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SuicideGirls rated F by the Better Business Bureau

apneaticmedia.com — Los Angeles, CA - A BBB F rating designates that "We strongly question the company ’s reliability for reasons such as that they have failed to respond to complaints, their advertising is grossly misleading, they are not in compliance with the law’s licensing or registration requirements, their complaints contain especially serious allegations..."

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  • adameros, on 11/26/2007, -3/+229In my opinion, Missy and Sean (the pair that run SG) are two-bit crooks. I'm glad to see news it getting out about their shadiness.
    • lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -1/+108I tried to care about this, I even visited the site, but after about a minute and a half I suddenly lost interest and got really tired.
      • Neiby, on 11/26/2007, -8/+9Same here. I've briefly been to the site but not long enough to even figure out what the hell it's about. It just doesn't seem that interesting.
        • ozid, on 11/26/2007, -4/+13Either you got that joke and just suck at contributing. Or you didn't get it at all.

          I'm going with the latter.
          • Neiby, on 11/26/2007, -0/+9Holy crap. Yes...I missed the joke. I get a big FAIL.

            Now, where in the hell is the delete button??

            My comment sort of stands, though. I've never understood the allure of that particular site.
      • wedgemartin, on 11/26/2007, -0/+13And then I masturbated furiously.... to a Sears magazine showing the latest line of kitchen appliances.
    • Elranzer, on 11/26/2007, -11/+7They could be rated at least a C if they dropped Wil Wheaton's Geek in Review...
      • aywwts4, on 11/26/2007, -0/+3Thats the only reason I go to suicide girls... and my girlfriend starts glaring at me, then I have to profess, "I'm just going there for the articles dear!"
    • sockpuppets, on 11/26/2007, -4/+30Does anyone else find it odd the story right above this one is about shooting guns into vaginas?
    • hauln4, on 11/26/2007, -2/+50As opposed to 8-bit crooks?
      • directive0, on 11/26/2007, -1/+33That would make a sick band name!
        • felchdonkey, on 11/26/2007, -1/+20I'd like to see a band that was actually called That Would Make A Sick Band Name.
          • RpgActioN, on 11/26/2007, -6/+3I'd like to see a band that was actually called I'd Like to See a Band That Was Actually Called That Would Make a Sick Band Name.
          • aduzik, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3Oops, RpgActioN went one too far.
        • AmICoolNow, on 11/27/2007, -0/+4Every time someone says that they forget it the day after.
      • merreborn, on 11/26/2007, -10/+2the term "2-bit crook" refers to an old colonial-era coin:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_bits

        With this in mind, the meaning of the colloquialism "2-bit crook" is "small time crook".
    • TheUngod, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Why has nobody listened to me on this site about this for so long? I have known so many people get screwed by this site, mostly the models. I always warn my friends who want to be SG's that it will ruin any other modelling they wish to do, and it always does.
  • Lolitchen, on 11/26/2007, -34/+3Iceburn!
  • cardinal91, on 11/26/2007, -12/+78About time the light started to be shed on the abuse SG has been propagating inside they're little private world.
  • NullzipZero, on 11/26/2007, -5/+134This doesn't surprise me at all, they have screwed more girls than Wilt Chamberlain.
    • LeRenard, on 11/26/2007, -4/+11For whatever reason, my mind confused Wilt Chamberlain with Will Wheaton, which adds a whole new meaning to your sentence..
  • Vaia, on 11/26/2007, -0/+37Not a bit surprising...long overdue!
  • Alphateam, on 11/26/2007, -28/+6But.....they are still hot as hell.
    • RedHerringHack, on 11/26/2007, -6/+9They would look good behind bars.
      • Alphateam, on 11/26/2007, -4/+3Hell ya they would. Locked up...nice idea Red.
  • sockpuppets, on 11/26/2007, -10/+160Does "F" stand for what I think it does? Because if so, giggity giggity!
  • vermax, on 11/26/2007, -6/+168plus their site promotes incredibly tacky cliche women. oh that.
    i really DO only go there for the blogs; the women are just dumb. radical? yeah, in a cookie-cutter way.
    i remember ten years ago when all of a sudden every girl in the east village became a dominatrix. so new.
    and tattoos really make you distinctive. yawn.
    • alanr19, on 11/26/2007, -3/+75You've pretty much summed up the whole goth chick thing. They are certainly a tiresome bunch. I doff my hat to you.
      • berb, on 11/26/2007, -0/+12Dugg because I now know what the word doff means.
    • Pthalio, on 11/26/2007, -8/+30When I was about 12 or 13 I really wanted to be a goth chick.. I'm so totally over it all now. I can see goth chicks for what they really are, its all so tired.
      • Triachus, on 11/26/2007, -24/+6So what, are you 14 now? Hope you found a new label to become.
      • Pthalio, on 11/26/2007, -4/+20I'm now 32, I grew up and became myself not a label... thanks for your insight, though.
      • atonement, on 11/26/2007, -13/+5"I'm so totally over it all now".... You're definitely not finished with making yourself SOUND like a 14 year old girl.
      • sgtpppr, on 11/26/2007, -3/+11Glad to see you aren't over the cliques and stereotypes though. Now you can look down on their group when you're leaving the Gap and point and laugh.
        • wedgemartin, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1I almost shot wine out of my nose just now.
      • wedgemartin, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5Glad to see you opted for 'valley girl'
        • Pthalio, on 11/26/2007, -2/+4like..whatever!


