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- twertyto, on 10/11/2007, -1/+102Guiliani is looking more and more like a Bush clone but even less qualified.
- 1337jared, on 10/11/2007, -9/+87Ron Paul 08
- RanIntoTheDevil, on 10/11/2007, -1/+50Hey, don't forget Giuliani survived 9/11, I mean he was actually in the city when it happened!
/sarcasm
So were about 8 million other people Rudy, including myself. And its funny how even though I was there also, I don't find Ron Paul's Statements absurd in the least. - sonaro, on 10/11/2007, -3/+42Gouliani doesn't read Wikipedia either. But I guess that's because it must be a bastion for liberal propaganda.
"In 1996, bin Laden issued his first fatwa which called for "American soldiers to get out of Saudi Arabia".[47] A second fatwa, issued by bin Laden in 1998, "directed his followers to kill Americans anywhere".[48] In the fatwa, bin Laden outlined his objections to American foreign policy towards Israel, as well as the continued presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War.[49]"
"Motive
Statements by Al-Qaeda members
The fatwa lists three "crimes and sins" committed by the Americans:
-U.S. military occupation of the Arabian Peninsula.
-U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people.
-U.S. support of Israel.
The fatwa states that the United States:
-Plunders the resources of the Arabian Peninsula.
-Dictates policy to the rulers of those countries.
-Supports abusive regimes and monarchies in the Middle East, thereby oppressing their people.
-Has military bases and installations upon the Arabian Peninsula, which violates the Muslim holy land, in order to threaten neighboring Muslim countries.
-Intends thereby to create disunion between Muslim states, thus weakening them as a political force.
-Supports Israel, and wishes to divert international attention from (and tacitly maintain) the "occupation of Palestine"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks - RanIntoTheDevil, on 10/11/2007, -8/+46Although I disagree with many of Ron Paul's domestic policies (I am closer to a communist than a libertarian), I do agree with his foreign policy and I can also respect and admire him for having intelligent ideas that he sticks unlike most of our candidates. So...Ron Paul '08
I need a sign for my lawn that says that so I can battle the onslaught of Giuliani '08 signs. - macaddct1984, on 10/11/2007, -19/+57Truth does have a well-known liberal bias.
- psbpv3o, on 10/11/2007, -16/+51Ron Paul actually thinks.....he's never getting elected.
- dgh1973, on 10/11/2007, -4/+38"""
Ron Paul actually thinks.....he's never getting elected.
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It's a sad statement... but it's true. Even in more mundane aspects of life, take the entertainment industry for example. Most TV shows and movies that are intelligent do quite poorly. It's all about targeting the "unwashed masses" these days to get the biggest bang for the buck.
If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd even take it a step farther and say that the US government is intentionally skimping on education and increasing the rift between the rich and well educated vs. the poor and uneducated specifically for this purpose - they want us to be sheep. - modelcadet, on 10/11/2007, -14/+47David Cross 08
- cobrabyte, on 10/11/2007, -2/+31It's the media's fault that he won't be elected.
They make him look like a friggin' idiot for looking to the Constitution for answers.
Personally, I wanted to walk up to Giuliani and slap him after this exchange with Ron Paul. He can't really be that ***** stupid, can he? - cr4ft, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29David Cross: ""I don't think Osama Bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom, I think he did it because our support for Israel and our ties with the Saudi family and all our Military bases.
You know why I think that? Because that's what he ***** said! ""
LMFAO - WalkerBurgin, on 10/11/2007, -2/+29I finally find a politician that I agree with and even respect (Ron Paul), and the sad thing is you're right: he won't get elected. It's a shame....
I think it's funny that the candidate who actually bases his policies and decisions on the CONSTITUTION has little chance of being elected. - moxley, on 10/11/2007, -2/+22Giuliani is a fascist piece of *****.
He makes Bush look like humanitarian of the year, and is associated witht he same cabal of neofascist globalists.
