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- bagelred, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12In another wonderful display of unbiased coverage and journalistic integrity, the Murdoch owned New York Post uses the following phrases in a very small blurb of NYP's famous Page Six:
"Loose-Brain Charlie Speaks" - personal attack
"stupid YouTube video" - childish commentary
"widely debunked" - complete lie
"scoffed at" - more attacks
"soundly refuted" - there has never been a sound refute
"shot down" - untrue
"conspiracy theorists" - he meant to say 9/11 realists or truthers
In a possible preview of Sunday's paper, Page Six calls Charlie Sheen a "doody head".- Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Not sure what Sheens views are, nor do I care. All I can say is, I'd hate for him to be the poster boy for my campaign.
- bagelred, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It's pretty simple. Anyone who has done actual hardcore research into the topic agrees that 9/11 HAS TO BE an inside job. When you weight all the evidence, it's as clear as glass. It's like your eyes open wide and everything becomes crystal clear.
People who don't believe 9/11 was an inside job just somehow KNOW we are wrong. They haven't done any research. They just listen to the gov't official story, listen to a few loud mouth pundits and read a few articles by supposedly credible mainstream media journalists who say we're "nuts". But they HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH FOR THEMSELVES.
I don't care what you BELIEVE, STUDY THE FACTS. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!! And when you do, there's only one possible conclusion. - Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3You have opened my eyes bagelred... all this time, I've been led falsly by a government. A prophet once told me that an online user by the name of bagelred would be my guiding light in the never ending struggle of facts and fiction. I am so glad you've done the "research" in this quest for "truth". You've spent countless hours online researching blogs filled with facts. Soon you will spread the word of how the moon landing was fake! I await your truthiness.
Lies work both ways my friend... however, the only people I've run into in real life spouting such were schizophrenic. They are the people you follow. - bagelred, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Ankrist, you STILL haven't done any research. LOL. Personal attacks and nothing else. Pathetic.
Watch, 9/11 Press for Truth, and then 9/11 Mysteries. Then Research WTC7. That'll be a good start for you.
- banders9, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11It's very convenient for the Mainstream to be able to impeach, with sweeping generalizations and vacuous ad-hominem attacks, the credibility of Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials, along with hundreds of Professors of every discipline, including Structural engineers - Professionals who question the Official story.
Yes - very convenient indeed.- AngryRepublican, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"It's very convenient for the Mainstream to be able to impeach, with sweeping generalizations and vacuous ad-hominem attacks, the credibility of Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials, along with hundreds of Professors of every discipline, including Structural engineers - Professionals who question the Official story."
Really? Because I hear of very few structural and material engineers who are also truthers. In fact, you guys tend to tout the handful of expert supporters so loudly that you ignore the vast majority of experts and specialists who do not support your claim.
So it isn't really sweeping general ad-hominem attacks so much as a general consensus of professionals and experts that happen to agree that you are wrong.
- AngryRepublican, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"It's very convenient for the Mainstream to be able to impeach, with sweeping generalizations and vacuous ad-hominem attacks, the credibility of Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials, along with hundreds of Professors of every discipline, including Structural engineers - Professionals who question the Official story."
- judgesixkiller, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10There has already been one debate between the Loose Change crew and the Popular Myth-canics crew. Avery and Bermas really stuck it to those worms, who exposed themselves as the liars they are, since they had NO answers for the hard facts. F the New York Post and all corporate controlled media.
- AngryRepublican, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I watched the debates, and it seemed to me that Avery and Bermas were brash, unprofessional, and misinformed. Popular Mechanics seemed to have the facts correct on most counts.
- inspectorholmes, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2@judgesixkiller
"F. the New York Post" - well I say, I'm shocked.
I get all my information, news and facts from the New York Post. The New York Post is the BASTION of American Society. Please join me in flying a Chinese slave made, desecrated American Flag high and proud. And remember, this nation was built on the kinds of principles and truths espoused by the strong leadership, fidelity, integrity, shown everyday in the New York Post.
Also can you tell me where I can get two rolls of rubber wallpaper and a lobotomy?????????
