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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Yahoo! shaken up = o!hayo?
- schroduggity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8yahoo is the new AOL.
- aahpandasrun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yahoo is out of touch, and is irrelevant compared to the superior alternatives.
- Xageroth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5What does "growing strife" mean? For some reason I just imagined a nerf war that got way out of hand.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Yes they are out of touch, but not irrelevant and hopefully shaking things up will do them good. Personally I've never been a fan of Yahoo or visited their site for anything really, but at the same time I have nothing against them. They just haven't offered anything I find particularly compelling.
But if they can offer their competitors more of a challenge then I'm all for some healthy competition in search, news, mail, and whatever else they're into. Let's see some 50-100GB hybrid webmail and general storage (like iDisk) accounts in the next 5 years. - enicholas, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@Xageroth: I'm an ex-Yahoo -- I left about five months ago after becoming frustrated with incredibly poor management. So many people were leaving that my going-away lunch was actually for three people who were all leaving within a week of each other (just in my group!). Our entire user experience department had quit about two weeks before that.
I told a friend of mine that I was leaving, and his reaction was "Ah, so the mass exodus continues." He himself quit a couple of months later. My boss at the time commented that if he was still working there in a year, he was going to kill himself.
I had been with Yahoo! for eight years by this point and had loved most of my time there, so it took an awful lot of screwups to convince me to finally throw in the towel. But I cannot in any way describe how awful the mismanagement of the past two years (at least within my division) was. I hope that they manage to get their act together -- there are a lot of smart people at Yahoo!, and I have a lot of good memories from it. I just wish my memories weren't all overshadowed by all the crap that happened towards the end. - elk1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The problem is that yahoo has reasonable services, but take no effort be the best at anything they do. they are very reactionary and seem to only improve their products after they have been almost obsoleted by their competitors. They did this with email, maps, and even their search function. I signed up for their music service which has such potential, but the software for it is utter crap and to add insult to injury they want to charge charge extra for a premium player. I had hoped i could finally keep up with music and not have to steal it or go broke, but they didnt want to make it easy on me.
- diqq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3But Yahoo! Japan is still going strong here.
I think it becase Yahoo! Japan offers the best acution site and there is no Ebay. They also is good source of news. But other than that I use Google. - RamanujanRedux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If it weren't for Yahoo Sports and their easy-pick Fantasy Sports, there would probably be no reason to go there. It's the only thing that keeps me there.
- winkydo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3yes they are out of touch, but the services they have purchased over the last year continue to keep them on top of web service offerings. they got nothing on google or the other web 2.0 services, but they still have flickr, music, and a very decent news site.
didn't they buy pixelcore not to long ago? - b_timmins, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yes, Yahoo's new email client is really good, much better than Gmail. Mainly because you don't have to use those little radio buttons to select stuff you can CTRL or SHIFT CLICK through your mail box and Zap all of the Junk with a single OK. And you can scroll through the whole mailbox, none of this paging required by gmail.
Having said that their Junk mail filter junks way too much good stuff, much more than gmail.
(I know this because all of my mail autoforwards from my 'real' account to both :-) ) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm sorry, but once you become accustomed to Google's minimalistic, clean interface (for search) NONE of the others every get a look in any more. If I want to visit a ***** looking site cluttered with crap I'm NEVER going to use, I'll visit myspace!
- youdlike2know, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4yahoo's new email > gmail
everything else, google > yahoo - diqq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2same
- wuori, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3http://search.yahoo.com/ (should be minimalistic enough).
- diqq, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, it looks better than Google Web Toolkit.
http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/
Qooxdoo looks very promising too. try their demo.
http://qooxdoo.org/ - bdickason, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sad that it took an entire day for this story to hit the frontpage. It was posted immediately by a number of people and just sat in limbo for a good 24 hours before even being noticed. What happened to Digg the news breaker?!
- Grassmunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, all i hope is i that they got rid the woman incharge of marketting, she was on some incharge of some funraising and only cared that yahoo be plastered everywhere and had no regard for the charity. She's the reason i hate yahoo, at that point i saw that it went from a fun cool web company to a big corporate machine only concerned about profits. I still use the webmail cause its good but otherwise nothin.
- prot0col, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Do you need a list? Google is great for search and mail, that is it. They have some fun toys but nothing I use for more than 15 minutes, on the other hand Yahoo! provides a lot more options and services (out of beta too!)....although they need some help too.
- rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yahoo Mail looks great but is too heavy..it usually makes me stare for 10+ seconds at that bouncing guy "Yahoo is loading your mailbox", and then once it's loaded the navigation can also get quite slow.
GMail OTOH might be kinda ugly (although that can be fixed with some browsing at userstyles.org) but is much snappier. At least here in Norway. And when it comes to message search, it's unbeatable, extremely fast. - biggbrother, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I used to use Yahoo for everything.
Then they screwed up the flight reservations, it became very inconvenient. For example, every time I clicked on a cheap flight, it was magically sold out. Someone was asleep at the switch. Now I use Expedia for everything.
I used it for maps. Google passed them up and they seem to care less.
I used them for search. A couple years ago I got frustrated with all the ads and no real content. I switched to Google.
I listened to yahoo radio. I no longer use IE, and it's a huge unnecessary hassle to have to change browsers if I'm even using Windows. Moreover, there's absolutely no reason for an IE only policy, just that it makes life easier for some of their employees.
I have a mail account but never check it anymore because it is slow and constantly gives a login required message, and their help desk people just insist it is the fault of the user.
I use Linux a lot nowdays, and have come to realize that, for no particularly good reason, their site is very unfriendly to non-Windows users. This is infuriating given that much of their site is run using open source software. Google and most other service providers work perfectly with Linux.
I don't need Yahoo, and I get the impression that there is no interest in providing web portal services, starting with the guy at the top. Mr. Semel has no business running the company if he doesn't want to get involved with most areas of the business. - erikuma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree! :D
But Yahoo has been doing wrong since 2-3 years ago, when they're late responding to web 2.0 boom and always reactively keeping up with Google. - prot0col, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Time for a new CEO. bye Terry
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The first time I surfed the web I only knew about webcrawler, and went from there. when google became popular I switched and never looked back. search > any site directory i've yet to encounter.
- AlbinoRaven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It hasn't hurt the stock price any. Plus from what the analysts mentioned it has been due for a culling for a while. Far too heavy on management without enough techies to build new products to deliver.
The top poster mentioned something similar, their portal has been copied, redone, reused, overdone, over and over again. However the portal is what practically started it all right after the Netscape kid. I like the finance section though, lots of good tools. - etnu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Search, while an important aspect of Yahoo!'s strategy, is far from the company's biggest unit. Yahoo's strengths have always been in their other consumer facing sites. They missed the boat big time on search, and have been playing catch-up ever since, but it's foolish to deride their efforts in other areas.
Honestly, Google is only really beating Yahoo in 5 areas where they compete:
- Search (Google has a better product, more users, more advertisers)
- Publisher Network (Google has a better product, more users, more advertisers)
- Maps / local (Google has a better product, but not as many users. Neither is doing much by way of ads here)
- Gmail (Google has a better product, but isn't even in the same ballpark when it comes to user base. Yahoo mail is by far the most popular mail service out there).
- Video (Google owns YouTube)
In other areas where they compete, Yahoo wins hands down, or else there's a 3rd party that blows them both away.
Yahoo's biggest problem, if you ask me, is that they can't figure out if they want to be a content publisher (e.g. CNET, weblogsinc, etc.) or a technology company. They've settled somewhere in the middle. The result is that half of the Yahoo site is just serving ads for the other half.
