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- beautifulbeast, on 07/07/2009, -0/+94We'd be nicer to our companies if our companies were nicer to us.
And I logged in just to say this. - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -0/+83Job security is a dead concept in America.
The only one who can watch your ass, is you. - skipvt, on 07/07/2009, -0/+73Funny, I didn't get a two week notice when I got layed off.
- smack1700, on 07/07/2009, -0/+44My boss summed up our younger generation in the workplace as such:
We're all high-priced whores. We simply stay with an employer long enough to let them screw us over for a brief period, then we find someone who'll pay us more to eventually to also screw us over.
And we just follow the highest bidder. Why? Because our employers don't care about us, and we don't care about them. - Zippo, on 07/07/2009, -0/+41I was told yesterday that I'm losing my job as of August 14th... it's incredibly hard to focus on any work I have knowing that, in a month's time, I'm going to be out of a job. This morning I woke up with the most depressing feeling of "why bother" in my stomach as I got ready to go to work... the only thing really keeping me going at this point is having good references.
- reddfoxx1562, on 07/07/2009, -1/+34I believe that, for useless employees, this would qualify as "employment at will."
Which means that you can say "***** you" to your boss and not have to say why.
However, they can do the same. It's still nice to hear that it's actually happened.
For years, employees have hoped that them leaving would create even a fractional amount of impact as them being fired for little reason.
CEO? ***** you. If you'd gave more than a job's ***** about peoples' lives, then maybe they'd care about their job. - agentsrecord, on 07/07/2009, -2/+34Non-compete disclosures are ***** anyway. I'm glad people are ignoring the rules on that one.
When you work for a company who has you sign an agreement not to work in that field for a specific amount of time, then fires or lays you off or lowers your wages and benefits during the recession, ***** them if they expect you not to find a job in the same field. - ninjaturtles1, on 07/07/2009, -1/+32Company looks after us. Company wouldn't hurt us.
Company broke its promise.
Company betrayed us. Wicked. Tricksy, False.............. - blqysmg, on 07/07/2009, -0/+30My company has been recently bought out by a much larger one. The new company froze wages, then issued a pay cut across the board, and has a policy of giving specific unit bonuses instead of regular raises. When I brought up the fact to my boss, explaining that while I've been "promoted" three times in the last two years to a position of more responsibility, I now make less than I did in 2004, and the new company policy is a good way to guarantee that we don't ever get raises again (a $3000 bonus this year, $2700 bonus next year, $3000 bonus the year after that, etc., is the same pay for three years running,) she said that is the way they do it, and if I didn't like it, she'd advise me to look elsewhere. In other words, I love the job you're doing, we want you to dig deeper and do more for the company, but if you want any growth for yourself, ask for it somewhere else!
- mytruckhasdents, on 07/07/2009, -0/+25For years companies were worried about the "bottom line" and how much money they were making for their investors. Now they realize that ***** on employees and making them fear they'll be the next to be cut is bad for business. You know what- it's about time. You want me to stay? Throw in some better benefits, some stock options, how about YOU, MR. CEO, take a pay cut to afford me? How about you reduce the amount of overhead, dead weight, middle management and project managers? How about you stop telling me to do goddamn weekly status reports and just let me do my goddamn job? THEN, you'll see profits rise and the word will get out that this is a good company to work for, then you'll higher more quality employees.
- acknotSW, on 07/07/2009, -0/+23A few of my friends are getting ***** over in similar ways. They are being told that the company is closing for a week here and there, but the offices will still be open in case anyone wants to come in and catch up or get ahead. Of course they won't be paid for that week, but the general understanding is that if you don't exercise that option or you don't use up vacation/personal time during that week, you might not have a job when the company opens again.
- inactive, on 07/07/2009, -0/+22These people don't get it! Hence that side box caption.
Give 2 weeks notice? Maybe if I was heading overseas or wanted a break for some time (with a risk of not finding work).
If I approached a new employer explaining I had to give notice my chances of securing that job would reduce by 70%. Can't start tomorrow? too bad.
As a professional CEO or PM then yes but as a simple lowly replaceable part in a giant machine, hell no!
Get an f,ing grip on reality! People are working to survive and putting up with ***** middle managers that make you work harder for less while they get paid in nose wipes or bonuses. They pinch your ideas, they mess with your heads, they screw moral and use warfare to get ordinary people to bust their nuts for a chance to come in tomorrow. After all that you want respect? It amazes me how many times companies break employer contracts yout when the employer does its a big deal.
