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- MadN, on 11/26/2007, -12/+240We prosecuted War Criminals from Japan after World War Two whose only crime was water boarding.
PS: They were found guilty of torturing American service members and condemned to death. - malfourmed, on 11/26/2007, -5/+228What are they going to do? Arrest him for threatening to not torture the President's daughter?
- jskahan, on 11/26/2007, -12/+206After reading this snippet and the Time interview I came up with a new idea for Mr. King's next novel: A country which becomes so infatuated with it's popular culture that it becomes oblivious to it's own impending doom, the fact that it's children are becoming ignorant and violent to the point of not being able to sustain civilization for another generation.
The starting scene would be some pop-tart getting out of a limo drunk, not wearing any panties, holding a dead rat dog. Ending with scenes reminiscent of "The Omega Man" (sorry Big Willy, you just don't have the kitsch factor). - EarlOfLade, on 11/26/2007, -10/+153I suggest waterboarding Bush and Cheney live on TV.
Pay per view benefiting veterans. - cmost, on 11/26/2007, -20/+156I couldn't agree more. If George Bush doesn't think Waterboarding is torture then he shouldn't have a problem with his kids, or his wife for that matter, being waterboarded for the pleasure of the people.
- nblsavage, on 11/26/2007, -1/+70I didn't expect that.
- duggtodeath, on 11/26/2007, -6/+69Spooky! I'm sure glad that's not happening in America right now!
- nanboya, on 11/26/2007, -6/+66Ironic, isn't it? Or maybe a little hypocritical? The media banters about whether the practice of waterboarding is considered torture or not without giving second thought to the fact that this is actually happening to real people, yet a theoretical comment about waterboarding a certain someone's daughter is grounds for making someone else's life living hell... almost as good as naming a teddy bear after a certain religious prophet.
- powatom, on 11/26/2007, -6/+52Oh ***** it, somebody may as well say it...
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
Kill me now :( - hipnerd, on 11/26/2007, -2/+48He writes it all. The guy is a machine.
- lostarchitect, on 11/26/2007, -1/+43i had a professor who lived down the hall from him in college.. he said that literally every single time he stumbled home half-cocked after a party, he heard typing from king's room. the guy just writes all the damn time.
- inactive, on 11/26/2007, -3/+44I can only assume that you are referring to Bush. As he is the only treasonous bastard mentioned in the article.
- hipnerd, on 11/26/2007, -1/+41"The informal fallacy of false dilemma—also known as false choice, false dichotomy, falsified dilemma, fallacy of the excluded middle, black and white thinking, false correlative, either/or fallacy, and bifurcation—involves a situation in which two alternative statements are held to be the only possible options, when in reality there exists one or more other options which have not been considered."
Just thought I'd help you out with your basic logic. - inactive, on 11/26/2007, -2/+42it was used by the spanish inquisition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding#Spanish ...
- detarame, on 11/26/2007, -3/+42Wrong: They were condemed to hard labor and imprisonment, not death. Everything else you said is accurate.
- monkeyrun, on 11/26/2007, -1/+39According to the current administration, it's not torture.
Basically Steven King just said, "Have Jenna Bush play the FPD game (First person drowning game)." - reedatschool, on 11/26/2007, -3/+40Considering we prosecuted people for waterboarding in the past and locked them up for long periods of time might indicate its acceptableness.
Making someone feel like their going to die and the fact that people can die easily when being drowned repeatedly amounts to nothing less than attempted murder. The fact that so many politicians have a hard time deciding whether we should be actively drowning people to get information is a sad commentary on where our nation is heading.
What happens when American citizens are the 'terrorists" and we just need to drown them a few times to get that "life" saving information. The slippery slope is not just a fantasy, it is probably already happening. With all this secrecy how do we really know if people aren't disappearing? The answer is we don't and the world is a lot scary under the rule of our current administration. - vsujohn2, on 11/26/2007, -6/+43I think the whole waterboarding is torture thing is a non-issue. They KNOW its torture, but they think its something necessary to do, but in order to keep on doing it they just have to say its an intense interrogation technique, sounds like newspeak to me. But it my mind thats ***** ridiculous
- TicoTico, on 11/26/2007, -3/+36News content has 2 objectives
1- filling the gaps between advertisement.
2- diverting the people from the real issues - Neuro421, on 11/26/2007, -3/+30Yeah, well the occupation in Iraq is also a PR nightmare. So is Blackwater, Haliburton, Afghanistan, the CIA leak, Cheney shooting someone in the face...
- spect3r, on 11/26/2007, -3/+30Buys a minivan?
- nicku, on 11/26/2007, -0/+26Rent Idiocracy if you haven't seen it already.
- roadtripper, on 11/26/2007, -5/+31Direct link to actual Time interview w/o commentary:
http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,16872 ... - vault, on 11/26/2007, -37/+62Did he actually say that, or did a ghost writer say it for him?
