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- inactive, on 03/04/2009, -42/+231Try working with a bunch of women in a professional environment and you will understand why they make less.
- BradBrown, on 03/06/2009, -11/+174Nothing, Chris Brown already told her twice.
- samard2002, on 03/06/2009, -10/+120This is not meant to be sarcastic.
Women hate the wage disparity until they are home with children, then they want their husband to be making more than working women AND men without families. The reason for the difference is simple yet unquantifiable -- men tend to be bread winners more than women and are often a safer bet when it comes to valuing their job and staying loyal to their current company.
Even in a situation where a mother works, she is still less likely to stay late and work weekends when the chips are down at the office. This makes her less valuable to an employer -- but an awesome, wonderful and invaluable member of society. We just can't rationalize away all aspects of humanity. Sorry. - TevinC, on 03/06/2009, -6/+101The concept is ridiculous. If you could pay women less for the same job as a man then women would have all the jobs.
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -8/+89Does this graph take into account things like years of experience, rank, etc? If not, then it's *****.
- ryan83189, on 03/05/2009, -17/+97Postal working women make 4 percent more than men? Sexist! Equal pay for equal work! Fellas we keep being put down by this glass ceiling after how many years of being told we are "created equal". ***** I won't stand for it, every woman in the post office are sexist pigs. It's a damn shame something like this happens in the 21st century, but with women like that holding us down how will we progress as a society?
- jonathono2000, on 03/06/2009, -8/+76If I gotta pay for dinner I better be ***** making more money. Common sense.
- JeffreyRS, on 03/06/2009, -13/+76Women make less than men per month because, at least to a leading sociologist Margaret DeVault in her critically acclaimed book Feeding the Family, THEY WORK LESS HOURS THAN MEN. I know it's harsh, but if you clock less hours, you will not earn as much money (granted, there are reasons such as family and children and school ad infinitum why they work less hours). I hope that clears it up.
Check it out
http://www.amazon.com/Feeding-Family-Organization- ... - fluidfoundation, on 03/05/2009, -12/+74Ah-*****-men, brother.
- hypocriticizer, on 03/06/2009, -8/+52Because they can have multiple orgasms.
- SillyRabbits, on 03/06/2009, -8/+52There's a very simple explanation. The male pay scale gets skewed higher because there are some very high-work load / high-stress positions that happen to pay much better. You will almost always find men in those positions. You will rarely find women that will put in 80+ hour weeks, week after week, and essentially devote their waking hours to a company. Women will come up with rationalization why they don't want to spend that much time at a job, which is fine, but that doesn't change the fact that those positions still exist. While they need to leave early to catch their kids piano performance, or stay home with a sick child, or go on a weekend vacation with their boyfriend/husband, there's always something. Again, that's fine. But there are always positions where a person is vital to a program or project and needs to essentially be a slave to the workplace. You pay those people well to compensate them for that devotion. When you need a workaholic that's going to devote his life to a company, well, it's likely a man that's willing to do it.
When you bring women into it, they start talking about flex-time, vacation time, working from home, maternity leave. How is a company supposed to get anything done when the job is 3rd or 4th or 5th most important thing in an employee's life? - inactive, on 03/05/2009, -2/+45It does not take those things into consideration. A large part of the explanation for the wage gap is the high likelihood that women will take time out of the workforce to raise children which interrupts their climb up the ladder and accrual of experience. It is difficult to take these things into consideration when compiling data from all sectors since some jobs are more sensitive to a 5-10 yr gap in work history than others and this can be different for different parts of the country depending on the labor market. Accounting for all of these things in all jobs would be incredibly time consuming. The amount of econometric analysis required makes it virtually impossible.
- duckless2nd, on 03/06/2009, -1/+38wait until you get married... it will cost you WAY more than 20% of your salary!
- tconnect80, on 03/06/2009, -6/+42Because them and children get to leave sinking boats first.
-Bill Burr - duckless2nd, on 03/06/2009, -5/+40Gotta love it when graphs like these are build by people who don't understand economics... think of salary as having two components: investment & direct payment for labor. Statistically women have a higher probability of leaving the workplace (personal choices) so firms reduce the "investment" portion accordingly to compensate for the additional risk of hiring and investing (training and turnover add to the costs). Easy math draws the picture that women, in general terms, are more costly and riskier than male hires. If you want equality, then blame the women who work for a while then leave and the statistical differences will become negligible.
