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- inactive, on 06/23/2009, -412/+825***** the Bible! It's a bunch of Fiction anyways.
- ensada, on 06/23/2009, -181/+591It's important to note that most of the quoted statements are part of old Jewish law, and none chronologically follow the doing-away-with of the law. The law existed to help us see our sinfulness, and was done away with when Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. (See Rom 3:20 and 3:23, Galatians 2:16, many many others).
People generally like to throw around what the Bible says as 'restrictions' that Christians are placing on their own lives, and the lives of others. This couldn't be farther from the truth. You'll never hear me, or my Christian friends and family, say that you (the unsaved) shouldn't be doing something (drinking, doing drugs, fighting, cursing, partying, etc). We want you to believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins, repent of those sins and accept him as your Lord and Savior. Once you do that, you'll be convicted in your own life to make choices about how you live. You don't have to give up anything to become a Christian..whether you do or not is up to you, and it comes after salvation. When Paul and Silas were asked what one had to do to be saved, they weren't told to follow a bunch of laws...just to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31).
The important thing is your belief. Jesus Christ wasn't sent to die on the cross for your sins because you were expected to live perfectly. None of us can live perfectly, that's the point, only Christ lived perfectly by being the only person to completely obey the Law. After you're saved, as you work on your knowledge and faith, you begin to feel an honest need to change. Whether you reach that point of changing your physical life or not: salvation is once, forever, and no other change is required to receive the gift of eternal life.
Feel free to email if you have questions. Email information available at www.gracebaptistmilford.org, to the Webmaster.
God Bless! - yocouchdigga, on 06/23/2009, -204/+549fairy tales can be so silly...
- noirbass, on 06/23/2009, -51/+314Why is this guy being dugg down? Even if you disagree with his point of view, he's being perfectly polite about it. I'm dissapointed at you, digg.
- GovernmentsGun, on 06/23/2009, -24/+243If the OT doesn't count, then I also don't have to worry about the 10 Commandments. Thanks.
- ripple123, on 06/23/2009, -78/+288unlike reality, if you ignore the bible, it goes away.
- soccerman90, on 06/23/2009, -4/+214Last I checked, the books of Mark and Timothy were a part of the new testament
- Puppetfunk, on 06/23/2009, -9/+175If it doesn't count for anything, why put the Old Testament in the Bible?
- wtrwlkr, on 06/23/2009, -9/+173Interesting that the author pointed that out at the end of the article, and he's 100% correct. Any christian who dismisses insane prohibitions because they're in the Old Testament and then turns around and quotes Leviticus to justify their bigotry towards homosexuality is a ***** hyprocrite.
- MoDinero, on 06/23/2009, -33/+194Thank God I'm an Athiest!
- inactive, on 06/23/2009, -20/+167matthew 5:17 and 5:18 -jesus says that he did not come to change the old laws, and that not a letter of those laws will change until the end of the world. The OT is an albatross around your neck, christian hypocrite.
- Velnich, on 06/23/2009, -30/+159"None of this makes sense and should be ignored in this day and age. Now back to hating homosexuals."
- inactive, on 06/23/2009, -19/+139The bible goes away faster if you throw it in the garbage.
- nyxerebos, on 06/23/2009, -8/+118Bible, and I'm an atheist. It's the Magnum Opus of a bronze age culture and a fascinating look into the ideas which greatly shaped Western culture and its predecessors. The fact that the English language is younger than the religion in the UK leads to all kinds of interesting color in the language that many are unaware of.
- undervalued, on 06/23/2009, -37/+143Have you even read this thing? Technically we're not even allowed to go to the bathroom.
- enantiodromia, on 06/23/2009, -5/+108much like the bible, stompk291 didn't read the article either
- Threlly1, on 06/23/2009, -31/+132Are you trying to say that all Christians are generally hypocritical ?
Are they choosing to conform only to the parts they like ?
Are other religions like this ?
What next, brimstone & fire, cats & dogs living together.... - pmwhitlock, on 06/23/2009, -14/+112"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17)
- KingBroseph, on 06/23/2009, -6/+103"You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."
I love the "I am the Lord" at the end of that. Just reminding us. - inactive, on 06/23/2009, -2/+91Better mirror (doesn't have search words highlighted).
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:i9fhYN21miwJ:w ... - MangalaIII, on 06/23/2009, -57/+145It's all interpretation. Just don't ***** govern a country with it. (see: Iran)
- Deomonte21, on 06/23/2009, -30/+115Just wanted to thank you for posting. It takes courage to stand by your conviction in the face of adversity. I am a Christian as well.
