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- spilt, on 05/27/2009, -0/+32He's rich. wait what?
- LEGarvin, on 05/26/2009, -2/+25Wasn't that nice of him...
- ctiedje, on 05/26/2009, -10/+31I've seen His Holiness speak twice, and I got goosebumps both times. Amazing to see his generosity on a local level. Very cool.
- danydral, on 05/27/2009, -1/+19i just can't stop thinking abt how a monk like Dalai lama have 100 grand lying around for charity at the first place.
- inactive, on 05/26/2009, -1/+18Excellent--private donations are critical in this era when even state universities are run like corporations.
- VinnieDaMac, on 05/27/2009, -8/+22Penn & Teller *****: Dalai Lama and Tibet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYEOSCIOnrs - Wrangler76, on 05/27/2009, -5/+16For those of you asking where he got the money from: He's got a boatload of money from the CIA.
No joke or tinfoil hat.
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/02/world/world-news ...
"The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000."
"It [Tibet exile government] added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying."
The DL is full of crap. They would not earmark a PERSONAL subsidy for him if it was just to be spent on setting up offices. - steelreserve211, on 05/27/2009, -1/+12FIU will have no problem getting into Top 10 Party Schools now.
- Wrangler76, on 05/27/2009, -3/+12The CIA. No joke or tinfoil hat.
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/02/world/world-news ...
"The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000."
"It [Tibet exile government] added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying."
The DL is full of crap. They would not earmark a PERSONAL subsidy for him if it was just to be spent on setting up offices. - aufte, on 05/27/2009, -1/+9Where did he get that much money?
- sanskrtam, on 05/27/2009, -0/+8Dalai Lama is a reincarnation of bodhisattva, not buddha. And he is only relevant to the Tantric Buddhists in the Tibetan cultural area.
But I'm more surprised that he advocates democracy even though the Tibetan Gov't in Exile is more leaning towards typical oligarchic and authoritarian rule. - enrq, on 05/27/2009, -0/+5this university IS run like a corporation
- halfwayentropy, on 05/27/2009, -0/+5how does this guy have $100k to throw around??
- holyskeleton, on 05/27/2009, -0/+5well brad pit donated $600,000. what now?
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/05/20/brad-pitt-and-b ...
http://www.therenewableplanet.com/blogs/the_daily_ ... - tylerbmore, on 05/26/2009, -1/+6Miami is a mysterious city.
- inactive, on 05/27/2009, -2/+7Why does he have that much money?
- dlan4327, on 05/27/2009, -1/+6His books must be selling well.
- unradical, on 05/27/2009, -1/+6I was going to make a joke about how he doesn't spend any money with all the free Tibet he gets, but I couldn't come up with anything worth a *****.
- VinnieDaMac, on 05/27/2009, -0/+4I don't disagree, just trying to balance things out a bit.
- Zodiacspeaking, on 05/26/2009, -2/+6Nice article, one doesn't hear about Dalai Lama as much now days
- MNorton17, on 05/27/2009, -4/+8So I jump ship in Hong Kong and make my way over to Tibet, and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalayas. A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-galunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
- AlienMushroom, on 05/27/2009, -1/+4The CIA gave it to him.
- vlmusicalsound, on 05/27/2009, -0/+3I wasn't too surprised. You know how they are in Gainesville.
- vlmusicalsound, on 05/27/2009, -3/+6Classless as always.
- antlerboy, on 05/27/2009, -0/+3but its already in friggin' miami. "party schools" are schools where there isn't anything to do off school campus so everyone just sits around and consumes alcohol in the dorms.
- monkeyrun, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2that's a lot of money for a monk....
- ChronusMaximus, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2I live in Gainesville but got my degree in CIS from another school and I can tell you the arrogance in Gainesville is mind blowing. It is labeled as a "Public Ivy" school and it is one of the top research universities in the state but sometimes graduates get too full of themselves.
With that said, cutting back non-real world programs like "Apparel Design" hardly seems like its going to hurt the higher education market. But why would they cut programs like Software Engineering and Molecular Biophysics? Seems like a mistake. We should be increasing the budget for engineering, science and education programs. - Nihilist1, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2Big hitter, the Lama.
- billhanifin, on 05/26/2009, -2/+4I am going to start writing my grant application now......
- ghatid, on 05/27/2009, -1/+3Sadly, it's not even close to enough.
- cinnamonflower, on 05/26/2009, -5/+7how do I get in line for a donation?