- caveperson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6Emailed to 2500 opinion makers weekly
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"Fight Fire With Fire
By theresalduncan
"With this in mind, The Wit Of The Staircase offers $1000 and the purchase of a battery operated bullhorn to anyone willing to shout down this conference with amplified cries of "9/11 Was An Inside Job." We'd do it ourselves, but ..."
http://theresalduncan.typepad.com/witostaircase/2007/03/fight_fire_with.html
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Veterans for 9/11 Truth News Features ----
--- News of the USA a Nation in Dire Distress ---
Friday, March 23, 2007
Protest 911 on April 15th: Great Idea
All like minded individuals,
No matter what your cause, I think that all of us can agree that we want our voices heard. It is time to get creative! I propose the following and encourage all of you to post this on your websites and spread the word. With mass participation We the People can send a message that cannot be denied or ignored.
Here is what I propose....
1) Start saving all of your junk mail (credit card applications, insurance applications, mass flyers etc.)
2) Write or stamp "Return to Sender" on all the envelopes. Write a message somewhere on the junk mail like "911 was an inside job" or "I demand a new 911 investigation" etc.
3) On April 15th, mail ALL of the junk mail back to the senders.
Since most people wait till the last minute to send out their taxes, the post offices will be flooded. If you feel so inclined, you could get 'Return to Sender' envelopes from the post office prior to April 15th and stuff the envelopes with something heavy (bricks, rocks...lead). The sender will then have to pay for the weight of the package. This will also send a message to the corporations.
So I urge you, PLEASE be a part of this and spread the word. Regardless of your cause, WE need to be heard!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!
Lindsey
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H O O R A Y 4 H O L L Y W O O D
Jumping on The 9/11 Smoking Gun Bandwagon
"....email response to my concerned friend:
Whereas you may believe my long hauling email
campaign, my website, the videos and protests are simply a lost cause, a waxing, waning and hollow search for love and generosity in my sad, lonely, and spiritless world; I feel just the opposite.
"If I didn't pursue 911 Truth and spread the Truth to as many people as possible, I wouldn't be pursuing justice when I have a clear opportunity to do so. For me, that would be the far worst thing I could do for my soul. But perhaps as important as my soul, I'm also seriously motivated for 911 Truth in order to preserve my butt, my life, and the life of those around me who I care about.
"911 is a dead serious issue. Allowing whoever carried
out the murder of nearly 3000 people to get away with
it is an invitation for them to do it again and again,
and likely worse and worse. I simply cannot tolerate
that. But in that regard, I guess I'm not that
special, in fact, pretty typical. There is a popular
and fast growing 911 Truth Movement. Everyone
involved is interested in the same thing - Justice.
It's made up from loads of people from all walks of
life and from all around the globe. It's already
pretty large and getting larger by the day. There are also many government and military officials already involved with the struggle of getting the message out over the monopolized mainstream media outlets...."
EXTENSIVE PHOTOS and Comments: http://www.911blogger.com/node/7001#new
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What If the FBI Hired Someone Honest to Look into 9-11?
[ I T D I D ! ]
Submitted by david swanson on March 13, 2007 - 9:29am. Investigations September 11, 2001
By David Swanson
It did. Her name was Sibel Edmonds. This is her story, as she told it to me. Edmonds discusses what she knows, whom it implicates, and what she's been through and what hope there is in the new Congress to start an investigation: http://www.democrats.com/node/12260
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2008 State of The Union Address Preview Shocker
....Divine, eternal justice has found in us, as judges and your retainers, its brilliant reflection on earth. Subject only to the laws of immortal equity, unknown to culpable compassion, indifferent to cursing and entreating prayers, obeying the voice of our conscience alone---we illumed this earth with the light of human wisdom and sublime, sacred truth. Not for a single moment forgetting that justice is the foundation of life, we have crucified the Christ in days gone by, and since, to this very day, we cease not to grace Golgotha with new crosses. But, certainly, only ruffians, only ruffians are hanged. We showed no mercy to God himself, in the name of the laws of immortal justice---would we be now disconcerted by the howling of this impotent, starving rabble, by their cursing and raging? Let them curse! Life herself blesses us, the great sacred truth will screen us with her veil, and the very decree of history will not be more just than our own. What have they gained by cursing? What? They are there, we're here. They are in dungeons, in galleys, on crosses, but we will go to the theater. They perish, but we will devour them--devour--devour....