So where is all that unpaid overtime you owe me? huh? The one line in the contract you signed with me? Where the frig is it?
2 weeks? pfft!
Screw you! - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -5/+26Non disclosure is a strange concept. Businesses shouldn't be the size to where they need to actively police and protect their ideas. This only fuels greed and hatred. This the the way to the dark side.
- undervalued, on 07/07/2009, -2/+23Size leads to fear, fear leads to non-disclosure, non-disclosure leads to suffering.....
- Black6x, on 07/07/2009, -0/+21I can understand non-competes when it comes to trade secrets, but some of them are ridiculous. There are contracts that try to stipulate that you can't work for a competitor in a field related to what you did (e.g. you can't go and be a network manager for a competitors company), which would completely handcuff you if that was your specialty/field of study.
- undercoverDrunk, on 07/07/2009, -1/+21The best or only raise you get is working for a new company. Job hopping ftw.
/rich idiot (but rich) - Kyrgizion, on 07/07/2009, -0/+20Not just in America.
The media here in Europe are rife with stories about employers chiding their wageslaves for daring to crawl out of their ant colony. ***** that. They better learn to live with non-loyal workers if their own loyalty never reaches farther than minimum wage for as long as they can force it on you. - angelusone, on 07/07/2009, -0/+18My girlfriend was let go with no notice, but if she was to leave, she is expected to give two weeks notice.
On top of that her daycare lady is now suing her for not giving a two week notice. - acknotSW, on 07/07/2009, -0/+18I had a similar thing happen to me a few years ago during the last downturn. All I can say is, get the checks, get the checks, get the checks until they vanish. It could take longer than you think to find that next job and every cent matters until you feel secure again. Good luck man.
- altgeeky1, on 07/07/2009, -1/+19The law ALREADY protects IP under trade secrets laws; there is no excuse for contracts which require you to CHANGE YOUR TRADE (or not work) for 6-18 months after you leave a company.
Non-competes are just one more weapon against the middle class. They're not used against CEOs with paid-to-fail clauses in their contracts, just regular folk. - hiphoc, on 07/07/2009, -0/+17Funny thing is that when your company fires you without notice, that seems to be ok.
- slantyeyed, on 07/07/2009, -0/+16if a company can't give 2 weeks notice for a lay off, then why should we?
- inactive, on 07/07/2009, -0/+15It would be better if companies would give staff more benefits that don't interfere with sales, in example i will shed light on whats happening at my workplace.
When i started the job i discovered that waste food was being thrown out all the time, stuff that had past its sell by date but was edible for a week more usually, things like bread i could freeze, ham, cheese, all stuff i could do with to tide me over and save money, as a student working minimum wage and renting, and during a recession, many would understand, and for a while it slid by.
For reasons unknown my manager put up a notice, waste must not be taken or eaten by staff, everything must be paid for blah blah, the reason escapes me as the things would only go in the bin and rot, and also it wasn't like people filled binbags full of waste food and took them, it was a pizza here, a loaf of bread there, we never stole it, just ran all the out of date things through as waste an d picked a few things we could do with as it would go in a bin anyway.
The next step was horrifying, the staff were barred from wasting off anything, it was all to be put in bags and wasted off by managers only, which meant we couldn't take anything and we respected not stealing (i can't speak for all as i don't doubt staff steal on occasion) so no one would take the waste as if it isn't wasted it tallies up as missing when the stock is audited and tallied with the sales and waste transactions.
What happens now is probably the worst thing, no doubt people at work have now started stealing in retaliation to the waste policy, i have noted that staff searches are becoming more frequent to ensure that we do not take waste and we must have receipts on us for everything we leave the shop with, so i now just steal the things i want, put them in a bag, leave the shop and hide it all nearby, for retrieval on my way home, as i work in strange hours at a 24 hour place, the shift is not seen over by a manager so all that use this method get away with it, still i am saddened that this has happened and the staff are bitter now, this is a warning to all employers, give your workers perks that don't have any effect on sales or they will piss on your profit margins. - ProjectGSX, on 07/07/2009, -0/+14Generally speaking, companies dont care about their employees anymore. There is no loyalty left. There is no "retiring with the company" anymore. The dream of working for a company for your entire career is a relic of days past. So there is no longer a reason for employees to be loyal anymore either. I know my company will toss me out on my ear as soon as the stock dips, if they think it will make the investors happy.
- Elranzer, on 07/07/2009, -0/+14No no no. You're supposed to be nice to your employer, but he doesn't have to be nice to you.
