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- Gdoubleod, on 10/12/2007, -23/+92Cindy Sheehan's full comment:
"No, because it's not true," Sheehan replied. "You know Iraq was no threat to the United States of America until we invaded. I mean they're not even a threat to the United States of America. Iraq was not involved in 9-11, Iraq was not a terrorist state. But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country. The terrorism is growing and people who never thought of being car bombers or suicide bombers are now doing it because they want the United States of America out of their country."
Here is the video she said it on:
http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://dc.indymedia.org/usermedia/video/2/cindyonbus.mov
Make your own Judgements. - msbeckman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30make sure you watch the begining of the clip when letterman dips his pencil into O'Reilly's water, that he later drinks.
- mathyoo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+34why is it weird or ironic to call them freedom fighters? our government may call them insurgents, but they think of themselves as freedom fighters. Look back a little over 200 years ago-what do you think the British though of our founding fathers? You think they didn't perceive tham as insurgents? I'm not saying that I support the insurgents/freedom fighters, but realistically, they really are just fighting for what they perceive is their freedom.
- dasch, on 10/12/2007, -13/+34Calling them freedom fighters is *****. It's not even like they're attacking the U.S. troops that often, they just blow their own countrymen up for being of a different sect.
- stratmancj, on 10/12/2007, -22/+41why would letterman say 60% of what oreilly says is crap and then say he doens't watch his show ... i personally can't stand oreilly but david letterman just makes himself look stupid
- techmonkey4u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You can tell from the very beginning, this wasn't going to be a regular Letterman-style interview. You can tell from the very beginning Letterman doesn't respect O'Reilly.. not to say I have any strong feelings either way on the guy, but the tension was there from the beginning.
- bjtitus, on 10/12/2007, -13/+26They both have logical arguments. Now that I see Cindy Sheehan's comments in full, I don't feel so against Letterman's point of view. She didn't exactly call terrorist's freedom fighters, she just stated the obvious, that Iraqis are scared of the American troops and some are joining the extremist groups in revenge for what a select few American troops have done.
Unfortunately, Bill O'Reilly also makes a good case that the troops need support and as witnessed in the story about Private Green (linked below), many soldiers know about the lack of support at home and take the meaningless war to heart in their fighting. If they had more confidence in their work, then maybe the armed forces would be having better luck in Iraq.
http://digg.com/world_news/I_came_to_Iraq_here_because_I_wanted_to_kill_people_Pvt_Green_502nd - cbiz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20Now I know why I don't have a TV.
- frednofr, on 10/12/2007, -23/+36@blackjack75
The unrest is due to sectarian violence, between shia terrorists and sunni ones. What caused this sectarian violence is the lack of order in the aftermath of the ousting of Saddam.
Of course, both of these terrorist groups dislike the coalition and want to blow them up as well.
But most Iraqis want the coalition to stay. - hbweb500, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14There is a difference between supporting troops and supporting the war. Whoever came up with the idealogy that it is unpatriotic and harmful to criticize the administration in a time of war is clearly trying to blow off mistakes.
The troops and the war are not the same. One can support troops and not a war. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -20/+29Exactly. Letterman is your typical celebrity "do as I say, not as I do" blowhard.
- Mekun, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11If you watch david stirs oreilly's cup with his pencil at the begining of the show. I dont really care for Bill O'Reilly, hes just a media whore. But why would dave have him on his show but for ratings. Dave is just a goof who isnt funny anymore.Dave makes no valid point if he wont atleast do his homework and watch the show. He just comes off as ass. imo
- KingMoses, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Bill won.
- dasch, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10I'd be interested in numbers on how many of these supposed "freedom fighters" are even Iraqis -- I suspect most are from other Muslim countries. They're not just trying to target the U.S. The Sunnis are killing the Shiites and vice versa. This is sheer terrorism, at its worst. Ah, if only Saddam Hussein was still in power, we wouldn't have this chaos. He'd just systematically kill one part of the people.
- everywhereasign, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8LOL!! That was great! I totally didn't see that the first time around!
- WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Cute article. Letterman was OK, but he's no John Stewart, or Bill Maher -- still, I like him, even though I don't watch any of the crappy, corporate owned TV stations with their anesthetic shows helping to 'dumb-down' America (if that were even possible any more.)
It reminded me a bit of when Jon Stewart was on Crossfire -- which apparently resulted in Crossfire getting cancelled.
Here's a link, that actually has the enormous number of commercials from the original show edited out.
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2652831 - 2oonhed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Hezbollah has homes in Lebanon which house a missile in which the family sleep with a
missile.
When you sleep with a missile, sometimes you don't wake up in the morning.