Most people who remember him from NYC are horrified at the thought of a Giuliani presidency; judging by his tenure in NYC - the things he did, and the things he tried to do (such as attempting to force all people who were in drug treatment in NYC for heroin addiction in NYC off of their medication, stating that addiction is a moral issue and that he had a duty to force people (who definitely needed to be medicated) into religious/moral/non-medication based rehab - which was not appropriate for these people and showed how ignorant and arrogant this ***** is. Luckily he didn't succeed as there was an outcry from physicians, researchers, hospitals, medical experts, etc - but he still tried.
He was HATED, and he was also involved in scandals, because after all of his ***** 'holier than thou,' edicts, moralizing, and attempting to inflict his radical neofascist values on others, as well as his 'i am a moral guy wkith family values in a world of filth; attitude in interviews it was found out that he had a mistress who was staying at the mayor's mansion or something. He's also got mob ties and many other questionable business and corporate ties, interests. - and I haven't even gotten to 9/11, how he positioned hiumself pon that day and how much has has benefitted from exploiting what happened; yet he shuns, condescends, and is outright abusive to those who lost family that day if they ask him anything that isn't a softball photo op question.
When we see that he had a credentialed journalist wrongly arrested a couple of weeks ago for asking questions, we can see his true colors. - oddmanout, on 10/11/2007, -1/+17"smart" seems to be relative... but it does seem like 50 years ago, there was more of a drive to be educated.. now its "cool" to be ignorant. this is just personal opinon. I feel this way because if you look at the top billboard charts, most of those songs have no substance, and don't even use proper english... or contain a complete thought. (check out cutewithchris). Also, girls today have heroes like Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears, morons. Even politics... what ever happened to "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?" Now we have leaders telling us we should be afraid and telling us we need to give up freedoms to be safe.
conclusion: its more acceptable, if not "cooler" to be dumb. - mighty_mouth, on 10/11/2007, -3/+19Has there *ever* been a point in history where the majority of people were smart?
I don't know. I'm just wondering. - mattmoto, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16""Truth does have a well-known liberal bias.""
How does the truth, in this case or any, have a bias towards liberals? This may shock your feeble partisan mind, but LIBERALS HAVE HAD THEIR ROLE IN THE UNITED STATES MIDDLE-EASTERN FOREIGN POLICY TOO.
It's idiotic sentiments like yours that perpetuate America's two-party system. I am ashamed Digg has mindlessly dugg your comment so far up, so much for independent thinking... - MBX1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10***** Rudy. Wanna see him in all his glory? VoilĂ : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL_76KEp2Gk
- Radionesiac, on 10/11/2007, -4/+13sorry, *Giuliani
not that i should be validating him - imLissy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Ron Paul won't get elected because, well, for one, probably 3/4 of the country has no idea who he is or thinks he's insane. And two, he wants to change stuff and people don't like change, even if it's for the better.
- Radionesiac, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9/rolls eyes
shut the ***** up. - oddmanout, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8if you listen to david cross's standup cd, he was also in new york at the time. I assume this makes David Cross just as much an expert on 9-11 as Rudy, right? Apparently, thats the only qualification, right rudy?
- oddmanout, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5the people in power don't want change, and unfortunately since they're the ones in power, they can actually influence everyone else.
- Magillicutti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I said something kind of to the same affect under ImLissy and oddmanout's posts, but I think it's a shame that we're still so far from the primaries and even further from the '08 election and people can say that he doesn't stand a chance and that he believes so himself. Reagan didn't seem to stand a chance at first, and Dr. Paul has explained this in relation to his candidacy.
If he's "the candidate who actually bases his policies and decisions on the CONSTITUTION" then why shouldn't he stand a chance? After all, Article 2, Section 8, of said Constitution states the "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Sounds fit for the job to me. He's been doing this for years now. Right? Another thing, I highly doubt our current President is doing this to the best of his ability. Of course, the same Article of the Constitution reads "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." I guess 'conviction' is the key word there though. But anyway..
