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- Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -11/+147Wait, Congress is ordering Wal-Mart to remove the shirt? That's a 1st Amendment violation if I've ever seen one...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+94LMAO @ "T-shirt watch". People are watching serious things and this loser has nothing to do better than watching T-SHIRTS at WALMART. What a life.
This is a free country. They can sell whatever they want, you Nazis. (How ironic) - raisputin3, on 10/12/2007, -23/+101Good for wal*mart, people in general, and especially "Jews", offend to easily. 90% of the people that are "offended" have no reason to be. I'd say "Freedom of Speech." 1st ammendment rights. If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you are offended by it, don't look at it.
Politiccal Correctness has gone too damned far. When people bitch and moan about a t-shirt and get congress involved. that is just completely ridiculous. Jesus shirts offend me, but I am not going to go to congress and demand that store XYZ removes them because I find them offensive.
Let people wear what they want, and if you don't like it, just ignore it. It's a freeking picture, nothing more, nothing less. I would almost guarantee that the designer that came up with the shirt did it either A) because he saw the graphic and went, "OH! Thats cool looking, I bet people would buy that!" or B) because he saw the graphic and went, "OH! Thats cool looking, I bet people would buy that!"
You people that are outraged by this are part of the problem with MY country. You and folks like you who sue McDonalds because "The coffee was too hot" or because you fell in the middle of winter in the parking lot of ACME, Inc. while wearing your cowboy boots/high heels/flip flops AND were not paying attention and have no balance or because you ate McDonalds and got FAT, don't bother that you haven't done any excersize in the past 15 years other than walking from the couch to the fridge to grab another beer.
This kind of thing makes me sick. Get over it. - RonUSMC2, on 10/12/2007, -7/+65If you read the article, they werent on sale. They were piled up to be recalled. The girl flirted with the Sales Associate and convinced him to sell some to her. The guy was being nice and they made a federal case of it.
- BuffalOBisoN, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35Support freedom of speech : buy this shirt!
- KyotoWolf, on 10/12/2007, -12/+41From what I can see of the Shirt, Its the SS Deaths Head...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS
This is completely irrelevant but considering the SS were not all apart of the Nazi Party I dont think people should generalise an entire army under a single flag. - PunkRockRalph, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26to be honest, i would have never recommended that shirt as being nazi symbolism at all. it says "since 1973", or something like that with a skull and crossbones. that date alone indicates no deliberate correlation.
/agree with raisputin3, people are way too sensitive these days. walmart should be allowed to sell straight swastsicas if they want to. its legal, and only their business will suffer as a result of that. the jews have been ***** with through ALL history, not just the holocaust. i sympathize, but come on guys, nobody's trying offend you as much as you think.
on a related note, it's hitler's birthday. - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -5/+28@mille716:
So I see you're not a big fan of free speech. You can't pick-and-choose. It's all or nothing. While I certainly don't support Nazi ideals, I think people should be allowed the right to. And what, it uses Nazi iconography? I NEVER would have known that.. and frankly, I still don't really care. - fotd42, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Division_Totenkopf
I had never heard of this before the controversy either, and would've thought nothing of it if I saw it on the shelves. Congress did sort of go a little overboard, but I'm glad to see sites like the consumerist take the lead. - chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22It's so damn obscure. Who really cares.
- pevensen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18I would have never know this was a Nazi image.
Now, isn't banning an image acting like the.. uh.. Nazi's? - egbert, on 10/12/2007, -12/+28"Wait, Congress is ordering Wal-Mart to remove the shirt? That's a 1st Amendment violation if I've ever seen one..."
Did you actually read the letter. Congress is not ordering Wal-Mart to remove the shirt. Wal Mart had already agreed to remove the shirt from the bad press it was receiving. Some members of congress sent a letter to ask the status of the removal of the shirts. No 1st Amendment suppression of speech. - rockchops, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Pardon my ignorance but, I'm not familiar with this Nazi iconography. Could someone please explain?
- Refrag, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Here are the names of members of congress that apparently haven't read the Bill of Rights:
The following members of Congress signed the letter: Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Corrine Brown (D-FL), Joseph Crowley (D-NY), Diane Watson (D-CA), Anthony Weiner (D-NY), Gary Ackerman (D-NY), Steven Rothman (D-NJ), Mark Kirk (R-IL), Shelley Berkley (D-NV), Keith Ellison (D-MN), Dave Loebsack (D-IA), Charles A. Wilson, Jr. (D-OH), Hank Johnson (D-GA), Alcee L. Hastings (D-FL), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), Raul Grijalva (D-AZ), Michael McNulty (D-NY), Steve Israel (D-NY), Barney Frank (D-MA), Carolyn Kilpatrick (D-MI) and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz (D-FL).