- theartfuldodgr, on 03/06/2009, -1/+35Speaking of sexism, I work in an office of predominately females, 11 females and 5 males, and sometimes I just want to rip my eyeballs out because all the women do is complain about men. They complain how stupid men are and how men can't do anything right. They get almost nothing accomplished in an 8 hour workday except to complain about men and their husbands. Then when salary review comes up and one of the guys in the office gets a raise, they scream its because hes a MAN yet seem to overlook the fact that he scored over double the amount of new clients than all of them combined.
- larsalan, on 03/04/2009, -1/+34Pharmacists make more $ in each week than doctors or lawyers?
- killrrabit, on 03/06/2009, -1/+31I am married. I had way more boob access when we were dating!
- killrrabit, on 03/06/2009, -10/+39I'd give up 20% of my salary to have unlimited access to a sweet set of boobs.
- mixsense, on 03/06/2009, -9/+36It's a well known scientific fact that a womans bitch levels (hormone *****) increase proportionally to the number of other women in close proximity. Science lol.
- willrs, on 03/06/2009, -11/+37because we've all worked with women in a professional environment and we know how hard it is to work with a boner.
- Gizza, on 03/06/2009, -8/+34Because he tells the truth. Have you ever worked in such an environment. They spend more time bitching at each other and doing all the usual office politics crap than they do on actual work.
- inactive, on 03/04/2009, -0/+25yes, initially, but they dont have the same oppurtunities for vertical movement. Doctors dont make six figures out of college, neither do lawyers, pharmacists do.
- IllBeBack, on 03/06/2009, -2/+25You win the Irrelevant Anecdote of the Year award.
- Gizza, on 03/06/2009, -0/+21Just because they have the same job description doesn't mean they are doing the same job, nor working the same hours, or with the same workload.
- DouglasQ, on 03/06/2009, -2/+22I am English, white and male. I have a historical guilt trinity, so these statistics really upset me.
- wh3873, on 03/06/2009, -2/+22So your one example makes up a statistically significant group? If only there was a phrase for evidence based solely on personal experience that has little merit in a discussion of large groups of people.
- inactive, on 03/06/2009, -5/+25I would like to see this same chart.. based on cup size
- TheDHC, on 03/06/2009, -2/+22No one has left a review on this "critically acclaimed book" that was published in 1994
- kernel16, on 03/06/2009, -5/+24Your father was a loser.
- fantasyflamz, on 03/06/2009, -3/+22I completely agree with you in that women are often VERY sexist themselves too. As a female, I am completely sick and tired of feeling ashamed for my fellow gender when women act like that. When they complain how men are 'stupid', 'forgetful', etc it's so very frustrating and irritating because they are being so contradictory themselves (and the worst part is that they don't acknowledge this at all and don't see it as sexism in any way when you point it out - which I have). It would be great if everyone treated each other fairly, but both sides are lacking here, not just men, and not just women.
- scalded, on 03/06/2009, -5/+23"Not all of us women are a bunch of unprofessional emotionally volatile"
Funny that you should be the first one to mention that. - ell0bo, on 03/06/2009, -8/+26well that... and when you date one you still have to pay for everything, but damned if any act like a lady anymore. It's just society's way of making sure men are compensated for the BS.
- TexMexRex, on 03/06/2009, -3/+20Even the first paragraph says it: "and part of the gap can be attributed to men having more years of experience and logging more hours." Wait, your not compairing people with the same level of experiance? And men put in more hours on average?
- BlackJackJester, on 03/06/2009, -2/+19I'm a white English male born into a middle class family. You think I have it easy? I have to fight tooth and nail to get noticed in a world where "minority rights" let army's of underskilled people get positions in schools and jobs that I am better suited for. *****, in silicon valley, I am the minority, but the laws make it easier for the minority majority to get preference.
There shouldn't be an "ethnicity" or "gender" field in applications, because it shouldn't matter. - IndianXC, on 03/06/2009, -3/+19Thank you
- SteaminTmann, on 03/06/2009, -17/+33What do you tell a girl with two black eyes?
- inactive, on 03/06/2009, -3/+19yes it did.
