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- euro22, on 12/17/2008, -184/+792This reminds me of the time I had an argument with my friend about which fictional character is better: Batman or Superman??
- dunderballer, on 11/14/2007, -88/+573The big guy didn't really show a superior understanding of the bible; he just dominated the conversation and made pejorative comments every time the missionaries attempted to discuss their opinions. The big guy was clearly out to make a fool out of these two rather than to have a meaningful discussion about their different beliefs. Who extended their hand afterward? Who rejected?
- NDfan0788, on 11/14/2007, -37/+278Why was this all videotaped? Smells like a setup.
- GhostWithToast, on 11/14/2007, -102/+339the winner of this proves they were more successfully brainwashed.
- WraTH017, on 11/14/2007, -19/+227You never expected to be attacked on Digg for your beliefs? You must be new.
- 0zzy, on 11/14/2007, -26/+227The guy was a dick and a total contradiction to himself. First he says "can you not talk diplomatically about Christ?" then says "Nope! Don't want to hear it! I'm done! you're wrong, you're supporting some dude, I'm the true Christ believer!"
- sparf, on 11/14/2007, -105/+296This cat was on Fire! Wish I could see him up against some Mormon elders instead of a couple of kids...
- zachshmack, on 11/14/2007, -11/+190"We havin a discussion. I don't need to stop and listen to you." Yes, because that's how discussions work.
- inactive, on 11/13/2007, -27/+202Glad someone else saw this. The black guy was being totally offensive, interrupting, getting up in their faces with his hands, rejecting their handshake, attempting to goad them... ridiculous.
- Chainheart, on 11/14/2007, -68/+222Even as an atheist, knowing the Bible is important for defending yourself if you plan to debate seriously or defend yourself against kids like these Mormons. If you really want to read it and you don't have a Bible at hand, check out http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ and learn.
- Ryancwa, on 11/14/2007, -44/+184Not totally sure what everyone's problem is. Most mormons have been pretty nice to me. Sure, there's the occasional jerk... but that's just how people are. Quit the hatin', yo.
- floridiot2, on 11/14/2007, -9/+144What Would Jesus Digg?
- Sploxy, on 11/14/2007, -7/+142Actually, those WERE elders
- sgtbutterscotch, on 11/13/2007, -3/+133Did I hear him say "We are having a discussion. I don't need to stop and listen to you?"
- cromulent742, on 11/14/2007, -9/+136I was raised Mormon and I was a missionary for 2 years. I am 99.9% sure that these missionaries are for real. They speak exactly how you're trained to. They respond to criticisms exactly how you're trained to respond. For example, at the end when the missionary launches into his "I know" speech, that's exactly what you're taught to do. This stuff happens to missionaries all the time.
- howdareyou, on 11/14/2007, -8/+122What? Those kids were at least 19 and their name tags even say Elder right on them.
- thaeastsida, on 11/14/2007, -8/+117yes, its against the digg constitution. you must believe in:
- ron paul
- the iphone
- legalizing marijuana
- laughing at rudy giuliani
- stephen colbert
- ubuntu - cromulent742, on 11/12/2007, -4/+111These kids were elders. All mormon missionaries are.
- bdogm, on 11/14/2007, -16/+120Owns =/= talks really fast and interrupts like a little kiddie argument at the sandbox.
- howdareyou, on 11/14/2007, -105/+2093 people arguing about imaginary friends. That's logical.
- tunapez, on 11/14/2007, -13/+116To each their own, but I don't want to hear it.
Although, one Saturday a month in college the Jehovah's would knock on my door at about 8am. That was my cue to get up, brush my teeth, make some coffee and mosey to my neighbor's apartment. By that time he had the interlopers on his couch w/ his bible in hand. He was a cool christian, didn't preach, didn't try to save everyone who didn't want to be saved, but when someone came to tell him his God business, he invited them in and the fun began. The best was when he'd light up a splif and ask them if they wanted a hit, lol. - gachamp2, on 11/14/2007, -10/+106That was rude that he wouldn't even shake the guy's hand, not very "Christian" are we, but who am I to judge?
- dwninjungleland, on 11/13/2007, -2/+92If you read the comments, I think you'll find that most people are defending the two Mormon kids. That, or in true digg fashion, they are attacking the idea of religion in general.
