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- nerddtvg, on 07/19/2008, -9/+228Seriously. Why are Americans just taking it? Stand up and fight for your money, people!
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -11/+190Most Americans are so dumbed down and preoccupied by the lies that the oligarchy feeds them through mainstream media that they don't even realize there is a problem to be outraged about. After all, the President says the economy is fine, so it must be. The American people will not become outraged until the rug is yanked from beneath them and the ***** hits the fan full force. At that time it will be too late. This is what they have planned. Does anyone out there care? Is anyone listening? The elite have been working for more than a century and a half to create the disaster we are about to be hit with at point blank range. Are we just going to continue watching the grass grow while they finish us off?
- roosevans, on 07/19/2008, -31/+148The American people have become accustomed to "Big government" taking care of us, since the "New Deal" of the Roosevelt presidency. The American people have lost their "rugged individualism" and self reliance in dependence upon governmental entitlements and welfare. In my opinion, that is why there is no outcry at what Wall Street and the Fed is doing to the American on "Main Street".
- Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -15/+88FLUORIDE
- SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -8/+79"The most blistering attack on the ancient target of American populism was served up last October by the then president of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, William Poole. "We are going to take it out of the hides of Wall Street," muttered Mr. Poole into an open microphone"
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If that doesn't say it all..
They don't even try to hide it anymore. They're right in your face.
Abolish this theft of our American monetary system already. We don't need it. Your gov't is owned by big corp. interest and the Central banks who print the money via the illegal Federal Reserve system, which is about as "federal' as 'Federal Express.' The Federal Reserve is a private corporation and passes its own laws in complete disregard to the United States Constitution. There is NO difference between Obama or McCain. They are bought and paid for by the same people who control the Federal Reserve.
Federal Reserve (private bankers) have bought and sold politicians since their creation in 1913.
“We shall have world government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether world government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”
-Paul Warburg, Council on Foreign Relations / Architect of the Federal Reserve System
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government, the supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
- David Rockefeller, Council on Foreign Relations. - apothekari, on 07/19/2008, -2/+57Who the hell are you kidding?!!!
I've been MAD AS HELL for 8 looooong years and so have most people I know!
The Problem as I see it is that Washington is apparently a "Phantom Zone" where once our people arrive there they betray every single instinct, moral, principle and constituent they have!
Nuke em from orbit it's the only way to be sure.
I am voting AGAINST the incumbent no matter Dem or Repub you been there 2 years or 40 and if it's a 3rd party candidate I don't care if it's Rasputin reincarnated you get my vote ***** HAS GOT TO CHANGE! - girwen, on 07/19/2008, -3/+50“We shall have world government whether or not we like it. The only question is whether world government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”
-Paul Warburg, Council on Foreign Relations / Architect of the Federal Reserve System
Notice he did not say "Informed" consent.
The voice of the people has been shut down and what is left is drowned out by the new voice of persons created by 118 U.S. 394 (1886) Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company. - inactive, on 07/20/2008, -1/+48I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!
- ciaran036, on 07/19/2008, -12/+59Because America is busy reading about Paris Hilton, watching one of her porn films or playing GTA or some war propaganda game like Call of Duty 4.
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -5/+46I think most people have given up hope and become cynical. At one time in the "greed is good" days, I think many people held up the hope of joining the ranks of the wealthy themselves. Now people have just given up the fight. After all, was Enron punished?
Privatize profits, socialize losses. Welfare for the super-rich.
The only part of the article I disagree with is that somehow the Left is responsible for the creation of the Fed. The Fed is a creation by the capitalists, and for the capitalists. It is supposed to dampen the wild oscillations of naked capitalism. Capitalism depends on ever expanding markets in a global Ponzi scheme. How else can the "miracle" of compound interest work. Eventually a bubble forms and it bursts. This is not an anomaly. It is built into the system. The latest scheme to increase the size of the market is globalization. But that bubble is bursting too.
The super-rich know this. They know capitalism is just an illusion. They have their golden parachutes and know how to hedge their losses so they always come out ahead. They get out just before the bubble bursts, and then go on to create the next bubble. That's the way the system works. Steal from the poor, give to the rich. - Erich100, on 07/19/2008, -3/+38Her it is again, the bill that could set us free. Spread the word and put pressure on our Representatives to make this reality. Everything America and Americans are depends on getting out from under the Fed.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110 ... - inactive, on 07/20/2008, -9/+37I'm standing up to the man by furiously typing angry comments on the internets. That will teach em!
I'm also gaming the online polls to make Ron Paul seems more popular than he really is, that alone should fix our economy. - Hangly, on 07/19/2008, -0/+27If you imagine society as a large number of nodes that work together, like the cells in your brain, television and other media are like the alcohol that dampens the signals and makes the brain retarded.