"Yes, master." - bubba9999, on 07/07/2009, -1/+14I would guess it was for liability reasons. All it takes is for you to get sick once after snagging something and sue them for allowing you to do it.
- KenSPT, on 07/07/2009, -1/+13I work for a small software company; the company is comprised of 15 people.
I enjoy who I work with, and took the job because I saw potential in the company, and at my current age (26) I thought it would be nice to be on the ground floor for something that I felt had the potential to grow.
My bosses treat me well, I'm making good money, I can dress casually (wearing jeans and a T-Shirt as I type this), and I have the autonomy to essentially come and go as I please as long as my work gets done. In comparison to alot of my friends, and others out there, I've got it pretty good.
Sadly however, since I work for a small business I wouldn't say I have "job security". We've had layoffs over the last few months, and have had to cut the hours of some of our hourly employees. I'm well aware that one or two months of slow sales can, and likely will, put us in a deep hole.
It's for that reason that, despite my enjoyment of what I do, I regularly look for another, more secure, position; and if I find one, and they needed me to start right away, I would have no qualms about quitting my current gig on Monday and starting the new one on Tuesday.
Yes, it's not proper "business tact", but in this world you need to look out for yourself. Any company that potentially wants to hire me for a certain date can probably find 50 people to fill that position in the event I can't work within their calendar, especially in this economy.
Sometimes not giving notice isn't because you want to "stick it to the man", alot of times it's because you have no other options, and potentially burning a bridge is collateral damage you need to inflict in order to better your current situation. - dremspider, on 07/07/2009, -0/+11This happened to my old job. The company started rolling off contractors first (I was an employee so my type had yet to be effected). The company then decided to cut overtime pay from employees (in a job where 50+ hours was the norm). To make matter worst, the contract we were on was ending relatively soon. Of course people started getting worried about what was going on, and with this economy you would rather start lining something else up before you lose your job then after you lose your job. So.. people started looking and jumping ship to other companies (including me), which is now severely hurting the company at a crucial time.
I guess that this is an important lesson. Don't start cutting benefits unless you can start cutting people, b/c when the benefits are gone, people will start jumping mostly because they are worried that something is going on with your company and they may be without a job soon. - inactive, on 07/07/2009, -1/+12If companies want to protect secrets then they should protect the workers that hold those secrets, you cannot say to someone who has learned a profession to a degree that is what they are best at and probably the only thing they can do well, then tell them if they leave they can't work anywhere else involving that area, and the same thing if they get fired, or *let go*, its ***** retarded and i am glad no one really follows that rule.
***** employers-a message to you.
As Ye Sow, So Shall Ye Reap - DaDrake, on 07/07/2009, -2/+13No it is common sense with most businesses. Lets say you make drugs. Well, you can't have new employees read up on years of research, so they can do their job, only to turn around and be hired by a competitor... who doesn't want to pay for the research.
Or you can be working in a marketing/accounting department... join a competitor, and now the competitor knows the business strategy of the corporation. Perhaps, is a telecommunication company. Now company X knows company Y is expanding into a new area... but knowing this, company X no longer wants to enter that area (two competitors = no profit). So then, the company doesn't get screwed... just the people who now have a monopoly to choose from.
I could literally go on for hours. - darkened, on 07/07/2009, -0/+11My guess is you've never had a job position that was actually important to a company. Once a company reaches a medium size they only care about mediocrity and generally any person that wishes to excel beyond that is met with harsh resistance and criticism. Up to the point where you can eventually be ostracized for wanting to not accept mediocrity.
- Thepirateking, on 07/07/2009, -1/+11And get the pay of one. And miss out on some of the best parts of having a new Daughter around. You might not be concerned about losing your job today, but tomorrow, or next week, or next month when your boss needs to let someone go and your name happens to come up, what will you have? Missed out on your family, missed out on your free time, missed out on doing the things you want to do.
Living to work means that work is your life, and you have to give up other things to keep your job. - deathandtaverns, on 07/07/2009, -0/+10they give us money, we should be grateful no matter how they treat us. If we don't do what's best for the company like work extra hours for free and take cuts in our benefits because what is good for the company is good for us. At least that's how the owner of my former employer felt.
- Divals, on 07/07/2009, -0/+10Nasty fat CEOses. We hates them, my precious!
- bigpappapunk, on 07/07/2009, -1/+11Yet it's hard for them to understand our anger. When a companies greed shadows that of it's employees, those who make the company, they're simply rotting the very foundation their built on.