http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_archives/goldman/socsig/kinghunger.html
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Rabbi Lerner Agnostic on 9/11 Inside Job
Source: tikkun.org
Michael Lerner 3/1/2007
One could argue that there is room for both conversations, and there is. In fact, the kind of psychic trauma that would happen were the charges of intentional involvement in 9/11 by the president, vice president, other high office holders, or our security apparatus ever proved in a court of law would almost certainly open up political space for a serious discussion of the kinds of radical changes I’m suggesting, especially regarding our approach to foreign policy and homeland security. Indeed, people might be open to establishing much more forceful checks and balances on the imperial presidency, reaffirming and even strengthening civil liberties protections that have been undermined by the Patriot Act and other policies of the Bush administration, securing democratic forms by eliminating the electoral college and establishing instant-runoff voting and fully, publicly financed elections that forbid any direct or indirect contributions or support for campaigns or the parties that run them, establishing firm public control of electronic voting and strict public control over lobbying to ensure that money plays no role directly or indirectly in the process, and other measures to reclaim the democracy that has eroded since 9/11.
These are important changes that could be won if 9/11 lies are exposed, if in fact they were lies (about which I am agnostic).
Rabbi Michael Lerner is editor of Tikkun Magazine. He can be reached at RabbiLerner@tikkun.org .
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Is the Military Our Last Hope?
By Paul Craig Roberts
Is the high command of the US military breaking ranks
with the Bush Regime?...
Perhaps America could regain its reputation if General
Pace would send a division of US Marines to arrest
Bush, Cheney, the entire civilian contingent in the
Pentagon, the neoconservative nazis, and the complicit
members of Congress and send them off to the Hague to
be tried for war crimes.
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IS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE KUCINICH
GOING FOR THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11?
[From 911blogger
http://www.911blogger.com/node/5850#comment ]
http://kucinich.us/
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The NIST 911 Report On The World Trade Center Collapse
By Mark H. Gaffney
http://rense.com/general74/nist.htm
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Editor: Myra M. Jackson- Herkimer56, on 10/12/2007, -8/+5How many times do you intend to cut and paste this same crap? Repeating it over and over won't make it true.
- davidfowler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Heckler56 Do you really believe that jet fuel melted steal beams and made the buildings fall at terminal velocity? That's just not possible without a unseen force, think about it. I'm sure that you'll hurt your self if you think to hard. But try anyways OK buddy
- Herkimer56, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4What's the matter? Just because I refuse to drink Alex Jones' Kool-Aid doesn't mean that I'm incapable of rational thought. Quite the opposite would be true. If you want to blindly follow the ramblings of a conman I'd say that was your business. Now why don't you go crawl back in to that hole you climbed out of three days ago.
- goldylocks7621, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3@ Herkimer56
Crawl into the whole I just dugg you. - Herkimer56, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4@goldylocks7621
Is English your native language? Do you not know the difference between the words whole and hole? Maybe dropping out of grade school wasn't such a good idea for you after all. Your ignorance has led you straight in to the truther movement. Well, at least you'll be among your own kind.
- ScaffoldRider, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6To The New York Post,
Our government would never lie to us! I would like to remind you of the many articles you have written in the past,
especially those that dealt with the 9/11 Toxic Legacy. Here's the statement you published of Christine Whitman,
"We are very encouraged that the results from our monitoring of air quality and drinking water conditions in both New York and near the Pentagon show that the public in these areas is not being exposed to excessive levels of asbestos or other harmful substances," Whitman said. "Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breath and their water is safe to drink," she added.
We know today that tens of thousands have been subjected to deathly illnesses because of Whitman's lies. Official
documents released through the Freedom of Information discloses the EPA and the White House altered press releases and test results.
MORE PEOPLE WILL DIE FROM OUR GOVERNMENT"S LIE CONCERNING THE AIR TOXICITY OF 9/11, THAN
ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO DIED ON THAT MORNING!
It's easy to make fun of Loose Change and Charlie Sheen, but why do you think over 100,000,000 people all over this planet took the time to watch the video Loose Change? It's because they know they have been lied to over and over and over by the United States Government. Now attack me and say there isn't over 400 first responders suffering from cancer and 10,000 more suffering respiratory illnesses and on and on and on!