- ISRAELI U.N. AMBASSADOR DAN GILLERMAN, 30 Jul 2006 - Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Oh yes, that comment makes you seem so cool and up-to-date. Dumbass, pointless comments are bad enough, and a dime a dozen, but the ones like this just really illustrate the ignorance of some digg users. This doesn't have a thing to do with calling O'Reilly a "pig" either. Just read it, if you can...geeze.
- toekneebullard, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Why would you invite someone on your show just to treat them with disrespect? I don't get that at all. If you don't believe 60% of what he says, then why let him spout off anything on your show?
Orielly is an idiot, but I think Letterman is in the wrong here. - merm, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The only reason that she called them "freedom fighters" is because that is what they call themselves. I don't think that she approves of "terrorists" that killed her son. If you take her entire comment in context she isn't talking about the "freedom fighters" at all, she's talking about the fact that we shouldn't be there at all. I don't think that just because she used the words "freedom fighters" that she actually thinks these guys are noble. That's totally reading into what she's saying. If that's the case then half the media is to blame of the same thing because they use those words all the time including Fox. How in the world do you think we learned the pharase in the first place?
- jessssse, on 10/12/2007, -10/+13well, he did just interview him. if that was my only exposure to o'reilly, i'd say the same thing.
- swindmill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@ Frednofr
"But most Iraqis want the coalition to stay."
Polls do not support that statement - hobophobe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"No way a terrorist who blows up women and children gonna be called a freedom fighter on my program." -- Bill O'Reilly in the above-linked video. Man has no sense of his own irony at all.
- Personatech, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6"why is it weird or ironic to call them freedom fighters? our government may call them insurgents, but they think of themselves as freedom fighters. Look back a little over 200 years ago-what do you think the British though of our founding fathers? You think they didn't perceive tham as insurgents? I'm not saying that I support the insurgents/freedom fighters, but realistically, they really are just fighting for what they perceive is their freedom."
No they are not. The principal instigators of the violence, Sunnis and AlQaeda fighters, want to impose an Islamic theocracy on a largely sectarian population. If they win, the last thing they will provide their people is freedom. - jdkane, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I've never seen David Letterman act that way toward a guest immediately. Right off the bat David's arguing with the guy and railing against everything he says, as if they are old arch enemies.
Does anybody have an explanation for this situation?
(David says he does not watch the guy's show, so that's obviously not a point of contention.) Is it jealousy of some sort? That's my first assumption -- the show indicated they have kids the same age. Maybe one guy stole the other guy's girl in high school. - chriskzoo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+12@adriand
Sure, you hear about the ***** stuff, but you also dont see the good stuff that is going on there - schools being built, women being educated, etc. etc. You are basically taking the Letterman approach of thinking that whatever you read is the only story. - unluckier, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8O'Reilly really shows his ignorance when he calls the UK intelligence agency "M *one* Six"
- reevolutn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i dont understand how people think letterman is funny.
is it becasue he has been around so long that it means he dosent have to be funny anymore? i think that little skit on family guy sumed it up pretty well
and whats with the music dude?
or, maybe my poor little newzealand humour cant comprehend the funnynessness that is letterman - KingMoses, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Letterman is friends with Al Franken, Al convinced him that Bill is a bad guy and Dave never watched the show for himself before passing judgment.
- TubaTechno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"They both have logical arguments."
You mean the arguments of "60% of what you say is crap" and "i don't believe you" is logical?! - QuorumCall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4After this happened, Letterman had Al Franken on a later show, who saw his interview with BIll. He said Dave was being very modest when he said that %60 of what Bill says is crap, when in fact it's actually %100, lol.
Obviously, his verbal delivery pwns this typed one, I'm sure there's a clip somewhere. - aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"You do know the iraqi's overwhelmingly elected officials who are against the war?"
Actually, it's more complex than that. In fact, support for a coalition presence in Iraq has increased in recent months because they feel they need our troops in order to quell the outbreak of sectarian violence.
Not to say that means they actually like America--they deplore the state in which we left Iraq after the war, and as you say, goodwill towards America isn't exactly running high. But an immediate pullout as you suggest wouldn't stop the violence, it would be a catalyst for it. The violence is increasingly sectarian and less directed against the presence of coalition troops. An immediate pullout wouldn't stabilize the country at all; rather, it would plunge it into an even deeper civil war than the one we're seeing now. - 2oonhed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Blowhard - used to refer to a merchant that would practice the art of slyly blowing gold dust out of the scale pans, to be cleaned up later for extra profit. Some merchants blew harder than others.
Nowadays I see it used, in all kinds of media print & TV, to mean bombastic,pompous, big-talking*, *****, grandiose, highfalutin, inflated, loudmouth, magniloquent, ostentatious, overblown, ranting, rhapsodic, rhetorical, verbose, windbag, windy, or wordy. - edge001, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5they aren't iraqi's - they are terrorist from outside the country coming in...
i am a big fan of dave and i am a little disappointed with him in this clip. he wanted to attack o'rielly and ended up not being able to match wits all that well. - ninjatroll, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5You don't have to watch B.O. to know that he's full of it. You can read B.O. rants in his books, in the newspapers, and on the web.