And here is what they wrote:
Dear Colleague:
Please join me in sending the attached letter to Wal-Mart President and CEO, H. Lee Scott, Jr., urging him to inform Congress about what steps he is currently taking and will take to ensure that T-shirts with this Nazi insignia are not sold in his stores.
An Associated Press report on November 13, 2006, indicated that Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. had agreed to immediately remove T-shirts that display the insignia of Nazi Germany's 3rd SS Division Totenkopf from its shelves. A Wal-Mart spokesman acknowledged last year, "We would never have placed this T-shirt on our shelves had we known the origin and significance of this emblem." Unfortunately, reports suggest that the product remains on Wal-Mart shelves.
To add your name to this letter please contact [redacted]@mail.house.gov in my office.
Sincerely,
Jan Schakowsky
February 08, 2007
Mr. H. Lee Scott, Jr.
President and Chief Executive Officer
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
702 S.W. 8th Street
Bentonville, AR 72716
Dear Mr. Scott:
We were pleased to learn from an Associated Press report on November 13, 2006, that Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. had agreed to immediately remove T-shirts from its shelves that display the insignia of Nazi Germany's 3rd SS Division Totenkopf. As your spokesman David Tovar acknowledged last year, "We would never have placed this T-shirt on our shelves had we known the origin and significance of this emblem."
Unfortunately, reports this week suggest that the product remains on your retailer's shelves. We are gravely dismayed about Wal-Mart's inaction on its pledge to remove this product from its stores, and we ask that you take immediate steps to comply with last November's commitment to remove this offensive merchandise from your shelves.
The Holocaust was the most horrific human atrocity the world saw during the last century and perhaps in the history of the planet. However, genocide and hate remain amongst us today. It is critical that we remember the Nazis' crimes and take action to prevent future atrocities.
Therefore, we respectfully request that you inform us about the actions you are taking and will take to ensure that this type of product is not sold in your stores. Thank you for your attention to this matter. We look forward to hearing from you within the next 30 days.
Sincerely,
### - Cougaboy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Did anyone else read the other article in that series where they point out that the shirt's designer is a Jew?
http://consumerist.com/consumer/3rd-ss-division-totenkopf/designer-of-walmarts-nazi-shirt-found-hes-jewish-219656.php - Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16@KyotoWolf
I was wondering what the supposed imagery was, the since 1978 below the skull probably indicates a lazy t-shirt company that googled skull and put that on a t-shirt. It is most likely unintentional. - Sithlrd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Really. I mean it's a ***** skull. Been into a Harley store lately? They're all over the damn place. Get a life and leave people's freedom of expression alone.
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I agree with almost everything you just said. However, I would strongly suggest looking up the details on the McDonalds Coffee incident. You'll find out that the lawsuit was justified much more than you'd expect.
- kublerross, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@fotd42 youre glad the consumerist is taking the lead in what? destroying the 1st amendment?
im no fan of walmart, nazis, or that tshirt, but i sure as hell like freedom of speech - dfunct, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I was just going to post a comment of the same sentiment.
Free speech means free, not just what you agree with ... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13They shouldn't have to remove it.
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@bcasper1 6
Don't forget that this shirt was not designed by a murderer. It was most likely designed by someone not even alive during the holocaust, it's most likely to be worn by people not even alive then.
On a side note, I get offended every time I see a train or cross railroad tracks because of the slave labor my ancestors went through to build railroad tracks. Not even the same ones I cross, and not even the same trains use them...but I'm still offended by them.... - kahlessreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Without that Wiki link someone posted i would have never known it was a Nazi symbol just think its a cool skull and cross bones. And what does 1978 have to do with Nazi's I'm just so confused what the big deal is?
- WasabiBomb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As far as I know, the swastika is only illegal in Germany.
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11@thesevenduffs:
Are you seriously likening selling t-shirts to imprisoning/genocide? - DagYo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I didn't know the Nazi party started in 1978
- Simcom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Only $7.83 for that sweet shirt? Do they have it in medium?
Seriously, the fact that our congressmen have time to dick around mailing a letter to Walmart about some stupid shirt with a skull on it shows how misplaced their priorities are. - PhairOh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Disclaimer: I'm Jewish.