- AngryRepublican, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Sheen has a right to speak his mind. The Post, and myself, have a right to ridicule his beliefs as completely nonsensical. Thats how it goes. Free speech is free inasmuch as no one will prevent you from speaking it. It doesn't mean that words don't have consequences. Look at Anne Coulter with her horrible Edwards-Fag comment. She can speak whatever drivel she wants, and you guys can protest her as a result. Thats how freedom works.
I give Sheen some credit though. He must be a pretty moral guy because he is willing to destroy his career to stand by his beliefs, no matter how ridiculous and insulting they are. I can say the same about Tom Cruise and his anti-psychiatry rampages. It's a shame that actors, on the whole, aren't smarter role models.- goldylocks7621, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Dugg up because what said was important. It's very important that we can freely debate the issues, and more people have to start listening to their heart, especially when money is on the line.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire
- goldylocks7621, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Dugg up because what said was important. It's very important that we can freely debate the issues, and more people have to start listening to their heart, especially when money is on the line.
- Disastermaster1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5So, can jet fuel (kerosene) melt structural steel beams hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm.....???
- Herkimer56, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Jet fuel can burn hot enough to heat steel to the point where it softens and bows and loses the ability to support the weight placed on it. Got it now? I tried to use small words so you'd have less trouble understanding.
- honestjoe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@Herkimer56
Government "OWNED" scientist have admitted that even a 50% loss of strength is still insufficient, to explain the WTC collapse! Even with its strength halved, the steel could still support two to three times the stresses imposed by a 650C fire!
Also the steel (a giant heat sink) in the building never had time to reach that temp! “The initial jet fuel fires themselves lasted at most a few minutes and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in a given location.” (NIST, 2005; p. 179)
The fires did not burn hot enough to melt, deform, or significantly weaken the steel, and NIST could not replicate the collapse of the steel when it doubled the temperatures, doubled the duration of the stress, and ignored the effect of insulation:
“Only three of the recovered samples of exterior panels reached temperatures in excess of 250 C (482 F) during the fires or after the collapse. This was based on a method developed by NIST to characterize maximum temperatures experienced by steel members through observations of paint cracking.” NIST, p. 181
“None of the recovered steel samples showed evidence of exposure to temperatures above 600 C (1092 F) for as long as 15 minutes.” NIST, p. 180
Wait it gets much worse!!!
NIST had to exaggerate temperatures (1300 F), apply these temperatures for 2 hours (i.e. over twice the duration of fires known to have existed in the failure zones), strip all the fireproofing, and then double the height of the inward pull zone, and applied triple the weight of what the floors were known to actually be supporting to produce even a hint of bowing from fire. Which was 3 inches!
“All four test specimens sustained the maximum design load for approximately 2 hours without collapsing.” NIST, p. 143
“The results established that this type of assembly was capable of sustaining a large gravity load, without collapsing, for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on September 11.” NIST, p. 143
When one reads the reports, one realizes that they are almost exclusively focused on the computer models because the physical tests did not support the governments story. It is in the computer models that we see NIST’s disconcerting tendency to blur the distinction between known reality and imagined simulation.
NIST then added this 3 inch sag to their computer model, and by way of an unknown transformation, it suddenly became 42 inches of extreme sagging. What is not reasonable is the degree of sagging NIST used in its computer models compared with the amounts its physical tests showed. Whereas the 35-foot floor model sagged only a few inches in the middle after two hours in a high-temperature furnace, NIST’s computer model showed a sagging of 42 inches of floor-sag-induced inward bowing of perimeter columns.
The extent of the floor deck sagging after the unrealistic time of two hours can be seen in NCSTAR 1-6 Figure 3-11 (p 49). You will see the 3 inches of sagging in the graph of Figure 3-15 (p 52) and then you will see it changed by magic to the computer result of 42 inches of sagging in Chapter 9, Figure 9-6 (p297).
So that is how NIST's new theory came about was by way of an unknown transformation because they could not get it to collapse in reality so they made it up! All we are asking is for NIST to please get real.
