Chill pill, take one.
          • Yonson, on 05/05/2008, -2/+5@ BeyondGoodNEvil
            Hitler said Aryans were physically superior to all other races. Jesse Owens set a world record long jump that stood for 25 years. Therefore -> Hitler = wrong.
          • BeyondGoodNEvil, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2@Yonson
            Did Hitler say that, or is it another myth? Do you have a quote or are you just parroting what elementary school through college has taught you? Physically superior is a meaningless term. What constitutes superiority, strength or speed? It's another ***** "good vs. evil" construct. Everything is superior in one category or another. A bacterium is superior to a human in the ability to withstand extreme temperatures, for example.
        • Abomonog, on 05/05/2008, -4/+15If he was scared, it was not because of the Nazi's. It was because of white supremest backlash in the U.S. who would have rather lost to Germany than see any white man beaten in a competition.
          Germany treated Owens very well even after the games. Unlike the Americans. Owens did receive death threats apon his return home after the Olympics for being "uppity" and beating white men in an international public event.
          • Malacandra95, on 05/05/2008, -5/+9Yeah. Nazi Germany was a real class act.
        • KyleGoetz, on 05/05/2008, -0/+8No, he looks like he's out of breath from having just won a ***** gold medal.
      • me1.0, on 05/05/2008, -5/+3What I like is that Germany and Japan didn't realize that the Good ol' US of A would be handing them their asses again in the next few years.
        • iticu, on 05/05/2008, -1/+8Yeah, because the US of A won the war by themselves.
        • carpeclunes, on 05/06/2008, -1/+4Seeing as the only major victory before the US joined was the Battle of Britain, and that was just a defensive victory, I'd say the US at least carried more than their fair share.
      • skinflute, on 05/05/2008, -0/+45There's also a nice story about the silver medalist Luz Long (on the right):
        http://espn.go.com/sportscentury/features/00016393 ...

        With one jump remaining, Luz Long, a tall, blue-eyed, blond German long jumper who was his stiffest competition, introduced himself. He suggested that Owens make a mark several inches before the takeoff board and jump from there to play it safe. Owens took the advice, and qualified.

        In the finals that afternoon, Long's fifth jump matched Owens' 25-10. But Owens leaped 26-3¾ on his next attempt and won the gold medal with a final jump of 26-5½. The first to congratulate the Olympic record holder was Long, who looked like the model Nazi but wasn't.

        "It took a lot of courage for him to befriend me in front of Hitler," Owens said. "You can melt down all the medals and cups I have and they wouldn't be a plating on the 24-karat friendship I felt for Luz Long at that moment. Hitler must have gone crazy watching us embrace.
      • LCapitan, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Thanks for posting this.
      • cannonball, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2And I'm proud to be an American...
    • HeadJam, on 05/05/2008, -1/+7Very informative thanks.
    • CorneliusStump, on 05/05/2008, -34/+5SIEG HEIL!!! SIEG HEIL!!!
    • dolemite01, on 05/05/2008, -29/+9And the black man hasn't stopped owning whitey in anything athletic since.
      • ssn697, on 05/05/2008, -1/+28What do you call a black man being chased by 200 white men?

        The PGA Tour...
        • flashback99, on 05/05/2008, -13/+2No, that's called a lynchmob, now a Blasian on the other hand...
      • Abomonog, on 05/05/2008, -8/+5What do you call a black man being chased by 200 white men?