          see that was me poking fun at myself for those who didnt' get it
    • terminal157, on 11/26/2007, -0/+9You hit the nail on the head. The site's only popular because it's hip, meanwhile it's mediocre in almost every way.
    • KMye, on 11/26/2007, -3/+20I ran into a new inductee at a friend's house a while back, and will confirm the *dumb*, at least in her case. Listening to her try to laud, very passionately, the literary style of Kerouac was really, really entertaining.
    • Jacob, on 11/26/2007, -15/+9A friend of mine is a suicide girl, I can tell you she most certainly is not dumb. She is one of the most unique individual people I know. I grant you a lot of that site is cookie cutter there are a lot of girls on there that aren't.
      • Jomwilli, on 11/26/2007, -2/+27"Unique individual," just like all the other Suicide Girls.
      • Triachus, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8They're entitled to all be different and unique in the same exact way. No matter how edgy and unique these girls pretend they are, they will never have grasp on reality. The amount of time they devote to their look is so time-consuming and vain that I'd put it on par with the orange freaks of SoCal.
      • catalysis, on 11/26/2007, -16/+7Everyone is unique. The above posters are just bitter and angry at people who live different lives than them.

        Go to work at 9? Check
        Come home at 5? Check
        Put down people who are different? Check
      • Subliminational, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8People just like to put others down to make themselves feel better. If they are (bad things I say they are) then I must not be (bad things I say they are) since I'm making fun of it right?
      • MikeFromAmerica, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5Just to jump on the criticism bandwagon, but someone cannot be "more" or "most" unique. Either you're unique or you're not.
      • lostboy, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1It seems to me that a lot of threatened young men here would like to promote an image of dumb bimbo girls as SGs when it couldn't be more opposite. While the site owners have turned out to b scumbags lots of the SGs were not. I say this being a previous member of sg.com. I left because I got bored of looking at boobies (surely not) but before I left I got to read about some of the SGs and talk to them. Some of them were pretty cool.

        Take each person as you find them, judge them by *their* merits. Assume nothing.
    • IntoTheWired, on 11/26/2007, -0/+7I think tattooing has become an unfortunate victim in this whole thing. Tattooing has become cliche only because the wrong people are getting tattoos. I, myself, have no tattoos, but I know people who enjoy tattooing and work as tattoo artists. Their business has skyrocketed in the more recent years, which they enjoy. However, I have heard horror stories about droves of people coming into the shop for band logos or liquor logos. Some see tattooing as just another accessory to their personal fashion sense, and this is wrong. I'm interested to see what kind of return a person might get by investing in a technologies company who creates the latest in tattoo removal products.
      • Vitalstar, on 11/26/2007, -1/+8To quote Lisa Simpson from about 5 years ago "oh a tatoo...so rebellious, in a conformist sort of way".
        • yohnstoppable, on 11/26/2007, -0/+4I think she was referring to Bart's earring.
        • innocentsinner, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1That's also more like 10 years old than 5
    • Bodhinature, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2Like the Dead Milkmen say: "You're just another Boring Bi-sexual!'
  • Jeffler, on 11/26/2007, -2/+20Damn :( Their parent company just bought the HFBoards, my favorite hockey forums :(. This isn't a good thing, is it?
    • h0v3rb1k3s, on 11/26/2007, -0/+7Dugg, because I'm also a member at HF (tom_servo).