- banders9, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3No, Angryrepublican, We've not ignored the 'Experts', we've soundly thrashed their bogus theories,over and again.
The problem arises from your side AngryRepublican, with the notion that there is no debate, when you ignore credible evidence that 911 was carried out by Criminal elements within our own government. As you can see, this tactic hasn't worked out so well for you. The Truth is a bugger to dispute, isn't it, AngryRepublican? Your attempts to ridicule and poison the well of the 911 Truth movement with the public has been disastrous.
911 was an inside job.- AngryRepublican, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've heard both theories and I side fully with the majority of experts who state that 9/11 was the result of terrorist actions enabled by government ignorance. Evidence since 9/11 has lead me to believe that yes, this administration is absolutely incompetent enough to fail us like this. Nothing this administration has accomplished has lead me to believe that they could execute any plan flawlessly AND keep a lid on it forever.
I feel like you guys have some kind of compartmentalization going on. On one hand you criticize Bush and his administration for being complete morons and bungling everything they do. On the other hand you claim that they pulled off the greatest false flag operation ever.
I believe that too many of you over-scrutinize these "facts" that you claim to be irrefutable evidence and don't take the time to step back and really LOOK at what it is you are saying. At this point, you guys seem to have lost all possibility of keeping an unbiased perspective. I think that the furor over the BBC wtc7 "prediction" video illustrates this perfectly. If people pick and choose what their evidence is, or if they only search for pieces of evidence that support their claim, then anything is provable. Hell, look at creation science.
It's a shame that the notoriously insular nature of this administration only seems to fuel your resolution to these conspiracy theories. - honestjoe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@AngryRepublican you said:
"If people pick and choose what their evidence is, or if they only search for pieces of evidence that support their claim, then anything is provable."
Well that is exactly what you get in the 9/11 omission report. Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Also Secretary Mineta's testimony is entirely omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report. His testimony directly contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report in two key points. What about building 7? I can go on and on. They ignore so much evidence and testimony its criminal. The testimony of 9/11 Commissioners Thomas Kean, Jamie S. Gorelick, Timothy J. Roemer, John J. Farmer, Jr., Max Cleland who admitted that they were lied to and or purposely deceived is enough to see that the omission report was nothing more than a cover up.
AngryRepublican you said:
"Nothing this administration has accomplished has lead me to believe that they could execute any plan flawlessly AND keep a lid on it forever."
9/11 was far from perfect and they certainly did not come close to executing it flawlessly as can be seen by the large numbers that are the majority around the world and in the U.S. who do not belive the official conspiracy theory.
AngryRepublican you said:
"On one hand you criticize Bush and his administration for being complete morons and bungling everything they do. On the other hand you claim that they pulled off the greatest false flag operation ever."
I dont know of anyone who has been saying the puppet in the white house planned and executed 9/11. Bush is nothing more than a puppet and scapegoat. Remember PNAC?
An example of this would be the Iraq war. Do not belive them when they act like it has turned into something that they did not expect. This hole thing is staged. It is part of the plan to blame Bush (the puppet = scapegoat) and this was agreed by all including Bush before they ever went to Iraq. He is not running for office so its not going to hurt him.
They did exactly what they set out to do. This was supposed to be a long drawn out conflict in Iraq and they never thought it would really be a cake walk. It is going just as they had planned.
All those advocates of the war, from the neocons like Perle and Adelman to Tom Friedman are faulting the Bush administration for not doing the job right, as if the present situation in Iraq had not been publicly predicted by Bush Sr., James Baker III, Brent Scrowcroft, as well as members of the intelligence establishment who had opposed the war, not to mention some less well known critics from the Left. Between Perle and Friedman there are no essential differences. These were also the folks who have pushed for a US confrontation with Iran....
The U.S. government conducted a series of secret war games in 1999 that anticipated an invasion of Iraq would require more than 400,000 troops, and even then chaos would ensue.
U.S. Central Command had sponsored the seminar and declassified the secret report in 2004.
70 military, diplomatic and intelligence officials assumed the high troop levels of over 400,000 would be needed to keep order, seal borders and take care of other security needs.