- prisoner24601, on 11/14/2007, -24/+109I'd love to see *any* Mormon really engage on the issues of Joseph Smith’s supposed translation of the Kirtland Papers. If you do 15 minutes of research on the Book of Abraham, you cannot escape the fact that the document Joseph Smith bought (from a traveling mummy show no less!) was a common Egyptian funerary scroll and the story that he told from it is completely fabricated. Mormons are not aware of this because the church actively trains them to NOT become deeply familiar with origins of The Pearl of Great Price.
I know there will be immediate snide comments from atheists that "well ALL religious scriptures are fabrications" but that's a complete non-response to the issue. It's one thing for you to *think* the Bible was dreamed up by men, it's completely another that I can *demonstrate* that Joseph Smith's Book of Abraham IS nothing more than and Egyptian funerary scroll. - spritom, on 11/13/2007, -40/+118On fire? Looked more like the guy on the right side of the screen made a series of logical fallacies, unsubstantiated claims on what those kids thought, followed by a few occasions where he's projecting, and ends it with rudeness.
Buried for non-ownage. - LocalMotion125, on 11/14/2007, -12/+88"But you's the one's teachin!" ...O Come Ye Holy Burger King
- atonement, on 11/13/2007, -2/+77I would've dugg it but he didn't shake the guy's hand afterwards which was completely hypocritical of what he was "preaching"
- TehClaw, on 11/13/2007, -13/+83I actually have to agree with you. While I thought it was funny to see him take control over the conversation, he was not a graceful winner.
- KibibyteBrain, on 11/13/2007, -20/+90I don't know: it depends on your goals. Knowing the Bible is only useful for attacking it. Otherwise, it would be like saying knowing about Lord of the Rings is important to Geologists so that they know about how the world isn't structured.
- TheCollective, on 11/14/2007, -18/+88Not very Christ-like. This guy makes the teachings of Jesus sound like bullying. If that's the way our God really operates, count me out.
- snowpunter, on 11/14/2007, -20/+87Having been a Mormon missionary myself, what we have here is a classic example of two n00b missionaries going up against a brother who memorized a couple catchy scriptures and talked faster than they could think. Give them another six-nine months and you'd have REAL a fun debate or they'd take off a lot earlier like most seasoned guys who don't even bother debating when people start getting in your face.
- Wiini, on 11/14/2007, -11/+73So those two Mormons have given up two years of their life to Serve their church. No work, no school, just Church. Dedication to their faith.
Now check out the Preachers Wheels. Yeah. I said it. - KDAY12, on 11/13/2007, -13/+74Or, if you prefer to think for yourself, read the Bible that isn't annotated by skeptics who tell you what you should think. How does reading the version you suggest promote a more objective understanding of the subject?
I get the feeling that many athiests aren't the deep and logical intellectuals they purport to be - rather they are just good at spewing forth someone else objections to strengthen their own pride. - dwninjungleland, on 11/13/2007, -8/+67I don't understand people like that. I knew a kid who covered his ears and sang to himself (in college, mind you), every time we explained to him that mormons were as legitimate a religion as his dear catholicism. Very mature.
- Xinareiaz, on 11/13/2007, -20/+76lol, maybe you should actually read some things so you know what you are talking about, Mormons don't worship Joseph Smith.
- cricketsymphony, on 11/13/2007, -1/+56yeah, you're right.
the white high schoolers and 30 year old black trio are probably best buds in real life. - twisterrust, on 11/12/2007, -4/+53Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum!!!
- PotatoSalad, on 11/13/2007, -4/+53I agree, his comments were tedious and beside the main points they were trying to convey. Being open minded is a virtue supposedly held in high regard in our society, but videos like this paint a fairly hypocritical society.
- Getintothegame, on 11/14/2007, -15/+62Ugh. Bury this crap. I'm not Mormon, but this is ridiculous.
- genezorz, on 11/13/2007, -17/+63calling him BLACK?! You're racist filth disgusts me.
- jibbybonk, on 11/13/2007, -1/+46That guy kept putting words into the mouths of those poor mormon guys. They would say one thing he would twist it a little and turn it back on them.
