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- badwithcomputer, on 10/11/2008, -7/+250Nice Guy Eddie: C'mon, throw in a buck!
Mr. Pink: Uh-uh, I don't tip.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't tip?
Mr. Pink: Nah, I don't believe in it.
Nice Guy Eddie: You don't believe in tipping?
Mr. Blue: You know what these chicks make? They make *****.
Mr. Pink: Don't give me that. She don't make enough money that she can quit.
Nice Guy Eddie: I don't even know a ***** Jew who'd have the balls to say that. Let me get this straight: you don't ever tip?
Mr. Pink: I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
Mr. Blue: Hey, our girl was nice.
Mr. Pink: She was okay. She wasn't anything special.
Mr. Blue: What's special? Take you in the back and suck your dick?
Nice Guy Eddie: I'd go over twelve percent for that. - jggube, on 10/11/2008, -8/+188I would rather the restaurant pay them a decent wage and pass that cost into my food, rather than always having to figure out how much I should tip.
It's a silly concept, if you really think about it. For example, if I ordered one $20.00 T-bone steak meal and a $5.00 beer, and the table across me with three people ordered three appetizers at $5.00 each and water for drinks... even though it takes more effort to serve them, I still end up paying a bigger tip. At the very least, I think basing tips on the percentage of the total cost of the meal is ridiculous. - edelay, on 10/11/2008, -6/+169You've just argued against the point you were trying to make. Instead just pay a fair wage and the problem is solved.
- algaeturd, on 10/12/2008, -6/+99The tip has been used as a weapon against the middle class ever since the corporations realized they could cut pay because of tips. And they're too frequently used as bargaining tools for hiring purposes.
It's just not what it's supposed to be. It's expected regardless of service or other conditions. Pizza delivery is especially tough to deal with sometimes. The pizza is 20 minutes late, gets there cold but the guy still scowls at anything less than 30%.
And you go to most places in Europe and they won't even accept tips so it's strange that it started out as a European tradition.
I earned my living from tips for 4 years as a bartender but it still seemed like such a game.
I tip well when it's warranted and I tip poorly when it's warranted. One thing is for sure: Tips will be on a DRAMATIC decrease in this new economy. Less people will be going out to eat or drink or depend on a service and when they do, the will be way, way less kind. I feel sorry for waiters and waitresses, bartenders and people who depend on them. - opticwind, on 10/12/2008, -1/+90Here in Japan, tipping isn't allowed and I'm sortof on the fence about it. Service here is, as a rule of thumb, ALWAYS cheerful and attentive. I don't know how they do it.
- JT114881, on 10/11/2008, -39/+107Many waitresses are paid below minimum wage, and count on their tips to make up for the rest. This is legal as long as the weekly tips bring them above minimum wage. No tips, no money. I experienced this as a pizza delivery guy, I was regularly disappointed when I didn't receive a tip, even though I had used MY gas (which was not reimbursed other than my normal $6/hr pay) for delivery service that my pizza shop provided for free. Needless to say that job was not a viable option when gas hit $4.00/gallon and more people started saying "Why waste my gas when I can waste someone else's?". Tipping is very important to servicemen that rely on it as a big hunk of their pay.
- Gutterpunk, on 10/12/2008, -1/+63Maybe they don't think that something is owed to them in order to do a good job?
North Americans' sense of entitlement is all screwed up. - Gutterpunk, on 10/12/2008, -6/+67@ mikesbaker : The price of a meal would be around the same thing if you count the tips.
Tips should be abolished. Most of Europe and Asia don't take tips, and I don't see their restaurants closing. - thegrantman, on 10/12/2008, -16/+74" We do not accept tips"
No,you just take them.
If you automatically include an 18% tip there is no incentive for good service.You have taken the customers right away to dispense with their money as they see fit.With no incentive, the tip can become a charge for no product or service.
If a tip is mandatory then stop calling it a tip and just raise the price of the meal. - col381, on 10/12/2008, -8/+65The whole 'tipping' thing is ridiculous, people should get paid a fair wage for a fair amount of work. On the same token people should be expected to pay a fair amount for a fair product/service.
Relying on the guilt of people to provide staff wages basically reduces staff to the status of "employed beggers". This is unfair, and wrong. Minimium wage should be just that : a WAGE, tips shouldn't be necessary - but if they are given it should not have to be 'relied upon'.