So if you believe, and I clearly do as well, that you've finally found a politician that you agree with and even respect, then don't wave his white flag yet. If he doesn't win, I'm going to lay the blame on myself as much as everyone else who is a supporter of his and just as much as the main stream media. As far as I'm concerned, why wouldn't it be equally my fault if by 2008, "3/4 of the country has no idea who he is or thinks he's insane" or people don't realize that "the stuff he wants to change" in this country is for the greater good. All the mainstream media consists of are people, and with or without the outlets they have, we should be able to influence people just as much as they can. They have a certain agenda that revolves around money and power. Our agenda revolves more around what kind of world our children and grandchildren may not even get a chance to see. It seems like a much more important cause to fight for to me. - blackturtleus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4It would be great if the USA could once again become the "Land of the Free." Instead, at this time, we're the land of the duped. Ron Paul wants to get us back to our Constitutional roots, but that's the last the thing the powers that be desire!
- thepompano, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Comment abuse, but I wanted to point out that the David Cross bit was written and performed years before the 2007 GOP primaries and it doesn't have anything specifically to do with Ron Paul Or Guiliani.
- Radionesiac, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5i'm not sure that journalist turned out to be credentialed, but bravo to this post nonetheless.
- virtualfred, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@ mattmoto
Ever heard of the Colbert Report and the whole deal about thrutiness...???
Don't you realise one out of two comments on digg is just a quotation from some older stories... - Radionesiac, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2i'm wrong then. i thought he kept stalling when they asked for his ID.
- oddmanout, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2he showed credentials there, and they arrested him anyway... Even if they were fake, I saw the video and the guys who arrested him didn't even care.
- IamColin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Two conspiracy posts in a row... waterdragon, you're ***** ridiculous
- BESTenemy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3 Good question. Throughout history the majority has remained ill informed and illiterate. Education was for the priviledged. They ruled the masses by selectively distributing information and tailoring it to achieve their goals.
So, if anything, then what did change?
In small communities the goals of the leader aren't too far off from the goals of the citizen. The leader wants his state to be the most popular, the most prosperous, to attract skilled workers, resources, finances etc. However in the current state of development, the leaders already have gained high positions. They fear people of their own land, coveting their "gold" more than they fear intruders from less developed places of the world.
The structure is the same. Politically and economicaly illiterate masses dominate. Leader educates the easily swaded with his interpretation of the "common interest", but unlike in a small community, he is now motivated by fear of his own people, rather than of competition from a rival village, city or country.
People still respond as they always did. If the leader says: "All is well", the crowd sighs. If the leader points the finger to the sky screaming: "A new threat is upon us", the group panicks, but manages to get throught the initial shock, facing the leader again with: "What is required of us?"
In a small community the leader treats the goals of the community as his own, cause they're not too distant. In a global village, leader has to balance between fighting external threats, while sustaining stability at home. It's fully up to morality of individual who chooses to lead, whether he is going to rule through positive or negative inscentive. It's always been up to the leader to tell the most of us what he things is right. We've been at "his" mercy.
We've been given a democratic chose, but still constrained by the limited number of options given to us. Most people are not leaders, they're followers. You tell them: "You're free to do whatever you want." and they'll come right back with: "What are the options?" People think that everything has to be given to them, presented and explained. Very few know what they want and they're the ones that become leaders. It's all about popularity, presentation. It's not about actual talents advertize. Like male birds during a mating season. The one with brightest feathers wins the mate, regardless of whether those colors have anything to do with reproductive, hunting, or nest-building skills.
Only we're more obscure. Best comparison by far is the sheep. We are the sheep. - Syric, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Giuliani's got the intelligence of a Dorito.
- pgoetz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5@cobrabyte
That's a tough question. Given the Bush administration's disdain for the conservative Christians whose causes they allegedly champion (see "Tempting Faith" by David Kuo for details), and given that Giuliani is a New Yorker after all, my guess he's just playing to the crowds -- and they're obviously loving it. The real question is why are mainstream, middle class Republicans so ***** stupid by consistently voting against their own best interests? - shampoovta, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1 I think the dominoes are all lining up.