TV viewing is not a requirement for informed criticism of B.O.
Is that hard to understand, or is it just that most Bill O'Reilly viewers don't want to read? - joelthoman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This is a very old clip, it happened several months ago.
- j.carcinogen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What country are you from?
I bet your country has been attacked and you personally did not fight back. - Rell812, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Haha, I like how the crowd claps after almost every point in their arguement, not mattering who makes it or how valid it is.
- nwshc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5There was no such pwnage. you fail
- rjpowell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Political views aside, Letterman made himself look like an idiot by not being able to refute anything O'Reilly said. A nice touch they added by having the "audience applause" sign come on after every one of Letterman's comments, even when they were stupid and meaningless.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4If you want to support our troops then get them out of a no-win mission in a crapass part of the world. If you can't do that then vote for people who want to bring them home, or at least let them pull back to bases they can defend without hanging it out on patrols through indian country.
If you're really convinced this war is wrong then you have exactly two courses of action: Vote for people who will bring our guys home and don't join the military until after the Bush Iraq Fiasco is history. You're not fighting for our freedom in Iraq, that's a Karl Rove ***** line. I'll believe we're fighting for freedom in Iraq the day I see Jenna Bush in a Humvee leading a patrol outside the Green Zone.
That's why I think war with another country should automatically trigger the draft with no deferments for anyone. Rich and poor, high and low, everybody military age is eligible. If it's worth fighting for, it's worth instigating the draft. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3That was really good
- fadedwranglers, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4From the Muslims point of view we, as non believers, are infidels and deserve death. They can by bringing about our death gain heaven and all it's riches (virgins,etc.). In the end we will have to face this fact or accept the potential consequences. We should have acted long ago to remove our major dependency from the oil that is mostly in their part of the world.
- rosenkranz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11I used to be a big Letterman fan (since his NBC days) and I'm not a big fan of O'reilly. But Dave came off as the more uninformed and ignorant of the two men.
It's sad that Dave likely doesn't even watch CNN... maybe he has assistants that read the news for him and then tell him what he needs to know? Oh, wait, that's George Bush. ;-) - triple1k, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Which ever side of this topic you come down on the bottom line is that no matter how much we "think" we know what is going on in Iraq, or our own governments for that matter, people on both sides are losing their lives. All of these wars that are going on now were not started by one action by a government entity or terrorist group. Years of politics, religion, and deals under the tables have contributed to all of these events. I think we (anyone of us) are foolish to think that we have the answer to all the problems no matter how much we think we do. We all have different belief systems and ideals. The fact that we are at war for things that we can't possibly understand is not as frustrating to me as knowing that these types of things will continue for the rest of human existence. We all like to be right, and do right on every issue, but are we and do we? No............Let’s not be quick to judge. Only when things are perfectly lit can you see the whole truth, and guess what folks it is still very dimly lit right now. Some of the things that I have regarded as absolute truths all of my life have been proven as lies over time. All of this debating and arguing about who is right or wrong is just wasted time.
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Yeah, I was stunned. Bill actually sounded much more moderate and reasonable than I expected him to. If he was always like that instead of his frequent act of ranting, pontificating, and flat-out making stuff up, he'd have a much better show.
- Insofar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Isn't it Mi6 not M one 6?
- Hoogie7Dowser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I can say something tastes like crap without ever having actually tasted crap before.
- whiskeymb, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5The problem with O'Reilly's statements are the same as most conservative's statements. He's trying to make people against the war look bad by saying "yeah, but you've got to support our troops!". There is a huge difference between supporting the troops and not agreeing with the war itself. I support every man and woman over there who is having to kill people so that they don't die themselves. It's a horrible position to be in, to have to kill to stay alive. But that NEVER assuage the lies that took us there. We went over there because of poor intelligence. It wasn't poor intelligence in hindsight, it was POOR INTELLIGENCE AT THE TIME and any commentary from intelligence personnel who pointed this out was ignored.
There are major questions about whether this administration disregarded intelligence that was contrary to the intelligence they wanted (that Iraq was a threat). There has been documented proof that this administration was making plans in invade iraq before any UN security council finished their searches of iraq. There is evidence that this administration WANTED to attack Iraq and used any intelligence, regardless of it's validity, to support that invasion while ignoring intelligence that said that they weren't a threat.
You can not use the "support the troops" argument to deflect this criticizm. It's wrong and it's the only argument the "right" have had for years. - wheremyarm, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Scared? I don't think you're accurately depicting all of the emotions someone might go through when a foreign force invades their home and kills their family members.
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