- danimal1960, on 07/07/2009, -0/+10"become valuable to the company"? I worked as a field tech for 3 years and pretty good at it...at least that's what my idiot boss kept telling me. There times when I'd actually have to go in to FIX issues that my idiot newbie co-workers had left when they'd thought they'd 'resolved' the issues.
So who was first to get laid off when push came to shove? The idiot whose mess I had to clean up? Nope. ME.
Near as I can figure, I was making more that these idiot co-workers, so I got cut first.
So please, don't tell me about being 'valuable to the company. The'll keep on a low paid idiot before they hold onto a good, solid professional ANY DAY.
Hey, maybe socialism IS the way to go--Capitalism doesn't seem to be working!!!!
Dan--out of work for 4 months now and COUNTING. - Elranzer, on 07/07/2009, -0/+101. Export manufacturing to China
2. Export service jobs to India
Both have plateaued in short-term gains (which is what they always were about). Never mind the two practices are destroying America, they wanted the extra pennies to pocket. Now the extra has tapered off, and they're ready for the third tactic:
3. Employment Terrorism
It basically works like this:
- Do not ask for a raise.
- Do not ask for a promotion.
- Don't bother looking for a better job.
- Always remember there's someone who wants your job and willing to work for less.
This manifesto has scared the American worker to agreeing into working for ***** wages and no benefits, so the upper management swine can line their pockets with a little more gold while further destroying America. They don't care.
It's basically modern-day serfdom. - jeffwmartin, on 07/07/2009, -1/+11I can see them not giving notice, but you should have had at least 2 weeks' severance pay.
- monodelasno, on 07/07/2009, -6/+15So companies shouldn't protect their ip?
You'll go far in the world of business. - awfl, on 07/07/2009, -0/+9That is exactly why they are even more into setting up shop on the college campus and harvesting recent college grads; they are inexperienced and idealistic in many ways, but especially the realities of the work world and the true expense of living. And it doesn't hurt to legally capture any potentially novel ideas as their intellectual property as well.
- undercoverDrunk, on 07/07/2009, -1/+9Because a non-disclosure agreement would protect your research. Outside consultant? Black Market? Corporate Espionage? Soooo many ways around it. Plus, even if caught you have to enforce it by court order. So best case scenario it protects one large company against another, kinda. Well not really.
Perhaps it is a way to force employee retention. Perhaps it just makes the CIO feel better. Either way its pretty much useless. - undervalued, on 07/07/2009, -1/+9You can take this job and fill it!
- blakeage, on 07/07/2009, -0/+7If they're like me, it's because they're pissed off because the company wants them to work their job and someone else's. Ultimately it takes you to the breaking point, and you give up and say f**k it. I'm out of here.
- cmackattack, on 07/07/2009, -2/+9***** the corporatist!
http://thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=2
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FA50FBC214 ... - phogasmic, on 07/07/2009, -0/+7If your employer has been good to you and your co workers then you should be good to them. If they haven't then I say f*** the two week and the non compete.
- fucknuggets, on 07/07/2009, -0/+7go die in a fire you spaming piece of *****.
- howea, on 07/07/2009, -0/+6So if you have a speciality and you leave a job, you arent allowed to work on that speciality anywhere else?
How about executives? They seem to move jobs across related companies every couple years and hardly ever get sued by previous employers. - danimal1960, on 07/07/2009, -1/+7Stop drinking the koolaid, dude. I created value for my employer at my last job--I cleaned up my co-workers F-UPs--and yet I was first to be laid off.
That may have worked in the 70's, 80's or 90's, but it don't mean diddly today. - DrDragun, on 07/07/2009, -1/+7Well you might not be a total ***** (most people aren't) but I bet if 2 weeks notice was the custom then there would be maybe 1 person out of 20 doing some monkeywrenching/sabotage/stealing company property their last 2 weeks.
- ChiaGod, on 07/07/2009, -0/+6Most companies will simply immediately discharge (fire) anybody who puts in notice.
A company I had poured my heart in from ground zero (I was there from when they were just starting off with 20 employees and < 1000 customers to thousands of employees, >1/4 Million Customers) got new management and decided it was time to encourage it's senior staff to quit (including writing us up for things we didn't do, limiting benefits, etc). The last straw was when I was written up for being late on a day I was 10 minutes early and arrived *before* the boss!
Now I knew the labor laws in my state, so I sent a polite email to management (and cc'd myself) announcing my resignation effective the end of the year (1.5 months away).
So as was policy I was "fired" on the spot. Since I had proof that I had given notice first, I received unemployment benefits all through Christmas up to the next job I had lined up (at a much better company) in January.
Best Christmas EVER! -
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