- cly8419, on 06/23/2009, -14/+98Yeah, no reason to stick to the old testament. It was written in a different time in a dead language meant for societies which no longer exist. The new testament has none of these fatal flaws.
- undervalued, on 06/23/2009, -18/+100If you had been told any fantasy book you read growing up was true you'd believe that too, its all about cultural influence. I personally will be worshiping the works of HG Wells and the later prophet Isaac Asimov. Both of these provided prophetic looks into the future and rules to live by.
- GovernmentsGun, on 06/23/2009, -1/+82Yeah, we'll show those godless communists by adding this to our currency in the 1950's! Then, everyone will know we were ruled by religion all the way back to the 1790!
- 4DFX, on 06/23/2009, -7/+78Urrelles:
YOU deem it "silly *****", but how do you know it's not what god meant? You don't. You just don't like it and thats why you invent complex excuses like this. "It's a patch"... give me a break. Admit it, you only follow the parts YOU like.
Also, why did GOD need to make a patch in the first place? Is he such a ***** programmer?
Praise the FSM. - inactive, on 06/23/2009, -17/+86
Actually, one of the main reasons I denounced my Christian faith is because I can't find one single shred of evidence for the Jesus of the Bible. Not one artifact or eyewitness account. Not even in the Bible.
Amazingly, we have not one Jewish, Greek, or Roman writer, even those who lived in the Middle East, much less anywhere else on the earth, who ever mentions him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary, and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarrassing fact.
After confronting a few Church members with this new knowledge for lack of evidence, it became painfully obvious that these people seem to have NO interest whatsoever in scientific debate. It seems all they care about is re-affirming their superstitious beliefs of disturbing stories of hell and damnation and devils and eternal suffering and ramming them down the throats of unsuspecting children.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong about this. But so far I haven't been.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm - Velvolver, on 06/23/2009, -23/+90Please read if you believe this article, don't be a dick and auto bury:
Like modern day laws, you have to go by the spirit of the laws not just the letter. Note that I mean that the words shouldn't be disregarded completely with your own translation to fit your lifestyle (what a lot of people do) but to understand why they were written.
1) Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."
Person quoting this left out the part where this is done to keep the Israelites from assimilating into "Heathen" culture. The Israelites were constantly being tempted by other cultures and it was important to not allow any form of assimilation. Since we're not Israelites in the desert where our lifestyle dangles on a string I'm sure this is safe.
2) Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you."
Pigs are unclean! Imagine the problems with sanitization back then with a bunch of pigs running around! The nature of the law was to protect the Israelites from disease, now it is not so much a problem. The matter of it being unclean is usually looked over because in the NT when Paul was starving God fed him saying it's clean because it was brought by Him.
3) Leviticus 20:6: "As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people."
Seeking out fortures and such does set your mind against God. And opening a "Fortune cookie" isn't bad. Ever opened one? It mainly contains advice, so don't flip out, and still if it held your forture it wasn't sought out, it wasn't you actively turning your heart away from God to seek it. And it's said time and time again if you turn back towards God, He'll turn back to you. It's not a lifetime of damnation.
4) Genesis 38:9-10: "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also."
It was law that if your brother dies without bearing any male children, you were to get his wife pregnant so that he may have someone to carry his household. Onan withdrew directly disobeying the law and was struck down for it. This isn't every coitus-interruptus situation like the writer suggests.
5) Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."
The cuts on the dead and shaving of heads is within this verse I believe. All of this is said to keep the Israelites from engaging in pagan traditions, as it would be harmful to the budding Israelite culture. Tattoo's are still a tricky area, but better avoided because they can be a form of idolatry in symbols.
6) Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."
A lot of Levitical laws involved symbolism, actions and lifestyles were to completely remind Israelites of their life with God, this meant no perversion of one thing with another. This did apply to the Israelites because of their lifestyles but as people of today it doesn't seem to fit as much since Judiasm/Christianity isn't dangling on a thread.
7) Mark 10:8, you "are no longer two, but one flesh." And, Mark 10:9 reads, "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." Mark gets even more hardcore about it a few verses later, in Mark 10:11-12, "And He said to them, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'"
This is absolutely right. That's why marriage isn't a light and easy thing that should be done over the weekend. It's a big ***** deal. Don't get married unless you mean it. Am I wrong? If you think I am, you'll soon be parting with half your stuff.