That shirt looks really cool. I kinda want one. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What the hell gives the government any say in walmart carrying this?
- mille716, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Everyone is missing the point here. Walmart doesn't HAVE to remove the shirts. This isn't a free speech issue. They said they would after it was pointed out what the symbol was and they apologized. It was an honest mistake and they wanted to correct it since having a shirt with a nazi symbol doesn't mesh well with Walmart's image. No problem. No need to protest.
What people are upset about now is that after saying they would remove the shirts they continued to try to sell them in another section of the country. They lied. - WasabiBomb, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6No, they don't have to remove the shirts. Yes, they said they would.
What worries me, though, is that Congress felt they needed to, and had the right to, get involved in what is clearly a free speech and free market issue. - Titan486, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10What was that picture used for in the Nazi society? I've never seen it related to Nazis before.
- Muyoso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@ refrag
Oh imagine that, all democrats save for 1. Glad congress is really tackling the tough issues now that dems have control. - mlock2k, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I'm black can i sport a nazi shirt in my hood ? Hitler did love black folk didnt he ?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7So what, if you don't want the shirt don't buy it.
IT is not like it is obvious to anyone that it is NAZI related. - peppino, on 06/03/2008, -0/+4That graphic looks identical to the "Skull & Bones" pin (you know... the secret society that George Bush & Clinton allegedly belong to?)
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/the_bones.htm
(doesn't show up well in firefox) - ropers, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10A totally clueless KyotoWolf wrote:
"considering the SS were not all apart of the Nazi Party I dont think people should generalise an entire army under a single flag."
That is wrong on so many levels.
Just for starters, your post includes a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS .
What does it say in the FIRST SENTENCE on that page?
"The Schutzstaffel (...), abbreviated (...) SS (...), was a large security and military organization of the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party) in Germany."
Did you get that? But wait, there's more: From the German Wikipedia article:
"Die Aufgabe der SS ist zunächst die Ausübung des Polizeidienstes innerhalb der Partei."
That's a Hitler quote. It means "The role of the SS initially is to act as a police service inside the party." The party here meaning the Nazi party, the NsDAP. Also from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS :
"Die SS war maßgeblich am Holocaust beteiligt und wurde nach 1945 als verbrecherische Organisation verboten."
Translation:
The SS had a major role in the Holocaust and was banned after 1945 as a criminal organization.
Please Diggger, digg KyotoWolf down. I just can't stand SS apologists. Irrespective of whether they're speaking out of ignorance or for Holocaust denial reasons.
KyotoWolf, you've one chance to apologize and retract your comments. Without a retraction and apology you will have comprehensively discredited yourself. - sanman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Emergency! We need a Code 'Guardian'! Calling for a Code 'Guardian'!
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1qw98_codeguardian
Hehe, couldn't resist ;P - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Does it come in "***** brown"?
- trogdor282, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Wow kyoto, read your own link, the SS was a wing of the nazi party. Perhaps you're thinking of the Wehrmacht.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9"The Holocaust was the most horrific human atrocity the world saw during the last century and perhaps in the history of the planet."
Ha my god. Come on, lady! Hundreds of millions died from war and famine between 1900 and 1950. We can't keep the focus on Jews 100% of the time. "History of the planet"... god... what an absurdly narrow-minded, subjective viewpoint. - gharding, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/F13-danzig-color.jpg
Not the best picture on the world, but I don't really feel like GISing for Nazi symbols in a heavily-Jewish work environment :) - amoirae, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I'm surprised you don't know the difference between a possessive and a plural.
- clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Image... ok.... but 1978?
I believe we got rid of the Nazi's in the mid 40's.
So, what is "since 1978"? - uselessexpert, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6DAMN I WANT ONE!!! I just love to piss people off!
- Mosatii, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Deaths Head
- f201, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5mille: ""Please don't sell shirts with nazi symbols on them. If you do sell those shirts we will exert our right to point out that Walmart isn't living up to its wholesome American image".
Those people should exert their rights to not buy the shirts. - clickwir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4They don't have to. They are choosing to. But not.
- Santabot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5http://www.pzg.biz/t-shirts.htm
They have 2 of the SS shirts similar to the Wal-Mart one here if anyone would like to buy one, they're not the exact same, but whatever.. I'm considering it.. ha. - scabbers, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So it would be okay for Wallyworld to start selling Osama t-shirts and toy twin towers with planes between them?
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