Also, as unfair as this system is to the staff, it is unfair to the customers - where will it end, should I start tipping the bank clerk, the guy in the 7/11, the man who mixes the paint in the hardware store? Why then should I be expected to fork out a buck everytime I want to buy a beer?- the bartender didn't make the beer, he just servered it to me. It's not exactly hard work opening a bottle, so why should I be expected to tip for the pleasure of someone doing their job? Also - since I am paying the resturant owners staff their wages, does that mean I get my food/drinks 18% cheaper? nope - it just means the owner gets to make more profits. - Murdats, on 10/12/2008, -6/+57so a faulty business model is my problem?
- nub4life, on 10/12/2008, -1/+49In Japan, there's no such thing in tipping. Everyone in the service industry honestly and truly believes that they are very lucky to have a paying job. If you leave a tip, they'll chase you down and give you your money back. That was my experience anyways. None of that "I deserve a tip for serving you" crap. More of a "I got a job that pays and I'm thankful for that."
If you don't like it, there'll be someone else out there who is willing to take your job for less than what you get paid.
That being said, I tip, but only because it's custom in Western society. - rolf, on 10/12/2008, -1/+45@mikesbaker,
*****. Most of Europe pays the waiters/waitresses fair wages and the prices is fairly cheap at restaurants and the service is good. Sometimes better than a lot of places here - I often come to a place in the states and the waiting staff is goofing off, slow and EXPECT their tip anyways no matter what. Certainly not everywhere, but in a good many places. All you leave at the end in Europe is change (an Euro) as "drinking money" because the 15% is already figured it.
You say the price would be too steep, but that makes no sense because the staff gets paid one way or another. Either through tips or built into the price.
As for it improving service, have not seen it one way or another. - CrazyChair, on 10/12/2008, -3/+45Just pay the servers a decent wage, and pass the costs onto the customer through pricing. It's called a tip for a reason.
I didn't find the service in the US any better than other countries, but I did find it a pain in the ass to have to carry change everywhere.
I was embarrassed when I went to Japan after that. I tried to tip a taxi driver and the guy was almost offended and wouldn't take it. - ligyron, on 10/12/2008, -1/+41http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFUDbOldMs
- franklymister, on 10/12/2008, -0/+37New York City taxicabs now have a touchscreen in the back seat that automatically calculates the tip up to 30% when the meter stops.
The drivers are always talking on the phone, argue with passengers when a route is suggested, drive like *****, and then glare (or even bitch) if you don't tip. If you pay cash, they'll often just take their own tip out of the change without asking.
Essentially, taxi drivers have taken the idea of a tip to mean "blackmail to keep the tippee from acting like a total ***** to you." - Chairboy, on 10/12/2008, -0/+36That's a backronym, and a pretty lame one at that.
From Wikipedia:
The word originates from the 16th century verb tip, which meant "to give, hand, pass" and "to tap", possibly being derived from the Low German word tippen, meaning "to tap." The modern German term for a tip is the unrelated Trinkgeld, literally "drink money." - jinnie, on 10/12/2008, -1/+37there are plenty of great places that don't take tips, and the workers are very nice and efficient because they are trained and paid to be so.
it is up to the employer to start paying them more.
christ, even fast food joints like in-and-out or chick-fil-a have great and friendly workers. a nice restaurant with $20 plate meals can give you a server who couldn't care less. i remember having a few friends who worked at in-and-out during high school, and they would say the better pay was certainly motivation.
point being... management and training and pay have everything to do with it. - freediverx, on 10/12/2008, -1/+34@mikesbaker That makes no sense. Theoretically, if you increased waiters' salaries to a reasonable amount, the total cost of the meal would merely increase to include the tip amount. The rest of the world doesn't rely on tipping, and yet I don't see a global collapse of the restaurant business.
The tipping system is also based on the assumption that giving patrons control over how much to tip encourages and rewards good service. But by that logic, the restaurant should also let customers determine the cost of the meal based on the quality of the food. Somehow I doubt restaurant owners would be eager to subject themselves to the same standard they enforce on their staff. - norman619, on 10/12/2008, -3/+36mike:
That's a piss poor excuse for tips. I have no problem picking up my Pizza. I actually do that instead of jacking up the price of my Pizza. The delivery driver is not MY employee and as such I don't feel I should be paying him. I order a Pizza that's what I should be paying for. Why don't they just increase the price of the pie by 15% instead? That would be WAY too easy I guess. - falser, on 10/12/2008, -5/+36"If you automatically include an 18% tip there is no incentive for good service. You have taken the customers right away to dispense with their money as they see fit."
This absolutely not true. The incentive to provide good service is so you don't get fired, and your company earns more business so you don't get laid off. If the customer gets bad service they will simply opt not to visit the establishment again, and tell their friends that you get bad service there. This is how it works in any other business.