Or, imagine society like coals in a campfire. If the coals are close together the heat will be sustained and the fire will continue to burn. Spread the coals apart, and the fire will die.
For outrage to be sustainable people need to get together. Individuals are emboldened if they know they have the support of a group behind them The internet is ok for that, but there's nothing quite like face-to-face contact for motivating people to action. - Ubermann, on 07/20/2008, -1/+261. The media does not clearly report what is going on in the financial markets to our population.
2. Americans don't give a *****.
When 60% of oil futures contracts are being bought and sold on the exchanges for SPECULATION (never to take deliver of oil, but to sell the contracts before they mature) - and no one on the news is making a stink about this - you know you're being manipulated. - Cryptocracy, on 08/17/2008, -12/+34We have Fluoride now....
- scuvball, on 07/20/2008, -5/+27[Insert abstract comment aimed to imply that I actually do ***** to change the status quo but which really highlights my pathetic life as a keyboarding crusader!]
- SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -1/+22I'd be happy to FrankHope. Thanks for your interest.
The quotes were sourced here:
http://www.constitution.org/col/cuddy_nwo.htm
linked from the Constitution Society homepage (excellent site BTW..)
http://www.constitution.org/
"This organization was founded in response to the growing concern that noncompliance with the Constitution for the United States of America and most state constitutions is creating a crisis of legitimacy that threatens freedom and civil rights. Although the focus here is on government in the United States, coverage also includes the rest of the world, and private as well as public organizations. We maintain that the principles of constitutional republicanism are universal, and applicable to all nations, although not well understood or upheld by most. We also examine the related principles of federalism and nomocracy, the rule of law, of nomology, the science of law, and show how those principles are applicable to solving the fundamental problem of avoiding excessive or unbalanced concentrations of power."
Enjoy. And have a good weekend, ~Sara - StingingNettle, on 07/19/2008, -1/+21The elite bankers propaganda was that central banks were more stable. This was an obvious lie. The $ has lost 90% of its value since its inception. We had the great depression under central banks, and many banks went under as recently at the S&L crisis. Now we have the mortgage derivative crisis. Our banks will still be writing off these losses over a year from now. FDIC is going to be very busy, which is why they had to hire back people from retirement to work for them again.
- quesi, on 07/19/2008, -3/+22ain't that the truth
- dracken, on 07/20/2008, -3/+22No.
Americans have become used to "credit". It used to be the case that you lost your job, you could not pay for food. Leave alone luxuries. A hungry stomach is a strong motivation for protest. This was the short term impetus towards outrage against financial unfairness. The longer term motivation for outrage is social mobility. If you are from the lower middle class, it used to be the case you could not afford a car or a house.
Now the short terms needs are taken care of by short term credit (credit cards) and the lack of social mobility by longer term credit (mortgages, student loans). A rich person has an Ipod. You have one too. A rich person has a car, you have one too. A rich person has a house, you have one too and Americans are content.
Americans have adjusted their lives accordingly by learning to live with debt and by refinancing. Hence the lack of outrage. The fact that a rich person has 100Mill$ in the bank and you have 500K$ debt is lost upon us.
The concept of cheap credit is a win-win situation. On the one side, wall street bankers have turned handsome profit by lending credit to the millions of lower middle class population, on the other hand it has kept those millions of lower middle class population pacified by giving them a false impression of wealth. When the millions of borrowers cannot return the money, you have government bailouts, inflation, increased taxes and decreasing value of the dollar.
Safety net like unemployment benefits and social security make for a mobile labor force and quick changes in the market. They take care of you during brief periods of unemployment while giving you opportunity for retraining. That has now been replaced by credit cards. Lost your job ? no problem. Here is a discover card with 0% APR for 1 year. Just pledge me your life in exchange.
Dont blame abstract entities like "big government". Social security is different from the mortgage crisis. Did you even pause to consider that ? Or were you too brainwashed to simply rant "big government" for every ill that faces the US ?
Safety nets like social security and unemployment benefits are the better way than taking care of the populace through cheap credit and ultimately shafting them through government bailouts of the creditors. Stop and wonder why this huge talk about "default" and "interest rate" and not talk about "jobs", "manufacturing strength" or "economic fundamentals".
I am tempted to bury your comment as pig headed sophistry. - toddhenkel, on 07/20/2008, -0/+19Setting aside the the point that Americans are too dumb, too distracted, etc. that has already been mentioned, I believe there is something else for the remaining population. They participated in the behavior.
Look how many watched with glee their home values rise at unlikely rates. Or how many over extended their credit and mortgages. Look how many have jumped into the stock market with a "I want my share too" mentality. Some of these people are still in shock I think. - samcrut, on 07/20/2008, -0/+18You're assuming we have money. Most of us owe more than we're worth. Sure I could withdraw all my cash in protest, but I doubt $853.38 would really make much of a statement.