      And I wasn't aware of that tidbit of information.
      • Jeffler, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Yeah, HF was bought by Crave Media on November 1st. Only TU, Gee Wally, and possibly Dustin Rose could possibly save this place if its true.

        I'm Jeffler* btw.
  • maxyRO, on 11/26/2007, -9/+1wtf? submitted an entire site?
    • psyjoniz, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1yeah, the result will be later if anyone follows the link they will be like huh? genius.
  • thelimopit, on 11/26/2007, -3/+82My mate's ex-girlfriend was a suicide girl, she got incredibly pissed off with it and left.

    I wish I had something more interesting to say. Oh yeah, also I met a guy who was on SG and he was a bit of a dick, apparently tried to molest someone in a club or something.
  • greebowarrior, on 11/26/2007, -4/+306"their advertising is grossly misleading"
    so, does that mean they should have more pictures of girls actually committing suicide?
    • UwasaWaya, on 11/26/2007, -1/+13That comment made my day.
    • PathDaemon, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1But... wait, I can't find this on the BBB website. The advertising section just says "No question about the truth of this company's advertising has come to our attention."
    • Disease, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1You beat me to the comment.
  • NateTheApe21, on 11/26/2007, -0/+184Because people that go to SuicideGirls often look at BBB rating before spending money
    • OMGWTFROFLMAOx2, on 11/26/2007, -1/+67Wait wait wait. You guys PAY for porn?
    • Filmore, on 11/26/2007, -2/+28I, too, often find myself purchasing porn after spending time in Bed Bath and Beyond.
      • MikeFromAmerica, on 11/26/2007, -2/+34Not me. I just rub one out in the linen section.
    • JeffD, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Does anyone, anywhere, ever look at BBB ratings before purchasing?
  • alanr19, on 11/26/2007, -4/+44There's advertising on that site? Never knew that. I guess Adblock plus really does work then.
  • charlie55, on 11/26/2007, -4/+47wait? a porn site is less than classy? even a porn site that pretends to be something other than a pornsite?
  • alpine75, on 11/26/2007, -26/+6Why exactly should I care what rating a porn site gets? Buried.
    • sockpuppets, on 11/26/2007, -4/+63Not caring about porn is one of the top indicators of depression. Talk to your doctor about Celexa™ today.
      • alpine75, on 11/26/2007, -4/+8lol...that or I'm married
        • sockpuppets, on 11/26/2007, -1/+41Depression is one of the top indicators of marriage. Talk to your lawyer about Divorce™ today.
        • Crispin, on 11/26/2007, -1/+10Pretty sure being married should have the opposite effect on your attentiveness to porn.
        • GliTCH82, on 11/27/2007, -0/+2Holy *****, sockpuppets is on a roll. Bury this or whatever but that ***** had me falling off my chair laughing.
  • tuxidomasx, on 11/26/2007, -21/+7wait, what?

    the site itself is well-designed, and theres certainly nothing wrong with naked chicks. I've certainly never had a complaint with them.
  • DannySpace, on 11/26/2007, -10/+10The Last thing that goes through my head when looking at their T&A is "Oh, I wonder if these gals are reputable business women...?" It's called Smut, people! If you can't get a rise out of it, move along...
  • Christbait, on 11/26/2007, -14/+7Good. Take it down, take it down and kill it with fire. I hate these dull myspace-bred clones.
  • teambosun, on 11/26/2007, -1/+27server gets F rating
  • pentak, on 11/26/2007, -0/+29The contracts they demand for models & photographers are unbelievable: http://suicidegirlx.com/
  • Razenoth, on 11/26/2007, -1/+3Makes me wonder how other big name porn sites stack up. Anyone got some ratings for other sites?
    • cervenka, on 11/26/2007, -5/+5www.GodsGirls.com (here) - a lot of the most popular SG's moved on to GodsGirls - Apnea, Teigan, Katie (who are now Apneatic, Erin, and Kate on GG)