And what if the service is great, but the food sucked or vice-versa? I don't ever get to decide where my tip goes. Just add the damn labor cost onto the bill, and I will simply decide if I ever dine there again. - Murdats, on 10/12/2008, -1/+30maybe not in americas weird economy, but the rest of the world manages it just fine.
- honeymustardn, on 10/12/2008, -2/+31Yeah, exactly... the price of eating out would "go up", but it would stay the same, because the money for tips is just going in the bill directly.
- norman619, on 10/12/2008, -5/+30No they should do their job regardless. Providing good service IS their job is it not? That IS what they were hired to do. Why not do away with the pretense of tipping and just raise the price of menu items 10% - 15%?
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -1/+23Nowadays most pizza places tack on a $2 "delivery fee". I'm sorry but that's the tip, since I rarely am ordering more than $15 worth of food... I let the driver keep the change, but I consider the delivery fee the main part of the tip. If the driver still feels screwed, he should take it up with his manager since as a customer, I assume the delivery fee goes to the delivery guy.
- Gutterpunk, on 10/12/2008, -2/+24@Mike : "there isn't a pizza place anywhere that can afford to pay drivers enough to make it worth their time without tips"
Dude, try to get out of your house a little. - FishThePirate, on 10/12/2008, -0/+21I work at a restaurant as well. We don't spit in people's food and we get some of the fussiest, most self-important dumbtards to walk the face of the earth. If you're going to be a bastard right back to them if they don't tip then it sort of nullifies your deserving a tip.
- Tamriel, on 10/11/2008, -4/+25I always figured it was one of those things to do if you planned on going back. Leave a nice tip at the local *****-hole-of-a-bar and you're a regular the third time you go back. Winning the porno out of the claw machine in the back also improves bar cred. I kinda wish I was making that stuff up.
- algaeturd, on 10/12/2008, -15/+35'insure' only applies to health, loss or harm.
'ENSURE' would be the word you're looking for and that doesn't work in this acronym.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/insure
'ensure' = to secure or guarantee:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ensure - megapeg, on 10/12/2008, -0/+20It's a culture of honor. People take pride in their work, because it's the honorable thing to do.
American culture and honor aren't often uttered in the same sentence. - newbill123, on 10/12/2008, -0/+19Tips work well if you are a frequent customer. There are three restaurants I am a "regular" and I do notice significantly better service from everyone when they recognize me coming in because they know I tip generously and am not a problematic customer.
- bont, on 10/12/2008, -2/+21I was in the US for a week last week. Coming from Sydney, Australia, the tipping culture and the airlines were the only 2 negatives out of a very good trip. Waitresses and waiters in Oz get paid around $15-$20 per hour and we don't have to tip at all and service is fine. The food prices are comparable to the US. I wish the US would abolish the tipping culture because it sux.
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -4/+23A commenter here said: "At the very least, I think basing tips on the percentage of the total cost of the meal is ridiculous."
this is what I believe so I usually always tip $5.00. $5.00 for a $15.00 haircut or $5.00 on a $30 meal. Why $5? Because you can buy a little something with $5. You can buy a gallon of gas for your car, some fast food, just a little something. That is MY way of saying thanks. ***** percentages. - Murdats, on 10/12/2008, -2/+20good luck keeping your job over the guys who will do the work.
- nomadxx7, on 10/12/2008, -2/+19Tipping. It seems that a tip now is expected when you go out to eat. It's like the waiter thinks by doing his/her job that he/she is entitled to a kickback from you. The problem is that this sense of entitlement usually doesn't affect how a waiter/waitress does their job. Think of it this way, if a tip is expected do you think that a waiter is really putting that much extra effort into serving you?
I know that people in the food industry will say that 1) yes they do do a better job to get a tip or 2) that it's the only way to supplement their sub-par base pay. I used to like that you'd get nothing unless the service was exceptional or that if something was wrong that the effort was made to rectify the problem. Nowadays I don't feel that servers in general really give two ***** about the service they provide because they feel they will get their tip anyways.
For the fact that prices would go up for a meal, that is true. If you brought the cost of a $8.95 burger up 10-15% you'd maybe see a dollar extra on the burger. If this was restaurant wide (everything went up) you'd offset the 15% tip in the meal. Waiters average about $2-2.50 in base pay. The federal minimum wage is $6.55. This means that 2/3 of a waiter's pay is based on tipping. So if a waiter works an 8 hour shift he'd have to clock $32.00 in tips to make minimum wage. Say that a waiter only does 1 table per hour with 4 diners at the table. The cost of each person's meal would go up about $2 per meal.