- adam07, on 05/27/2009, -1/+3Hey vlmusicalsound,
I'm an International affairs/russian/spanish student at FSU. Funny how numb401 is being a dick, seeing as how he should be pressuring the legislature just as hard as we are for more funding for higher ed. It's not like UF isn't facing the same problems. Oh well, typical gator I guess. - vlmusicalsound, on 05/27/2009, -2/+4My school (FSU) is proposing that the entire Panama City campus be shut down and 21 programs be cut, which include:
Anthropology
Apparel Design
Geophysical Fluid Dynamics
Geological Sciences
Molecular Biophysics
Oceanography
Hospitality and Golf Management
Physical Education
Science Education (in the College of Education)
Geography
Behavioral Psychology
Software Engineering
Art Education
Ceramics
Sculpture
Studio Art
Recreational Management
German
Slavic Languages
Demography
Art Administration
These cuts would impact 7,000 students and result in a loss of great faculty members. Help? - pinkfish411, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2Sorry, but you don't seem to know anything about what the core beliefs of the religions are, or how those cores hae been interpreted and put into practice. Your characterizations are overly simplistic, reductionistic, and in a couple places downright incorrect.
Go read some actual theologians who are discussing interreligious matters. Until you that, you're just going to make yourself look like an ignoramus.
When are you atheists going to realize that commenting on religions and theology without actually studying the topic in detail makes you look about as stupid as those who say that evolution can't possibly be true but don't actually know what evolutionary theory says in the first place? - vlmusicalsound, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2I'm not condemning the university for cutting programs and consolidating. I'm simply saying that it's an unfortunate situation. I understand that some majors may not be as "important" as others in terms of the value we place upon them in society, but that doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't be offered for those who wish to pursue them. Besides, I happen to think that anthropology, science education, software engineering, geological sciences, art education, and geography are courses of study that can be conducive to a productive society. In fact, I'm sure a case could be made for all of the majors that are to be cut.
- sndream, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2If ppl think he's rich now becoz he donated 100K, look at the palace he used to live in.
- Hu99, on 05/27/2009, -2/+4Help your school keep pointless esoteric programs for the few students who can afford to chase meaningless degrees? I don't think so.
- Khiva, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2The Dalai Lama is an evil baby-eating wolfmonster who only wants to consume the souls of children and use their energies split China so he can oppress his homeland back to the stone age.
Seriously, you guys have all been brainwashed by your "free" press. You need to start listening to official Chinese media, that's where the real truth is.
I mean, why would they lie? - Gndoab, on 05/27/2009, -1/+3There was a student who went up to a zen master, and asked "What happens after you die?"
The guy replies, "I don't know."
The student then prods further, "But I thought you were a Zen Master!?"
The master smiles and says, "I am. But I'm not a dead one."
The Dalai Lama is basically the exiled king of tibet. Of course he has money. Can you imagine a king that was poor? It's nonsense to think that the dalai lama is something other than a man. - 8FoldPath, on 05/27/2009, -0/+2Do something worth paying for.
- TsuruchiBrian, on 05/30/2009, -0/+1This conversation is growing stale...
I should have just stopped talking to you when you said:
"If I'm talking to people who believe in unicorns, and I'm going to argue with them about the nature of unicorns and which different kinds of unicorns can exist at the same time, then you're damn right I'm going to take the time to learn what they're talking about before I stroll in and pretend to know better than they do about the things they believe."
I attempted to form a "reductio ad absurdum" argument, to show how ridiculous it is to attempt to learn the intricacies of every single crackpot theory before being "allowed" to criticize it, if you extend the this practice to it's natural conclusion. Rather than arguing that the conclusion was in fact not ridiculous, you elected to embrace the absurd conclusion.
This is the last response to on this topic you will get from me.
I don't think you actually believe this, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Good luck in your future life of providing respect for absurd claims and/or studying them enough to earn the right to criticize them. I do not envy you. - Confuseus, on 06/26/2009, -0/+1he gets many donations, most of it is given back to people in need
- pinkfish411, on 05/28/2009, -0/+1I know for a fact that not all the leaders I mentioned would agree with what you've identified as the core of Christianity. They wouldn't even necessarily agree with the statements themseves. Rowan Williams certainly doesn't believe all non-Christians are going to hell, and while I haven't seen a statement by Patriarch Bartholomew on the matter, the general trend among Eastern Orthodox leaders is to be agnostic about the destiny of non-Christians, and many are even universalists--they believe everyone (sometimes even Satan himself) will be saved. Pope Benedict, as a good Catholic, believes in things like "invincible ignorance" that make statements like "those who don't believe in Jesus go to hell" as not necessarily true in all cases.