- Adamande, on 11/26/2007, -0/+25Your logic is impossible if all you compare to is death. Most things in the world are less bad than death. Being slowly cooked over open fire for two hours is not as bad as death. Having all your fingers cut off with a rusty pair of scissors is not as bad as death. Doesn't mean it's ***** right to be doing it to people. Waterboarding is drowning. Not simulated drowning, but actual drowning. Your lungs are actually filling with water. People will lie about anything to get out of that. It's insane to think it serves any successful purpose as an interrogation technique.
- WasabiBomb, on 11/26/2007, -9/+32Shut up. Just shut up. At this point, you're not doing him any good- you're just hurting his chances of being elected.
- sonaboy, on 11/26/2007, -0/+23One custom-made IRS audit, coming up.
- greenlight2001, on 11/26/2007, -4/+27I've met Stephen King a bunch of time, he's a cool guy. I highly doubt they would ***** with a guy that is known the world over... that would be a PR nightmare.
- s14sh3r, on 11/26/2007, -0/+23I have an opening on wednesday, check with my secretary.
- jejeje666, on 11/26/2007, -10/+31> We aren't waterboarding innocent civilians
How do you know for sure? They haven't gone through proper trial. - haydesigner, on 11/26/2007, -1/+21Really, can't argue with a logic like that.
- g33b33, on 11/26/2007, -1/+20You take that back. The guy is a frikkin genius. Shawshank, Liseys Story, Hearts in Atlantis and THE DARK TOWER!!!!
- glitch47, on 11/26/2007, -7/+26lol. well said, malfourmed.
- Beatmiser, on 11/26/2007, -0/+18Waterboarding does not achieve accurate information. This has been proven.
- benjpw, on 11/26/2007, -2/+20NEWS FLASH: What (made) America great was that we were a liberal, democratic society that atleast BELIEVED we would try to better then the enemies we fought. This often (almost always) never happened - we interned innocent Japanese in World War II, we dropped Agent Orange on villagers in Vietnam, we supplied arms to despotic generals who committed human rights abuses against everyone (including Catholic Bishops and American citizens) in South America, and now we torture people.
It is idiots like you who hold us back from being truly democratic, liberal, and keep us from having the moral authority to say "We are better then you becuase we conduct ourselves in a higher manner." Instead we are no better - we are just more powerful. And just like the powerful empire of Rome I fear we may fall - and then we will be the ones being water boarded by people who have longer memories then our 24 hour news cycle culture.
I hope that day never comes and I hope we can change our ways. - greenlight2001, on 11/26/2007, -2/+19You talking from personal experience with him? Or just talking out of your ass?
- duggtodeath, on 11/26/2007, -6/+23You guys turn off your sarcasm detectors? They are really useful devices.
- inactive, on 11/26/2007, -1/+17...with Firestone tires
- halavais, on 11/26/2007, -2/+18No, they don't. War crimes are still crimes.
Although I'm sure you can find some al Qaeda members who would agree with your way of thinking (i.e., the ends justify the means), Americans have always considered the US a country of laws, and those who are willing to throw those laws aside cannot call themselves patriots. - halavais, on 11/26/2007, -0/+15Haydesigner: A WaPo story citing it is here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic ...
And note that they were convicted for torturing US soldiers--including waterboarding, but not only that. And detarame, since several of the Japanese executions for torturing prisoners, I think you can make the claim that that they considered such torture a capital offense, though there is significant controversy over what seems like very different punishment for Japanese and German war criminals.
So, the question is whether those who participated and permitted waterboarding in the US will be charged with war crimes. The question of whether they *should* be is pretty much settled. - ayeroxor, on 11/26/2007, -2/+17i bet most of these ron paul people are anti-rp and are just riling you up.
- jknevitt, on 11/26/2007, -2/+16And if the government suspected you were a threat to national security, hauled you off to Gitmo and waterboarded YOU, would you be okay with it?
- TomRitchford, on 11/26/2007, -1/+15...just like the previous two generations of her family.
- ledguitar, on 11/27/2007, -0/+13I didn't know what waterboarding was until I just ready the wiki of it. How can someone think that that isn't torture?
- Pharoid, on 11/26/2007, -4/+17Ask yourself this: The majority of Americans (and Digg users) are too afraid of causing a commotion by not showing their receipt to the little Best Buy clerk. What makes you think you have the balls to stand up to your government and proclaim torture is wrong? Have you ever once participated in a protest against a government policy? Have you ever even written a letter to your Congressman expressing your displeasure? Many of you are right now digging me down to cover your cowardliness but never forget you are indeed cowards, worse than the evil men that run this nation because you knew what they did was wrong but were afraid to speak out. You will get exactly what you deserver: servitude.
- an0nymous, on 11/27/2007, -2/+15The thing that really pisses me off is how the Media always plays the ***** down.
"Simulated Drowning"?
*****. It's real enough. They just don't (usually) do it until you die.
Lung tissue still gets damaged, resperatory cavities fill with water.
Ever been in a situation where you really needed air? You could get anyone to say anything. - haydesigner, on 11/26/2007, -1/+13Noooooobody expects that!
- petewiz, on 11/27/2007, -0/+11The team from my area is better than the team from your area!
- crackedlogic, on 11/26/2007, -3/+14katrina
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