      It's a wonderful webside, wonderful community, wonderful girls
      • LilJimmyNordin, on 11/26/2007, -2/+1Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

        YAWN.
  • ChristBehemoth, on 11/26/2007, -4/+2I love you Ariel Waldman!!
  • chaos7, on 11/26/2007, -9/+12i once dated a goth chick and she put me in worst hell of my life.
  • MikeonTV, on 11/26/2007, -11/+1Who are they trying to impress? Their called Suicide Girls!
  • lagrange, on 11/26/2007, -10/+4I came, so whats the problem?
  • kryptman40k, on 11/26/2007, -3/+25A friend of mine did a shoot for them and she said the photographer was a total sleazebag and tried to have a threesome with her and her friend. I've also heard of a lot of girls not getting paid, so this doesn't surprise me in the lease.
    • sockpuppets, on 11/26/2007, -0/+22That's why I prefer month-to-month agreements.
    • deathsquadx, on 12/03/2007, -0/+1There are a lot of sleazy photographers that say they shoot for SG, this allows them to get girls to do nude photoshoots.
  • riumplus, on 11/26/2007, -35/+55I'm dating an ex-suicide girl. The contracts they lock the girls into are absolutely horrible, especially their clause that prevents you from doing any other work with anyone else... while you'll only earn an abysmal rate of $500-$1000 or so a year or so from the photography shoots they'll organise for you. Think for a moment about how much a nude model could make elsewhere - quite easily more than that for a single afternoon photoshoot.

    (And before anyone comments about the unlikelihood of someone on digg actually having a girlfriend, let alone a suicide girl, let me just say that she has a long hair fetish, and I have hair down my back, and was extremely lucky to be the longest-haired male she has come across in a while. And she also has power button/USB/Serial/Firewire/Aux in&out/PS/2 ports at various places on her body. And reads digg. And if you think something like that can't exist within our current understanding of the laws of the universe, then http://morriganslayde.riumplus.com/pinup/morriganp ... (only slightly NSFW) that's her, http://www.riumplus.com/hidden/morripower.jpg (slightly more NSFW but not very) that's her from behind with one of her tattoos visible, and http://morriganslayde.riumplus.com/post/saigon.jpg (SFW) that's a recent photo of us together. Check the domain name/username/icon if you want.)
    • sockpuppets, on 11/26/2007, -4/+190That's the longest diatribe of "hey look, I'm getting laid" on Digg I've ever seen. Nobody cares, dude. Relax.
      • riumplus, on 11/26/2007, -6/+31Sorry, just trying to cover all bases before someone dugg me down for thinking I'm making her up.
        • doktorzee, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5Understood, but come on. The wacko loosers on this site are probably the minority.
      • Gir53457, on 11/26/2007, -1/+1She looks... Inflatable...
    • betacmag4u, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2The more restrictive a non-compete clause is the easier it is to break. Get the girls together and get a lawyer.
    • Filmore, on 11/26/2007, -0/+60"...let me just say that she has a long hair fetish, and I have hair down my back..."

      I, too, am cursed with long back hair.
    • nblsavage, on 11/26/2007, -10/+5Well done, my friend, well done. She's a beauty.
    • YKKonMyZipper, on 11/26/2007, -1/+14Naked pictures don't work now >.<

    • zeeeg, on 11/26/2007, -1/+7If the contract was so horribly restrictive and underpaying, why did she sign it in the first place? Sorry I don't feel sorry for anyone that gets duped by people in a notoriously sleazy business. What's next, drug dealers filing suit against their suppliers?
    • phrozenone, on 11/26/2007, -2/+6WoW sounds like your speaking from experience, didn't know the badge of honor these girl carry was worthless, thanks good info
    • hatchetbearer, on 11/26/2007, -1/+18wow, 404's so sexy
    • Sham3d, on 11/26/2007, -1/+2(NSFW)
      http://morriganslayde.riumplus.com/printshop/image ...
      wtf
    • skyshock1, on 11/26/2007, -2/+7Oh sweet thanks for the pic! I just submitted it to http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/