        Police business.
      • bratterscain, on 05/05/2008, -7/+4Animals can beat humans at certain athletics as well. Do they accel in IQ or academics as humans do? And who owns who now? Same can be argued with black vs white IQ's. And being black, I know you don't want to go there. Stop with the ***** ***** racist rants.
    • trogdorBURN, on 05/05/2008, -6/+8EPIC AFRICAN AMERICAN PWNAGE
      • ManoWar, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3yup and he earned every bit of it
      • Pluth, on 05/05/2008, -0/+2Damn it, I read that too fast and buried you... I didn't see the African part. What's done is done though.
    • BeyondGoodNEvil, on 05/05/2008, -5/+43Umm how about read the truth about the 1936 Olympics for once. Jesse Owens said himself (in his biography or autobiography) that Hitler stood and waved at him, and that the press showed bad taste in criticizing the "man of the hour" in Germany. In fact, Owens said FDR snubbed him, not Hitler. Also, Germany absolutely dominated that Olympics, winning more medals (89) than anyone else. USA was 2nd with 56. http://german.about.com/library/blgermyth10.htm
      • Nordic86, on 05/05/2008, -4/+3Don't expect people to digg your comment, that would make them evil racist Nazis themselves.
        • BeyondGoodNEvil, on 05/05/2008, -2/+4Yes, I wish people would get beyond the whole "good vs. evil" BS dichotomy. False constructs of reality pose a serious hindrance to the upward development of the species. Facts are our friends, and those who aren't on reality's side are at a disadvantage to those who embrace reality. Good is what increases the long-term survivability of the species, evil is what harms us. Truth gives us a more precise grasp on reality, a more seamless interface with it, while fiction (though it "can be fun"-Jim Carrey, Ace Ventura, 1994) creates confusion. Those of us who do fully embrace reality must maximize our leverage in the world, since reality is the greatest tool that many choose not to use.
        • 533n, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1While I agree with your disdain for the good vs. evil mentality, it doesn't really apply to Nazi Germany.
          • BeyondGoodNEvil, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1How doesn't it apply to Nazi Germany? The whole war was based on the idea that Hitler invaded Poland, when in reality, that part of Poland had been German prior to WW1, and was stolen and given to Poland. German people were living in that area, speaking German, living as Germans, and Hitler wanted to reunite them. Meanwhile, the British had an empire that stretched around the entire world, from conquering other peoples. Churchill after the war said they slaughtered the wrong pig. Before the war, he had said Germany is getting too strong, they must crush them. WW2 was an economic war. Hitler wasn't going along with the central banking system based on eternal debt to international bankers, and he solved their depression in just a few short years while the rest of Europe and America was still suffering. "Judea declares war on Germany" was the headline of the London Daily Express one day in 1933. That's the real root cause of the war. Lindbergh and Henry Ford saw this as well, as their newspapers were beating the war drums against all popular opinion... just like today.
      • TheMime, on 05/06/2008, -3/+4How could Hitler have stood and waved at him if he wasn't even in attendance? I'll quote the source that you cited. "Jesse Owens had his victories on the second day, when Hitler was no longer in attendance."
        • BeyondGoodNEvil, on 05/06/2008, -1/+3Ok, I see that link didn't have the full facts. Wikipedia entry for Jesse Owens has it: "When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany." -The Jesse Owens Story, 1970
      • 533n, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1Mentioning that Germany won the Olympics that year is irrelevant. Hitler invested millions in training so he could show the world Aryans were superior. It wasn't that they had any more talent, it was that the German athletes were all supplied with the best possible training money could buy.
    • rogueman, on 05/05/2008, -10/+4The article is written for kids, but anyways, Hitler was _not_ a dictator. Definitely not at that time, and arguably never. Also I'm pretty sure he had a charming personality.
      • mrbeagle, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4He also loved braiding hair and cuddling puppies
      • BabyWookie, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1Hilter was a sensitive man.
      • nydwarf, on 05/05/2008, -0/+3Saddam Hussein wasn't a dictator either.
    • wutimatang, on 05/05/2008, -0/+8Hitler went to great lengths during the 1936 Olympics to portray the Nazi party in a good light. There was an utmost importance by Hitler to keep politics and any other sort of bad PR out of the games. Of course this was all a show, to further gain acceptance of the Nazi party and to strengthen it's appeal. The 1936 Olympics was a huge success for the Nazi party.
    • muffinmonk, on 05/05/2008, -1/+1HURRAH! now let us pray...
    • Jones4590, on 05/06/2008, -3/+0"Owens and other great black and Jewish athletes proved Hitler wrong"

      Professional Jewish athletes? buried for inaccuracy.
    • zeromancer, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2Buckeyes represent.
    • Elwood19k20, on 05/06/2008, -4/+1Today the U.S. is led by the powerful dictator George W. Bush whos beliefs in religious supremacy and destructive acts due to a lust for oil to support the petro industry and support for poppy fields in foriegn nations to assist big pharma will eventually lead us to WW3.
    • 911ArtStudent, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2Sorry BS but that was another lie: http://hnn.us/articles/571.html
      • foopirata, on 05/06/2008, -1/+2From your link: "Hitler did snub a black American athlete, but it was Cornelius Johnson, not Jesse Owens. It happened the first day of the meet. Just before Johnson was to be decorated, Hitler left the stadium. A Nazi spokesman explained that Hitler's exit had been pre-scheduled, but no one believes that."