I may not be employed by CitiBank, but I've been "working for them" for quite a few years now. - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -3/+21not sure why, but I dugg that
- inactive, on 07/19/2008, -2/+20Its no use, they just won't listen, and have been rendered incapable of grasping even basic concepts...
I think we should probably just sell up everything we have and move to china or dubai. Thats what everyone else is doing.
America is gone... let it go, move on. The rest of the world seems to be adjusting for this reality. Its quite sad :-( - diggydougie, on 07/20/2008, -1/+18There is plenty of outrage. But the MSM sees it as their responsibility to not stir up trouble, so they downplay the bad news, just like the government does. When was the last time (or ever) you heard any sitting politician or mainstream reporter say "We are in deep trouble and ______ is to blame for it, so go get 'em"? It has to be grass roots with the establishment denying it all the way.
- Ubermann, on 07/20/2008, -5/+22In the 1920s we had a strong sense of American Nationalism and we cared about this country. These days Nationalism is a bad word and thus taking pride in our country and future is dead.
- SaraLiberty, on 08/16/2008, -1/+17"First of all, you just have to know how to talk to them."
Is it really *that* easy...
I have attempted to discuss similar topics as addressed here in calm, rational manner with many family members, co-workers and friends who claim themselves to be "open minded".. All I hear is the voice of HAL, the possessed computer from 2001, saying "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave." Their eyes glaze over and they begin regurgitating the latest Fox News talking points in a frenzied panic. When they are not busting out in laughter like I'm Lily Tomlin doing stand-up at the mere mention of "one world government", NAU, FEMA camps or Federal Reserve fraud. Heaven forbid you should claim 9/11 isn't what we are told it was! Their minds have been expertly manipulated to instantly reject uncomfortable truths. Their worldview, shaped by a TV box plugged into a wall socket.
Their entire isolated one-dimensional reality dictated by what the so-called "reputable" controlled government sanctioned mass media sedates them to believe. Not by personal experience. Not from worldliness, critical thought, real life knowledge, traveling the world to take in different cultures, customs and realities, or understanding where other people are coming from and what they've been through and learned in life. They won't even consider what is really going on beyond the CNN paradigm, much less any opinion or information that doesn't comfortably agree with their TV-addled soundbites and controlled media pundit 'talking points." "Well if I didn't see it on TV it can't possibly be true!".. It's a sad state of affairs for America, for anyone who gives less than a ***** about our Constitution, our rights or freedoms this country was founded upon. Keep hope alive at any rate. I'm not ready to give up yet, by a long shot.
..Perhaps you would be most obliged to offer suggestion as to some ideas in "how to talk to them", as you claim to be well versed in this area. Or was that a front?
How about it. What are some methods in getting through to the pajama people (sleepers) I'm honestly dying to know. How do YOU talk to them and get through to them and get them to consider what you are saying? I'm all about learning and Digg is all about 'sharing information' (among other things..) so if you have anything to teach I'm all ears. Spill a few for the cause. Guess I won't hold my breasts waiting for a response..? - inactive, on 07/19/2008, -0/+16Can you provide a source for those quotes? I'd be interested in reading more about this. Thanks.
- quesi, on 07/20/2008, -1/+16hahahahahaha. Brilliant
- vinceislegend, on 07/20/2008, -0/+15If people had the ability to get outraged over Wall Street, Bush would have been impeached years ago, and 90% of Congress would have failed to get reelected.
- duckyinc, on 07/20/2008, -7/+21Why so serious?
- Dumbledorito, on 07/20/2008, -7/+21America also got their outrage-o-meters re-wired by Ronald Reagan and his ilk who somehow convinced working-class people that taxes on businesses and the wealthy are wrong and that demands made by labor (themselves) for workplace safety, health benefits, and redress against management were somehow going to destroy the country.
Even though a great many people are now suffering even more at the hands of their corporate and banking masters who think the economy is their own risk-free game of video poker, they still have this conditioning that makes them give it a pass, because somewhere they've got this delusion (much like the one perpetuated by various Lotto games) that someday THEY'LL be rich... - inactive, on 07/20/2008, -0/+13Honestly, I would be more shocked if people DID get up in arms. I mean, did you sleep through history class, or what? People never react until it's too late. It's just human nature. There's no sinister plot to keep us in the dark, it's not that we've been brainwashed or anything - it's simply that people tend to ignore that which does not directly impact their lives.
- covertbadger, on 07/20/2008, -2/+15Did you seriously just quote David Icke with a straight face? The man genuinely believes politicians are lizard monsters from space. He makes Alex Jones look like a sane and rational man.