      (yes, that's a real URL)
      • trogdor139, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1That website is pretty damn funny.
  • riumplus, on 11/26/2007, -40/+4I'm dating an ex-suicide girl. The contracts they lock the girls into are absolutely horrible, especially their clause that prevents you from doing any other work with anyone else... while you'll only earn an abysmal rate of $500-$1000 or so a year or so from the photography shoots they'll organise for you. Think for a moment about how much a nude model could make elsewhere - quite easily more than that for a single afternoon photoshoot.

    (And before anyone comments about the unlikelihood of someone on digg actually having a girlfriend, let alone a suicide girl, let me just say that she has a long hair fetish, and I have hair down my back, and was extremely lucky to be the longest-haired male she has come across in a while. And she also has power button/USB/Serial/Firewire/Aux in&out/PS/2 ports at various places on her body. And reads digg. And if you think something like that can't exist within our current understanding of the laws of the universe, then http://morriganslayde.riumplus.com/pinup/morriganp ... (only slightly NSFW) that's her, http://www.riumplus.com/hidden/morripower.jpg (slightly more NSFW but not very) that's her from behind with one of her tattoos visible, and http://morriganslayde.riumplus.com/post/saigon.jpg (SFW) that's a recent photo of us together. Check the domain name/username/icon if you want. There's some pics so it did too happen!)

    And digg's comment system sucks. Sorry if this is a double-post.
  • Sagara, on 11/26/2007, -0/+8yup. their contracts SUCK.
  • ohhoe, on 11/26/2007, -2/+25SG tries to pride themselves on the fact that they're the first 'alt' porn site. Which is *****.

    If you want to see a quality site that is full of attractive girls, and runs with some actual morality check out http://www.supercult.com


    Suicide Girls accepts any pierced scenester with a digital camera.
    • Defuser, on 11/26/2007, -9/+0"run with some actual morality"...?
      Look, I like me some porn as much as the next guy, but let's not pretend that it's something it's not. The porn business exists to exploit women for the gratification of men. Period. Hopefully, the women are making a bundle of cash from it, but it's not exactly like we're talking about the Salvation Army or UNICEF here.
      • ohhoe, on 11/26/2007, -0/+9Uhm, I'm a straight woman and I enjoy looking at porn. And I have plenty of straight female friends that also enjoy porn.

        I really don't see how it's exploiting them if they're willing AND eager to do it, they're not being forced.
    • nskinn, on 11/27/2007, -0/+3BurningAngel.com looks good: (NSFW)

      http://www.burningangel.com/videos/index.php
  • oldtactics, on 11/26/2007, -0/+13It's about time. I hope they crash and burn.
  • Bahimiron, on 11/26/2007, -0/+21I wish I could see the actual report.

    "According to our investigation, in six years of operation not one of these so-called Suicide Girls has ever actually committed suicide."
  • shadowspawn, on 11/26/2007, -0/+7I thought that site died a while ago. I missed a resurgence?
    • xptoast, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1Suicidegirls dying makes me laugh. Nice wording.
  • SebK666, on 11/26/2007, -0/+80http://suicidegrills.com/
  • chuckbergeron, on 11/26/2007, -5/+9I can't say anything for SuicideGirls, but I can definitely put in my 2 cents about what a joke the "Better" Business Bureau is. I would never trust a damn thing this company puts forth. And yes, they're definitely a company before they're a consumer group, worried about only one thing. Money.
    • zombies187, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Sounds like you've got more to add. Source? Blog post? Elaboration?
      • chuckbergeron, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1Source is my own run-in with the crooks. We had a deal with a client go poorly a couple of years back, and instead of taking it up with us and actually discussing it he went to the BBB. However, a couple of days before we heard about the incident, we receive a phone call from someone at the BBB trying to sell us a membership for something like $500 / year claiming they'll "protect us against any disputes".
        Tough to call that a coincidence.
    • wedgemartin, on 11/26/2007, -0/+2I've had really good luck with 'em dealing with vendors that have scammed me.
    • PamalaLauren, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1I've had good and bad experiences with them. They've helped in one case and totally didn't allow the process to finish in another. I hate when business' make up lies and you can't respond and the BBB doesn't always allow for response.
  • raycaster, on 11/26/2007, -0/+9Free Lithium Picnic!!
  • cervenka, on 11/26/2007, -19/+0GodsGirls.com - http://refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=9315 ...