8) Deuteronomy 23:1 reads (this is the God's Word translation, which spells it out better), "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord."
A lot of the Torah laws dealt with exact values, and being whole. Such as the no mixed cloth parts above, this was to maintain absolute order and purity, the Levitical priests were under incredibly strict rules, moreso than ordinary Israelites. But being that this was the Levitical priests who were in the presence of God and not Joe-sixpack going down to the church house, today it doesn't really apply.
9) 1 Timothy 2:9 doesn't like your gold necklace at all. Or your pearl necklace. Or any clothes you're wearing that you didn't get from Forever 21, Old Navy or H&M. "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."
This passage is about representing Christ. It asks for a woman to be an adult and dress like one. Very simple.
10) Leviticus 11:10 reads, "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you." And shellfish is right in that wheelhouse.
Fits right along the pig thing. These things aren't unclean by todays standards, but back then they must have posed a serious health hazard. These laws were made to be symbolic towards the Lord, and to protect the Israelites. Their application today isn't adamant.
11) Grabbin the nuts
All an Israelite had was his house. If a woman threatens a mans house (by keeping him from having children by crushing his nuts) then she was severely punished. That's how it was back then. I can't say this applies now, due to the fact that ball crushing is less likely to keep someone from having kids, and the fact that if you or I weren't to have kids the culture wouldn't die out.
Numbers and population was very important back then, this was done to protect that future, this isn't nearly as important now.
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In summation, there are a lot of things Christians pick and choose about, but most of these don't really apply. They were meant for a people in a different time, in a different place and have less importance today. Obeying the letter of a law and not the spirit of a law is a problem people still face today, whoever wrote this article is making the same mistake.
Thanks for reading. - ensada, on 06/23/2009, -10/+74Hi, I'll try to answer your questions.
Buddha: I believe that the reason studying Christians feel secure in their worship of Christ is because the actual authoring of the Old Testament occurred many years before the birth of Christ, and contained numerous prophecy that he met. Again, I would suggest googling Messianic Prophecy for more information on these. I may be wrong here, but I don't believe Buddhists hold Buddha as a god-figure, but instead as an enlightened teacher. Again, I may be incorrect.
2. That's a really interesting question. I believe what your question points to is Universalism, the idea that everyone will eventually be saved because Jesus died for everyone. My opinion is that God has always required an answer for the Adamic nature (our sin nature, the result of the first sin in the Garden). God requires belief, above all else. For a long time, there were many layers between eternal life and us (law), but God sent Christ to answer all the layers and simplify things. That simplification is the simple requirement for belief in Christ's sacrifice.
I think that another way to look at it is as a response to your phrasing. Jesus didn't die to forgive us, Jesus died to give us the choice to be forgiven. God doesn't force anyone to believe, and he doesn't force anyone to live eternally in heaven. God didn't make us puppets, basically, but he did give us the opportunity to hear the word of Christ and make the choice. We're given that choice, and Jesus said the way is through him, but that we must believe.
That's a really difficult question, and one that would require a more philosophical, and learned, Christian to answer. Another interesting question is "What about the people who never heard about Christ. Aren't they sent to Hell without the opportunity to be saved?" That one always gets me. Look into 'Molinism' for one possible answer.
3. It's not that I have zero opinion. I have PLENTY of opinion. For the record, I believe many of the hot topics you'd quote, I would believe are sinful. What I won't do is go out and judge people based on them. Christ didn't! The Word says 'Whosoever Will' (I can provide references if you need them), meaning that whosoever will believe will be saved. Jesus also repeatedly did things that really shocked the Jewish leaders of his day, talking to people doing things that were CONSIDERED sinful.
I have no right to judge the unsaved (See Matt 7), and the only reason I would have to consider sinful actions is to make sure my life is right, and offer help to those who ask for it.
And exhale. My lunch break is ending, I'll try to catch up but please consider visiting my church's website and emailing the webmaster (me) or, for answers with far better knowledge and biblical backing, the pastor and deacons. I'm just a young Christian, I still have a ton to learn.
God bless! - 0tis, on 06/23/2009, -8/+72ensada, thank you (and I say this as an atheist) for presenting a reasonable Christian point of view. So many Christians, and sadly the ones who get a lot of the attention, take a "picking and choosing" attitude to the Bible.