        So, not much of a lie but a mis-representation.
  • skippyoh, on 05/05/2008, -4/+221Yes..yes we would.
    • kylemkupper, on 05/05/2008, -3/+5and we did
    • Rileyluck, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1wasnt Adolph the one who came up with the idea for the running of the torch?
      • Ex3poo, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1nah the italians or romans did
        thats when they came up with the name brand "Nike"
        Its what the runner said when he finally got to the games
      • Rileyluck, on 05/06/2008, -0/+1actually my friend i was correct and i quote

        "The Olympic torch is being welcomed this weekend in the UK as a symbol of the sporting spirit, uniting people around the world in peaceful competition.


        But the idea of lighting the torch at the ancient Olympian site in Greece and then running it through different countries has much darker origins.


        It was invented in its modern form by the organisers of the 1936 Olympics in Berlin.


        And it was planned with immense care by the Nazi leadership to project the image of the Third Reich as a modern, economically dynamic state with growing international influence."
  • phyuk, on 05/05/2008, -9/+78ohhh the irony is just soo delicious =P
  • Longdavidi, on 05/05/2008, -8/+97The irony is delicious, but this kind of stupidity ignorance hurts me on so many levels.
    Oh my.
    • HeadJam, on 05/05/2008, -10/+4How is this irony again? Everyone KNOWS society is dumbing down. It would be ironic if the protester got it RIGHT.
      • Navicerts, on 05/05/2008, -0/+9it would be unlikely, not ironic. The ironic part of this is that the protester used a "fictional example" that was in fact correct (fat chance from the protesters point of view).
    • pjbrown88, on 05/05/2008, -0/+4Anyway, this irony is great, it's so delicious and moist...
      • fajitamelt, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1You have to baste it every once in a while so it doesn't dried out. While it is still cooking in the oven, make a side of mashed potatoes and a green bean casserole.
    • Cheddar79, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Its a knee jerk reaction to which the protester did not put all the facts together...they simply picked one of History's worst regimes and tried to use it in conjunction with the games.

      I'll get dugg down for saying it but... epic fail.
      • Chassit, on 05/05/2008, -0/+1The Epic fail is the protester and his sign.
        It is not a knee jerk, the protester should keep his mouth shut about things he obviously has no clue about. As it is, he has lost all credibility and has opened himself to justifiable ridicule, as have his defender's (you).
  • macmangb, on 05/05/2008, -29/+5They orchestrate the touch relay to portray peaceful protests as violent. The supposed Chinese woman in the wheel chair that was disrupted in a leg of the relay wasn't even disabled!

    We should ban all Chinese from entering all countries until they give independence to Taiwan and Tibet. The Chinese have murdered millions of Tibetans, have orchestrated human rights abuses in Burma and have links to known terrorist groups. The government will turn a blind eye to this but we shouldn't!
    • autitastic, on 05/05/2008, -1/+18Actually, the population of Tibet is roughly 2.6 million, meaning that it is unlikely that millions of Tibetans have been killed by the Chinese. Who is 'they' that orchestrated 'violent' protests? Did China orchestrate, or simply refuse to condemn, as many other countries have done, human rights atrocities in Burma?
      China isn't great when it comes down to it, but there's no need to blow it fully out of proportion.
      • farboo, on 05/05/2008, -1/+2Actually many ethnic Tibetans live outside the autonomous region of Tibet.
      • Fafnir43, on 05/05/2008, -3/+1Well, as to your second point there's pretty good evidence that at least some of the violent protests were carried out by Chinese soldiers working undercover (presumably for PR reasons).