"The conventional wisdom is the U.S. mistake in Iraq was not enough troops," said Thomas Blanton, the archive's director. "But the Desert Crossing war game in 1999 suggests we would have ended up with a failed state even with 400,000 troops on the ground."
The war games looked at "worst case" and "most likely" scenarios after a war that removed then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein from power. Some are similar to what actually occurred after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003:
-"A change in regimes does not guarantee stability," the 1999 seminar briefings said. "A number of factors including aggressive neighbors, fragmentation along religious and/or ethnic lines, and chaos created by rival forces bidding for power could adversely affect regional stability."
-"Even when civil order is restored and borders are secured, the replacement regime could be problematic - especially if perceived as weak, a puppet, or out-of-step with prevailing regional governments."
-"Iran's anti-Americanism could be enflamed by a U.S.-led intervention in Iraq," the briefings read. "The influx of U.S. and other western forces into Iraq would exacerbate worries in Tehran, as would the installation of a pro-western government in Baghdad."
-"The debate on post-Saddam Iraq also reveals the paucity of information about the potential and capabilities of the external Iraqi opposition groups. The lack of intelligence concerning their roles hampers U.S. policy development."
-"Also, some participants believe that no Arab government will welcome the kind of lengthy U.S. presence that would be required to install and sustain a democratic government."
-"A long-term, large-scale military intervention may be at odds with many coalition partners."
They new all of this and wanted it. How can you belive that they had no idea? Are you not paying attention to what is happening? They have achived success and now they can get away with it by acting stupid and saying Bush their puppet = scapegoat suddenly became so incompetent. Come on they new this was going to happen its part of there 100 year war remmeber?
What did Dick say? It will last for generations.
Look I will admit there are some neo-cons who are just uninformed ignorant idiots that were doing what they were told and may have belived the war on terror especially in Iraq was going to be different but they were just tools so who cares. The ones who matter most certainly knew this was going to happen in Iraq and this is what they wanted.
Richard Perle and Douglas Fieth (among others) wrote this policy paper for then Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Neyatanu http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm "A Clean Break a New Strategy for Securing the Realm". This was written in 1998 that calls for "rolling back Syria", "removing Sadam from power", and "forging a closer relationship with the U.S." When 911 happened these pro-Israel neocons exploited people's anger not to destroy Al Queda and kill Bin Laden but to advance Isreal's interests.
Douglas Fieth was put in charge of the Office of Special Plans, the office that was responsible for most of the "intelligence" about Sadam Hussien having WMD's. Larry Franklin who worked for Fieth is sitting in prison now for passing classified information about Iran to AIPAC. The two top officials at AIPAC Kieth Wiesman and Steve Rosen are currently on trial now for espionage. A lot of people say this classified information must have come from someone higher than Franklin's paygrade (ie Fieth). You should look up Sibel Edmonds about the TREASON committed by Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Marc Grossman, Eric Edelman, and Stephen Solarz, William Cohen, Joseph Ralston, Dennis Hastert and others.
The U.S. is continuing to build the biggest "Consulate" building that the world has ever seen in Iraq. Look at the number of bases we are building there. Iraq is just a strategic strong hold from where to attack and expand into other interests. Again you need to look at PNAC and read what they have planned for U.S.. You must be aware that we have been in Iran softening up and locating targets. The U.S. is even using Al Queda to do it. Why? Do you think its because of the war on terror or because Bush the puppet=scapegoat wants to? What ever, just keep being distracted by the puppet so those pulling the strings can continue to get away with thier crimes and blame the foolish scapegoat Bush.
- AngryRepublican, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I've heard both theories and I side fully with the majority of experts who state that 9/11 was the result of terrorist actions enabled by government ignorance. Evidence since 9/11 has lead me to believe that yes, this administration is absolutely incompetent enough to fail us like this. Nothing this administration has accomplished has lead me to believe that they could execute any plan flawlessly AND keep a lid on it forever.
- Disastermaster1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Oh, well, excuse me .....George Bush and his cabinet are THE most wonderful Americans who have ever lived and no other person throughout U.S. history could ever hold a candle to one of these fine Americans. Jet fuel melts steel, passenger jets are very easy to fly and maneuver , it was just a coincidence that NORAD was running drills that same day and I also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter bunny so please, don't destroy what I believe in.
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