None of those leaders would agree that the core is identified with what you've identified. Period. If you ask any of them, "What is the core of your faith?" none would answer, "We have two holy books and those who don't accept Jesus will go to hell." And I can't think of a single theologian, outside of a few very conservative evangelicals, who would be tempted to answer anything like that either. And no, most of the great Christian theologians in history would not believe that you could be called a Christian (at least not an orthodox one) just because you believe in two testaments and believe that those who don't accept Jesus go to hell. No one who knows anything about the development of Christian orthodoxy could make such a statement. What are the ecumenical creeds and councils for? Why did many of the early Christian theologians believe that God had planted "seeds of the Logos" in the other great systems of thought in the world, and why did they believe they'd see Socrates in heaven if you can't be saved without believing in Jesus? Why did some of the great Church Fathers believe in the doctrine of apokatastasis, the salvation and renewal of the whole creation and everyone in it, if it's a "core" belief that all the non-Christians are going to hell?
I have nothing more to say to you on this topic, because I don't think anything could convince you that maybe, just maybe, people who spend their whole lives studying Christian doctrine know more about it than you. Like I said before, you're like a creationist who thinks he knows more about evolution than the biologists do. Thus, no one who knows about theology is going to take anything you have to say as having the slightest value; we'll continue doing our interreligious dialogue as if you don't matter, because you don't. - 8FoldPath, on 05/27/2009, -1/+2If you're genuinely curious, you should read one of his books. He touches upon these topics often.
The only true "religion" is kindness. - TsuruchiBrian, on 05/27/2009, -1/+2@pinkfish411
The way to be profound is to offer something of intellectual depth or insight.
I did not claim to be profound. No one else is claiming that I am profound (not that I know of). The Dalai Lama and his supporters ARE, and I am challenging that claim.
You can say I am being a jackass and I am not even going to argue that I am not because that is subjective. What I will say is that "being a nice person" does not make you right, and that's what I am talking about. I am not saying the Dalai Lama is a jackass and I am nicer than him. I am saying the Dalai Lama is objectively WRONG.
If you value kindness above truth, then I understand why you feel the way you do. I value kindness as well, but I do not let kindness interfere with what I consider to be true or false. - pinkfish411, on 05/28/2009, -0/+1So how deeply have you studied Tibetan Buddhism in order to know what the Dalai Lama might mean by the statement, and how that statement fits with the general outlook of the Tibetan religious spirit? What have you studied about the Dalai Lama's philosophy to get a solid impression that a statment like "The only true religion is kindness" is more like "The only true color is orange" than it is like "The only true science is empirical"?
I respect people's opinions when those people have been respectful enough to their dialogue partners to form criticisms that show a deep knowledge of what they're criticism. I don't respect those who wallow in their own ignorance, those who are proud of the fact that they haven't studied much and think they know more than the people who do study, those who insist that they know what they're talking about but keep spouting off ideas that reveal a profound lack of familiarity with anything the experts have said on the matter.
Nowhere have I said that all views are equally valid. Where has anyone said that? You're arguing against a claim that no one here is making. - inactive, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1"Dalai Lama is a reincarnation of bodhisattva, not buddha."
wow, like that makes a ***** difference - steelreserve211, on 05/27/2009, -0/+1Goonga, goonga-lagoonga.
- Confuseus, on 06/26/2009, -0/+1you idiot, the CIA gave him money in the 50s to fight Communist China, that money is long gone hahaha
- TsuruchiBrian, on 05/28/2009, -1/+2@pinkfish411
I said "I don't need to spend a lot of time and effort learning about unicorns to realize it's probably nonsense."
The key phrase being "I don't need to spend A LOT of time".
I obviously spent a little bit of time learning that unicorns are probably fictitious. The fact that they are widely regarded as being imaginary and the fact that I have never seen one or even a picture of one are enough to convince me they are not real.
If I had to read a book about every crackpot theory to determine it was false, I would never have any free time. It makes much more sense to assume everything is false until evidence for it's existence is presented to me.
If for example the 6:00 news had a breaking story of a family of unicorns that were found in the forest and they had pictures and video to prove it, I would be extremely eager to see this video.
I am extremely uninterested in the any books written by the world's leading unicornologist, because I have already determined unicorns are false, and I have already determined it's going to take some kind of video evidence to even get me to explore the subject further. Even then I would be skeptical of the authenticity of the video.
I have already heard much of the evidence for the claims made by religions. I am not convinced by the "This holy book says it's true" or the "I am a messenger of God and I say it's true" argument. Unless they can offer anything beyond that, I'm not interested.
How many Dalai Lama books would I have to read for you to be satisfied that I fully understand everything he has said and still call it *****?
Or how about this...
You are calling me *****, and yet you have not read every single Digg post have ever written. How can you attack my beliefs without first knowing every single thing about me? I could be the Dalai Lama right now for all you know. That would make me the ultimate authority on whether the Dalai Lama (me) is full of *****.
It seems perfectly reasonable to dismiss certain things as being false without giving them A LOT of investigation. -
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