    They treat their girls with respect. It's a great community, great site, great atmosphere.
    • PathDaemon, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1Not posting referral links is one of the commandments of the internet. Go!
  • zeeeg, on 11/26/2007, -3/+5Is anyone really surprised that a porn producer does not conduct respectable business? I mean other than the stupid emo girls.
    • osbjmg, on 11/27/2007, -2/+1Not porn, just cool pictures. The girls interaction is pretty badass too. Most of the girls are pretty smart.
  • Abominous, on 11/26/2007, -0/+10The site is lame anyway.
  • umbriago, on 11/26/2007, -4/+4So the news here (which is not news) is that porn exploits people, the only difference being Suicide Girls exploits everybody? Stop the freakin' presses.
    • unfilterthought, on 11/26/2007, -1/+6Actually, most porn sites hire models on a per job basis.

      You'll see models doing work for MANY different sites all over the internet.

      Once you sign up to SG, you're stuck there and you can't do any other work.
  • withears, on 11/26/2007, -15/+8Suicide Girls rated A+ by the BBB (Bigger Boner Bureau)
  • Richiedude, on 11/26/2007, -1/+3no surprise here - sg is weak anyway
  • Probatus, on 11/26/2007, -5/+3The BBB is a private company, more like a club than a consumer rights group.
  • invisiblehat, on 11/26/2007, -7/+3Say what you want, those girls are delicious!
  • sididis, on 11/26/2007, -2/+6I was so pro SG and the nekkid Riotgrrl thing, until they did the contractual nasty to Lithium Picnic the best and most artistic photographer they had.I have not and will not ever renew my subscription. Any nails in their coffin are karmic ones.
  • need4speed, on 11/26/2007, -2/+7^ this is internet we are talking about here.. you actually subscribing to these sites??
  • DuckFOO, on 11/26/2007, -0/+1What a bunch of jerks SG are being! Who's representing them? Boies Schiller?
  • knobtwiddler, on 11/26/2007, -11/+6i dont know what the fascination with "suicide girls" is anyway.. anyone who thinks suicide is sexy is an idiot, and probably never known anyone who killed themselves.
    • Octegon, on 11/26/2007, -2/+4Actually, the context is about living dangerously. Like going 70 around dangerous mountain roads. Not being depressed to the point of slitting your wrists or hanging yourself.

      Thanks for playing though.
      • knobtwiddler, on 11/27/2007, -0/+1its not called "dangerous girls" its called "suicide girls"
        do you not know what the word suicide means?

        well, let me tell you, thats EXACTLY what suicide means:
        "being depressed to the point of slitting your wrists or hanging yourself. "
  • jagermeistr, on 11/26/2007, -5/+6burningangel.com is ten times better. suicide girls is porn for 14 year old goth kids.
    • ohhoe, on 11/26/2007, -0/+5No burningangel is disgusting and the dude that runs that site is a creep anyway. Burningangel is just an excuse for already slutty primarily nyc area scene sluts to glorify their loose vaginas.


      However, their porn spoofs are pretty hilarious.
      • honestpanda, on 11/26/2007, -0/+0Good to know. My girlfriend was thinking of doing a shoot with Burning Angels. Any info on Gods Girls?
      • TimmyGUNZ, on 11/27/2007, -1/+1"Burningangel is just an excuse for already slutty primarily nyc area scene sluts to glorify their loose vaginas."

        You speak like that is a bad thing.
    • Sawta, on 12/05/2007, -0/+1At best, I would call that site a lame SG rip off. I often find the best material off of stileproject.
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