This reorganization is almost entirely superficial. It might cause some consolidation between the redundancies (photos + flickr working together, my web 2.0 + del.icio.us + bookmarks working together, etc.) but beyond that I don't think it's going to solve the company's fundamental problems, namely that they have the classic "Too many chiefs, not enough Braves" problem. Companies with 12,000 employees don't need 8 levels of management. - cvelusc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Agree! Yahoo almost had a convert to using their personalized homepage. But, after configuration, there is no way I am taking an add-laced Yahoo homepage over Google.
- prot0col, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The problem with Yahoo! is that the engineers are overworked and they need more people for the amount of projects. That is the issue that Terry Semel needs to understand. They need engineers for maintenance and minor updates but once a product is out of beta the engineers are off on another project. No one at Yahoo! is going to loose their jobs during this restructure, they are under staffed as is.
- ddyzerod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Only thing I used yahoo for was the TV listings... The new changes are terrible.
- VindictivePantz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If Yahoo! can focus on making sure that their various cross-authenticate more easily, and present a more consistent look, feel, and overall usability experience across each service, they would have the complete package.
They have all the right parts and the right services - it just doesn't gel 100% yet. - ridiculous3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yahoo has some great features. I visit their finance section daily and I love Site Explorer, but oh my have they screwed up Overture, which should be their cash cow. One example is their change in character limits which was scheduled to take place at the beginning of the 2006 and still has not been fully implemented. If you conduct a Yahoo search, the paid links on the top of the page often still include the old 190 character ads. However, if you go over to the links on the right hand of the page, the are limited to 70 characters, and the some of the old 190 characters ads are truncated in some odd places. If you are an advertiser, and you were on the ball and reduced all your ads to 70 characters as Yahoo suggested (and it is my fellow evil capitalistic pig advertisers that are responsible for much of the best content on the web), and you are at the top of the page, you may well be at a disadvantage versus an 190 character ad. However, due to the dynamic nature of bidding and page placements, it is difficult to guarantee that a top bid will keep you on the top of the page.
More recently, Yahoo has really screwed up the launch of their Panama platform (which is basically just letting them try to catch up to features that Google already offers). Yahoo is turning off features on their old platform, before they are getting old customers up on Panama. It is very difficult to manage bids now, and when an advertiser will be upgraded to the new platform is almost random.
Geez, if they are screwing up their cash cow ... - freff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I still use yahoo as my home page. I'm not even really sure why anymore, since I use Opera, and I take advantage of the feature that lets you start browsing wherever you left off, so I don't even see my homepage very often. Other than that and mail, I never visit yahoo anymore.
- D4rklight, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2i like yahoo since i found out about yui
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/ - pw1388, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I always used yahoo for email and news but for web searches google ftw!
- junk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think Yahoo does a great job with their Developer network. I've used their YUI CSS Grids in a few projects to teach new guys and old dogs the ropes of CSS layouts. But I am constantly taken aback when I venture into alot of their other properties, it's just a mess. I hope they get their act together, there is alot of talent there and it sucks to see it go to waste.
- o2o2o2o2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This is why I have no desire to work in the tech industry anymore. Yahoo shakeup is just a headline, but it affects real people's lives when they loose thier jobs.
- scottschiller, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Only if and when they start shipping mass amounts of CDs and adding "You've got mail" sounds to their web mail, I might agree with you. ;)
(Disc: I work there, and I haven't seen any of either!) - deathw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@nofxjunkee
i remember when yahoo was just a twinkle in the sky, i used they probably 5 times since the start of them, and to be honest i've been a google person. google doesnt provide me with everything (even though it does most of the time) i do go to other engines and other sources, just yahoo isn't one of them like you put. - swoopdog, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1what cant google provide the average user?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0yahoo has to many up and coming search engines like http://www.searchjerk.com that has better results.
- b_timmins, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Well he's more interesting (today he's a boxer for some reason) than the two different loading messages I get from gmail. And in a totally unscientific test just now yahoo mail took 17secs (and one extra click) while gmail took 35.
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