This article very well illustrates the hypocrisy of those types of people, but sadly the comments show a remarkable ignorance and willingness to generalise when it comes to religion. - ASFx, on 06/23/2009, -11/+73So every 100 years or so Christians can change all of God's rules to fit in with modern times?
- inactive, on 06/23/2009, -11/+73matthew 5:17 and 5:18 -jesus says that he did not come to change the old laws, and that not a letter of those laws will change until the end of the world. The OT is an albatross around your neck, christian hypocrite.
- Urrelles, on 06/23/2009, -29/+90The fiction comment is old and stupid. A work of fiction is purposely created as a story that is not true.
The Bible is the history of the Jewish people and their religion put together by hundreds of people over time. Many of the books were written within 100 years of the events. They were written by people with no grasp of science and typically not well educated. The agendas of the authors are reflected in each chapter of the Bible.
This article shows mostly quotes from Leviticus. The book Leviticus was written by Moses after he freed the Isrealites from Egypt. He wrote the book in an attempt to give the Isrealites their own law and religious purpse devoid of anything Egyptian. (which he failed to do with the 10 commandments).
the people of 2000+ years ago were much into legends and folk lore. A solid story would be turned into a fantastical tale within a matter of years. If you take the time to understand the culture of the people during those times you can cut through the ***** of the Bible and see the facts in it.
If an American Indian told you a tale about great warriors using moon spirits and wolf creatures to fight against the Americans during the 1700s, you wouldn't call it fiction. You'd call it folk lore or even fact. You wouldn't say the Aztec written history with sun gods etc is ficiton. You'd also call that lore or history. You'd understand what was ***** and what was fact in the stories.
But when it comes to the Bible people (believers and non-believers) lose all common sense and go ***** insane as they blurt out anything that comes to the top of their heads. - FFandMMfan, on 06/23/2009, -14/+68Awesome. My parents were never married so I'm forsaken from birth. If Christianity is by chance real, I'm already going to hell anyway, so I can sin as much as I want. ***** yeah, rock on.
- Threlly1, on 06/23/2009, -26/+80Errr..hello.
"One Nation Under God" - nyxerebos, on 06/23/2009, -3/+57It does come off a little insecure, but I may start using it in everyday conversation if I'm not completely confident in what I'm saying. I am the Lord.
- Suricou, on 06/23/2009, -3/+55If it's not important, why do Christians still keep it around? Many of them are eager to quote just the verses they agree with.
- GenerousLinus, on 06/23/2009, -1/+53It sounds like you're going to be breaking that divorce rule pretty soon.
- joot2112, on 06/23/2009, -0/+51It's funny but it's not. I knew a Greek Catholic woman who would shower at night with the lights out because she considered it sinful to look at her own body. I found that so sad... to shame what is natural - I think it's abusive.
- kassem23, on 06/23/2009, -72/+123Great being an atheist. Me like.
- freedomischaos, on 06/23/2009, -6/+54"Heaven is for the climate; Hell for the company."
- ShingoEX, on 06/23/2009, -22/+70If you've had sex, don't urinate at any point afterward unless it is into your wife, lest you spill some of your seed.
- SuperCujo, on 06/23/2009, -9/+55I prefer to burn it. It pisses off more people :)
- Solis, on 06/23/2009, -1/+46No, I wouldn't believe it. I was told the Bible was "real" when I was growing up, yet here I stand today, not ***** retarded, and not believing any of it.
- inactive, on 06/23/2009, -7/+52You don't know what you're talking about. Read matthew 5:17-18. All of those old laws stand, according to, um, that jesus christ character.
- Lewie, on 06/23/2009, -0/+45"If one of your men is unclean because of a nocturnal emission, he is to go outside the camp and stay there." - Deuteronomy 23:10
- SpinningHead, on 06/23/2009, -0/+44I'm not religious and I still feel ashamed looking at my body. I guess I should hit the gym.
- InfinitySnatch, on 06/23/2009, -8/+52Most of the stupid stuff is from the Old Testament.
I like the one story where God destroys Job and his family just to win a bet with the devil. - inactive, on 06/23/2009, -14/+58don;t digg this guy down, this shows that christians have to obey all of the laws set forth in leviticus, dueteronomy, etc, or, they are hypocrites.
- Akairenn, on 06/23/2009, -13/+56"bury those of us who know what we're talking about"
So, as the article asks - are you guys going to stop the gay hate, or are you just being selective hypocrites?
Actually, you don't really need to answer that, as it's patently obvious. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." - Jeebus.
New Testament. No escaping that one, bitches. -
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