- migshark, on 07/20/2008, -1/+14I think you guys need to walk the bloody path of Ireland. Make some examples of politicians. *menacingly taps baton in the palm of his hand*.
Of course that would be considered inciting rioting and terror so please don't take me seriously. - HappyScrappy, on 07/20/2008, -0/+13Oh, and read "When Genius Failed" and "Origins of the Crash" for some perspective on problems with the current "greed is good" system on Wall Street. There's plenty of room for Wall Street to be an engine of economic development without the ***** we've had from "Chainsaw" Al Dunlap and "CEO of the Century" "Neutron" Jack Welch. Growing a company is not the same as short-term maximizing the stock price, and it's the growth that's important for the country, not the quick cash-ins.
- sfgamergirl, on 07/20/2008, -0/+13This guy raises a good question. The next question is are we going to do something about it? The Digg community can pull together 1/2 million people to Rick Roll the Mets or get a cop a raise... where are those numbers when real issues are on the table? I'd like to hear everyone's idea for solving the problem... Now someone who is smarter than me...go.
- inactive, on 07/20/2008, -2/+14There is no outrage because it has become too risky to show any. Government can label anyone a terrorist for disagree with literally anything they do nowadays. They can lock you up without due process, put you on a no fly list and basically destroy your life. This county has destroyed the very foundations of what made it great.
- SilverBlade2k, on 07/20/2008, -0/+12People today have been wired to only care about themselves and their own little world, to ignore everything outside of their own comfort zone until the 'outside world' affects them. There is no outrage because what is happening doesn't affect *them* right now. They'll only act once their own comfort zone is threatened, but at that time, it really is too late. The U.S government knows this, the corporations created this and uses this to please the population. Nothing will happen, no outrage will happen until people wake up.
- synarchy, on 07/20/2008, -0/+11"To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers."
--Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:39 - TrevorBelmont, on 07/20/2008, -0/+11I can say why I haven't done anything. I have no idea what to do.
There are many calls above my comment to wake up and get angry with no indication of specific action. I suppose I could make a clever sign and go hold it up in the "free speech zone" but that seems as ineffectual as doing nothing at all. My resources are limited. Votes are rigged. Government, it seems, is too corrupt and to erratic to lead us back to the path.
So you've pinpointed the cultural failings that have led to our current situation. Whether it be conspiracy, complacency or "other", this brings us no closer to solution.
My question is this: At this point, on a small and personal level, what can be done? - cheekybastard, on 07/20/2008, -1/+12Jesus is a Republican and all of this is happening because God wanted it to.
- paradexes, on 07/20/2008, -0/+11Ok here is a scenario. If 4chan and all the big social networking sites were all taken down by the Govt. and you had this latest drama on Wall Street, which would cause more outrage? My guess 4chan going down. I mean look at the craziness that ensued when the Dixie Chicks made their infamous comments about the President. The resulting outrage basically ruined their career as a result.
Or the latest Lidnsay Lohan nipple slip?
Consider the ***** that Bush has done....crickets. Very little actual outrage other than what we see on Digg. He is still in office and impeachment proceedings are going through. But it is all political theatere at this point. Dems ARE weak on terror. They haven't impeached Bush. Impeach him and they will show that they are tough on terror. He is the real terrorist mastermind here. - heymisspenny, on 07/19/2008, -1/+12All due respect, but I am going to have to disagree with you.
First of all, you just have to know how to talk to them.
Second, I know it seems like a few people up against the scariest man-eating establishment alive. And I know it looks like there's no chance or the people who are finally getting it should give up ... that there aren't enough of us to rally the masses and get back our nation ... But wait, I think I've seen this before in a book or a movie somewhere?
Oh yeah, that was us. And we won. - DifferentAngle, on 07/20/2008, -2/+13Too bad there's no old-school republican party anymore either. The two-party system prevents us from addressing the issues - the parties only differ on superficial things, or in words but not in actions.
- quesi, on 07/19/2008, -0/+10That kinda talk renders you no better than "them". C'mon, man - stay and help U.S.
- SpinningHead, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10Seems to be the corporations which have become used to big government handouts and bailouts.
- OCSmoke, on 07/20/2008, -0/+10Actually yes - yes they do. Most new welfare is going to Wall Street entities, and not hungry or poor Americans.
- D3koy, on 07/20/2008, -3/+13A town I lived in voted it down, saying it was a way the government could control one more aspect of our lives, and they could poison us all and it would allow them to put other things in our water...
- whyufail, on 07/20/2008, -0/+9I'm sorry, but if you think games are being used for propaganda, Yeah, it may be skewed, but often its for the sake of the story and because its not exactly a great idea nor interesting to make the enemy you're going to be blowing to bits for the next 30 hours a happy family man. You're circling the drain of tinfoil hats. The rest I agree with however.
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