If 4 people got $9 burgers it would run a tab of about $36 bucks. Count in 15% tip and the meal would come to $41.40. If the price of each burger went up $2 the total cost of the meal would be $44. This kind of increase though put onto the patrons would offset the low base pay given to the waiters. - miriv365, on 10/12/2008, -0/+17I kind of like the idea of doing like I saw in an episode of 3rd Rock from the Sun. In that episode one of the characters put the entire estimated tip on the table in ones. He then told the waiter that he would subtract a dollar every time he did something that displeased the customer...
- RyIvan, on 10/12/2008, -1/+17And you wonder why your not tipped, you don't like the job then quit, *****. No one is forcing you to do it, even as a fallback job there are always plenty of other places to fallback too.
- ErrorLoading, on 10/12/2008, -4/+20You know what I'd do if my job sucked and the pay wasn't there? Get a different one.
I certainly don't blame the customers of a business I work for when my employer provides ***** working conditions and ***** pay.
You are trash. - JustinHopewell, on 10/12/2008, -3/+19Pay people a proper wage, and let the customer decide if the person serving them deserves extra for doing a good job.
- mikesbaker, on 10/12/2008, -1/+165% - you do realize that if you have eaten at the same place twice you have eaten spit or worse right?
- rnelsonee, on 10/12/2008, -3/+18I don't like 'service charges' eaither but as TFA states, just raising prices for the meals is unfair to takeout customers. With a service charge, the customer is paying for the service he's using, and it's not getting spread to people who don't use waitresses. And I'm okay with that - I do takeout a lot and I wouldn't want to subsidize services other people are getting. And I'm okay with the reverse situation - like I take a tunnel to work everyday and pay the toll for that. People who don't benefit from the tunnel don't pay for it.
- wtrwlkr, on 10/12/2008, -1/+16Exactly. I've lived here for 3 years now and the first time I tipped it was because I didn't know better. The waiter looked embarassed and my friend explained to me how the Japanese view tipping. They look at it almost as an insult as if by my giving them more money they would provide better service. That and restaurants in Japan actually pay their servers a decent wage.
- inactive, on 10/12/2008, -3/+17We don't tip around here, ever. The service is great all-around in my opinion. If the waiter is a douche or sloppy, you make a complaint to the restaurant, not punish the waiter monetarily.
It shouldn't require an extra incentive for a person to do their job properly anyways. - SifuMoKung, on 10/12/2008, -3/+16When I waited tables I made more tips than my coworkers. Of course, I could also do dead-on impressions for my guests, so they felt they were also paying for entertainment as well as service. I am for tipping, especially the cash type that I didn't claim on my taxes. I don't think I was tipped out of guilt, as I think tipping is so ingrained in our culture it is calculated as part of the dining expense. As a customer, I like choosing what to give - little to nothing for crappy service, or generously for exceptional service. I feel empowered as a consumer. A nice word to the manager is nice, but giving them an extra $5.00 or so is better.
- iMyst, on 10/12/2008, -0/+13"But the United States, unlike Europe, had no aristocratic tradition, and as tipping spread — like “evil insects and weeds,” The New York Times claimed in 1897..."
Few other papers can cite themselves from 111 years prior. - Vich, on 10/12/2008, -1/+14I don't understand tipping, in countries that don't have tipping it's not like you get worse service. It also seems fairer to know how much money you're going to earn, and there are other ways customers can give feedback about service.
- enignock, on 10/12/2008, -3/+15That is insulting. I have been working in restaurants for 7 years. There is an enormous amount of diversity throughout, just like any other industry. Please don't do your research from "waiting". I don't judge you based on the fact that your nickname would suggest you are a pregnant whore who gets bent over in alleys by megadeth groupies.
- Rudegar, on 10/12/2008, -1/+13think tip is an American thing
don't see it as a default choice of operation here
in Europe
guess it's a matter of the wages - jgzman, on 10/12/2008, -0/+12There is a separate, legally set, minimum wage for tipped positions. However, if a server makes less than they would as a non-tipped position, the employer has to pay the difference.
Sadly, this is worked out over the entire pay period, not per shift. This means that if you have a great night, raking in the tips, then have a piss-poor night, making nothing, over the course of a pay-period, it averages out to minimum wage. - inactive, on 10/12/2008, -0/+11But like I said, it's called a "delivery fee"... it's deceptive if you aren't getting it, and your owner/manager are at fault. If I'm paying a delivery fee... that's a fee for delivery as far as I'm concerned... there's only so much I'm willing to pay on top of the actual advertised cost of the food. To tip 20% on top of a delivery fee is almost a 50% tip with some orders.
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