You have a High Priest or two who are out of touch with reality or just trying to make up there own.
You have a voice crying out in the wilderness in opposition to the High Priests authority.
Now I see people are coming down to the river to this voice to be baptized in truth.
Guess what comes next,....
One man can change the world.
(Change is coming, it is in the wind)
- Magillicutti, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It seems as though they've influenced everybody else to have a negative attitude. What happened to the people influencing the people? I, for one, think they still can.. I wish I saw more people on here that thought the same.
- Abaddon1125, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1While I am pleased to see there are at least a few people on digg that know what a scientific theory is, I think the "theory" used in Conspiracy Theory is the common usage version. Think of it more as "Conspiracy Educated Guess."
- christianw, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ronnie Dobbs 08
- WaterDragon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2He's a Constitutionalist.
A long time ago, the Republican party followed those ideals....but that was long ago, before they took the bribes, and sold out to the Corporatocracy! The democrats sold out to....all coming under the control of the Federal reserve, and their handlers in the Bilderberg group and the Council on Foreign Relations. Those are the real blood-thirsty dictators, who create the wars and pick the presidents, and buy off nearly all the politicians.
Now go and watch this video!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7065177340464808778 - polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You know what I love about the term 'Conspiracy Theorist', besides it's broad generalized meaning, it is better than being a 'Conspiracy Hypothesizer'. The term suggests that:
a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory" --wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn - Radionesiac, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2...what??
- ATHEISTinHELL, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I know my local fox affilate did a poll after the NH debate and they listed Guillain, Mitt, McCain and Fred Thompson with 7% he wasn't even ***** there or isn't even officially running. Ron Paul was but no mention of him. The only reason he isn't a contender is he doesn't use a politicians best tool, fear.
- jmpeagle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2@radio
it's a quote from arrested development, which david cross was a character on and this was one of his lines - jesuschrysler, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@thepompano (#7232759)
Thanks for that, you are very observant. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Ron Paul should get elected even if it means him taking a chubby, he will suck it up.
- newyawker, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3I disagree with Giuliani, but I think Ron Paul is only partly right. It is true that they don't like our foreign policy, but the way that they respond is by killing thousands of innocent civilians? The reason why the terrorists hate is because we are currently in a war of ideology. On one side is liberal democracy, on the other side is religious extremism/theocracy. We are spreading our ideology of liberal democracy across the world through television, the internet, and through various other methods of soft power. This idea of liberal democracy demands separation of church and state, which to extremists is completely blasphemey and the worst possible crime. This crime is akin to "killing god", because god is removed from public life.
I can guarantee if the United States completely removed all hard influence from the middle east, terrorists will continue to want to attack America, because the idea of liberal democracy is the same as "killing god."
To defeat the terrorists, we shouldn't invade random countries (Iraq war is probably the worst foreign policy decision in American history), but to use our soft power to cause ordinary people in the Arab world to accept liberal democracy, and not theocracy. - Magillicutti, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Oh, I know it doesn't, and I know it's not funny. He posts it about every chance he gets though.
- strafefire, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4The SECOND Ron Paul wins any primary, I GUARANTEE that he will be assassinated. Uphold the constitution. Remove the IRS. Lower Government spending. Stop the War in Iraq...
He will be killed because he makes TOO much sense. And if the President can make smart, intelligent decisions, then congress must also...and that probably scares the bejesus of of them -- DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN!
Taps, Taps, lights out... - DesignerScott, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Does anyone actually think Ron Paul is republican?
Maybe the reason he doesn't think he'll get elected is because he's running for the wrong party! - Radionesiac, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3And before everyone else gets on here, "no it doesn't"
- UmmoSirius, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Dang--I was hoping for something new from David Cross (I already have that album).
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