And i really like the "your adversaries wont be able to gainsay anything you say" and then he talks over them when they try to respond. the best is when they try to respond and the guy jumps on them saying "talkin over me is not gonna get you anything" well of course they cant gainsay him, he wont shut the ***** up. I dont know if he made one good argument that whole video. - thailand1972, on 11/13/2007, -2/+46The black guy was rude and went over the top at the end talking to the camera and saying how his "crew are the best" or whatever he said. Basically he was showing off in front of the camera. He had the "gift of the gab" (as they say in the UK) and the other kids on the bikes were just not allowed to talk over him (as he was saying "don't be angry" when they tried to get a word in edgeways).
Just because you can quote the bible doesn't mean you "win" the argument. I think the whole concept of "winning the argument" is kind of counter-productive. I don't think the kids were convinced - just embarrassed and probably actually pissed off. - ncairns, on 11/11/2007, -31/+75Hey come on now, we're not mean. We just believe that *all* of your gods are *equally* imaginary.
- TheCaterpillar, on 11/11/2007, -13/+56While it might not feel great to have your faith "ripped apart" that is hardly a reason to hold on to it, and it is definitely not a reason to allow the propagation of such fallacious and (in some ways) very harmful information.
- opiniastrous, on 11/12/2007, -2/+44The fact that those two elders were willing to approach those black guys and have a discussion with them, without any sign of racist sentiment, would indicate to me that they have not been taught to be racist. Hence, I would argue that the above quotes, if correct, are really more a result of the times (1844-1877 as you say) than the religion.
- roflsd, on 11/12/2007, -9/+48Agreed, anyone can win an argument by talking over the other person constantly. I especially like how he would not let them reply to any of his points. If you want to actually have a conversation/debate/argument, you have to actually allow the other person to respond, and you have to respond in turn to their points.
- prisoner24601, on 11/12/2007, -7/+44Well I'll try to clarify this a little bit. Believe it or not, It's not all that hard for me to put on an "atheist cap" and spend a few minutes looking at the world from their point of view. With that hat firmly on my head for the moment, I see the following challenge:
If I wanted to attack the Koran, I am limited to attacks on it's *content* by am denied most ways of attacking it's *origin* because of its source. Source: "divine revelation" given directly to Mohammed. How can I prove that's not true? How can I prove what Mohammed did or didn't hear? I can't. If I wanted to attack the Book of Mormon I have a similar problem. Joseph Smith said "the golden plates were taken away by an angel." How can I prove what plates he did or didn't see? I can't. The skeptic has a basic problem in trying to disprove "divine origin" of any religion's scripture as you see. *UNLESS* (and this is a HUGE "unless" here...) the person writing it actually left *evidence* contrary to their testimony. Joseph Smith was smart enough to cover his tracks with the Book of Mormon (early in his career as a scam artist, many skeptics around him in New York who would challenge what he said, etc.) so he covered his tracks. "The plates were taken to heaven guys. Sorry you can't verify anything here...." But later in his career, AFTER he was surrounded by followers and in a solid community of people who were going to accept anything he said, he got SLOPPY and CARELESS. "hey guys, I just found a document that is a missing book of the Bible. You can't read it, but I can, so I'll translate it." At the time no one could verify anything he was saying. But today scholarship proves that the document he was using was an Egyptian Funerary scroll. The point is, I understand atheists find ALL scriptures to be nothing more that fantasy, but you truly have an intellectually *duty* to differentiate between things in the "neither provable nor disprovable, but I consider improbable" category and "flatly PROVABLE to be false" category. When atheists make the obvious error in logic of being unable to distinguish between the two, you actually loose credibility and simply laughing it off by saying "silly theist" won't get you anywhere. - Stringstroker, on 11/14/2007, -79/+116What is with all of the Mormon hatred around here? I am a Mormon and I never expected being attacked at a place like Digg. Is there something wrong in believing in something that you don't believe in? This kind of discrimination against any kind of belief sickens me.
- MindTrigger, on 11/13/2007, -15/+49Actually, once they could not respond to his questions, they started acting like a couple douche bags. They clearly became frustrated and upset that they could not respond to what they were being told. They need to go back to the local temple for more schoolin'. I'm not affiliated with western organized religion, but I do find ALL philosophy interesting. This was pretty cool to watch.
- primordialmeme, on 11/14/2007, -83/+117That black guy was more of an annoying as$hole than the bike retards. Religion LOL
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