- burrgrinder, on 03/06/2009, -0/+15Industry, position, and personal choices are important factors as well. It's really so complicated that a valid comparison at a general level would be impossible. My wife is a geologist, she works in environmental geology because that's where she thinks helps most in the world, which pays roughly half that of the same job at an oil company. She's dragging down women's average by choice.
Also, saying female "doctors" or "lawyers" make less doesn't really mean anything, since the positions in those industries have a great variance in pay, and where you get your education absolutely does matter. A trial lawyer earns different pay than a patent lawyer. A lawyer than graduate from Yale earns more than the lawyer that went to their state university.
I have female friends from college who were in my degree program, earned equivalent grades, graduated the same time as me, and earn more than I do because of their geographical location. My choice in where I want to live negatively affects my salary.
Without all of these data points, there are too many "what if" factors at play. - bonerfide, on 03/06/2009, -5/+20The problem is that God forbid a man happens to get more $ because he is doing a better job and a woman finds out!
- inactive, on 03/05/2009, -0/+14On average, yes Pharmacists do pretty well. They do require advanced schooling though and the time spent in order to acquire that education justifies a higher salary. Their earnings fluctuate very little over the course of their career though. A doctor with 15 years of experience will earn far more than a pharmacist will. IIRC, doctors and lawyers usually retire earlier than pharmacists as well so the average salary is affected by that as well.
- inactive, on 03/06/2009, -4/+18this whole women in the kitchen argument is absurd because we all know nowadays women can't ***** cook.
- Stochio, on 03/06/2009, -4/+18Employee number #1 is a fine employee in every way. Employee #1 has no special options.
Employee number #2 is the same as #1 in all ways ever possible. Except employee #2 may leave for a few months. You must, by law, grant #2 the right but not the obligation to return at his discretion.
Do you grant #2 this option for free or do you expect compensation in return for the granting of this embedded option? - qTrainer, on 03/06/2009, -0/+14Maybe the most real world observation of this entire thread!
- sqrt2, on 03/06/2009, -0/+13There's two ways to ways to define the wage gap. There are very hard working women, working the same amount or more hours than their male coworkers and still getting less. This is REAL wage discrimination. Some women are paid less per hour for the same work. It's a problem, and it deserves to be addressed.
However, when you average everyone together women do work less because the way our society has chosen to divide labor is that the man works more and the woman takes on more responsibilities involved in raising the family. This is a culturally specific preference, and it's not the same way things are done everywhere. And this method has actually been in decline for a few generations now. But there will always be the biological reality that for the human race to survive some women will need to take some time out of their work schedule to have children. Men simply cannot fulfill this function, and so we end up working more to cover the difference. This is the nature of our society on the large scale, on a personal level there are still injustices with differences in pay. - Hillsfar, on 03/05/2009, -0/+13Pharmacists typically work for a chain - indepenent pharmacists are a dying breed, especially because they don't have the buying power of a chain, and the attendant pricing power of a chain.
- modix, on 03/06/2009, -0/+12That's pure choice. They get paid the same price for what they do. Women tend to go into Pediatrics, Gyn, and Internal Medicine. The pay there is substatially less that other doctors. Women doctors are also more likely to do job sharing and working "half" a job, which to be honest is still putting in more hours then most people. The amount they get paid for procedures is set in stone by most HMOs, so you can't chalk that one up to discrimination.
- Uriah, on 03/06/2009, -2/+14Ahhh, here we go, I found your problem...
"...I read that when I was earning a Women's Studies degree..."
You should have been studying economics. - N0DIGGITY, on 03/06/2009, -0/+11I don't feel sorry that women make less than men on average. It is a fact as shown in statistics above that men both work more hours and have more desire to make higher salaries than women on average. It only makes sense that their pay will then be higher. And unless women stop wanting us to pay more I don't feel too bad.
The women that do strive for high power jobs do just as well as the men. I would have no problem hiring a woman for a executive job nor working under one's authority. It's just the average women doesn't try for that. - hairysandwich, on 03/06/2009, -0/+11No it's for men and women working in the same field. Same field does not equal same job. If it's not a
exact job <--> exact job comparison then it's not much good, is it? Mostly this article is inflammatory and nothing else. RTFA, also you should read SillyRabbits post again, it's pretty spot on. -
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