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- FuryOfThor, on 07/03/2008, -10/+174Government employees? I highly doubt productivity will suffer much.
- fyngyrz, on 07/05/2008, -0/+73It certainly isn't what I expected - four, ten hour days as compared to five, eight hour days saves 20% in transport fuel costs, reduces peak traffic congestion 1 day out of seven, plus gives those employees a weekday free when other businesses are open.
It's... it's as if common sense broke out somehow, but I know that cannot possibly be the case, as this is a government operation.
Wait. I know. They'll make them drive in and pick up their paychecks on day five. That's got to be it. - aelder, on 07/03/2008, -5/+701. Move to Utah
2. Get Government Job
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4. Not what you expected eh? - jonathonmc, on 07/03/2008, -4/+50This is a fantastic idea - and a great example for companies. The next step would be a Federal tax break for companies who allow this and/or telecommuting.
- PhilLesh69, on 07/04/2008, -3/+38Considering the rule of thumb that in any government office, 8 out of 10 are doing nothing while the other two are doing all the work, perhaps they should just tell those 8 people to stay home altogether. Even if they keep paying them, it reduces all the costs of them commuting into the office, it reduces pollution and fuel consumption.
- diceau, on 07/05/2008, -4/+394 day work week = win, it should be everywhere.
- jonathonmc, on 07/03/2008, -2/+33I work 4 10s and it actually increases my productivity. I can actually finish tasks which I start in the same day.
- MrMetal, on 07/04/2008, -4/+29I never thought I'd say this, but I think I want to move to Utah.
- XoieJuno, on 07/03/2008, -8/+32But now they have to put in 10 hour days... I don't know about some people but I'm really really ready to leave by hour 8 let alone earlier than that. If you get any day off it should be wednesday as that would at least cut the week in half. Friday off just gets compressed into the weekend and it doesn't seem as long.
- Barackalypse, on 07/05/2008, -4/+24I wish Digg had better dupe detection, this place is starting to feel like Slashdot. From the front page a day ago:
http://digg.com/environment/Utah_s_Mandatory_4_Day ... - wrzhydr, on 07/05/2008, -0/+20When i did the switch from 5 day to 4 day work weeks, I noticed the 2 hours extra. Then I was blindsided by the 3 days off in a row. That was my saving ***** grace. You get conditioned into expecting to work on Friday, and now you don't so Thursday feels really bad till you realize you don't have work the next day. Too bad I had to go back to 5 days a week now. I feel robbed.
- raybury, on 07/05/2008, -1/+15"Starting next month, thousands of government employees will only work 4 days per week"
Nationwide, thousands of government employees work 4 days a week. Among millions who might work one or two.
Seriously, the 4x10 or even 4x9 is long overdue in a large portion of the private sector as well as the public sector. Many office workers, production workers, and students would be more productive by adding an additional useful hour to four days a week instead of having a fifth day where, considering ramp-up, lunch breaks, and ramp-down time, probably doesn't contribute more than four good hours.
Seven-day firm and agency functions already usually schedule folks for five days among seven, not always sequential, but why not imitate nursing, where three or four long days is the norm? Waivers should allow employers to avoid overtime costs if employees are kept to 80 hours in two weeks as opposed to 40 in one -- e.g. 3x12 and 4x12 should be 4 hours OT instead of 8, 4x9 and 9-9-9-9-8 would be no OT instead of 4. The latter system, where workers get 26 three-day-weekends per year by working 9 hours every M-Th and 8 every Friday, before holidays, personal days, and vacation, has already been tried by some companies. Rules could be finessed to avoid abuses.
Finally, making Friday a default weekend day or a more frequent one would be a good way to integrate Muslims living in the West, whose Friday worship they would look forward to on the weekend just as Jews do their Saturday synagogue and most Christians their church services. If this is not seen as a capitulation -- always a danger from political Islamists even when the West genuinely deals from a position of strength and freedom -- but as a way to ease assimilation, all the better. (It would be de facto whether or not it is portrayed that way. Currently I imagine there are some Muslims in jobs that allow them to be off Friday but which leave them with less income and advancement than ones they might fill if this impediment weren't there. Ironically, observant Jews have long had the opposite experience -- their faith-based aversion to Saturday work keeps them out of some of our ***** industries, especially retail sales.) - korvan504521, on 07/04/2008, -1/+15meh. I work 12s at my job. It's not a big deal. The comp time makes up for it. And I'd much rather have friday off.
- SteaminTmann, on 07/05/2008, -1/+14Hour 8? *****, I'm ready to leave by hour 4!
- batmanz, on 07/05/2008, -1/+13Hey, my State featured on Digg. And it isn't something bad. I am amazed.
- xexx, on 07/05/2008, -3/+14damn workers for being represented... they should work 16 hours a day for pennies an hour.
- raybury, on 07/05/2008, -0/+10Okay, can we start with Congress?!
- bensone1, on 07/04/2008, -2/+12All they need now is a siesta and it would be heaven!
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -8/+18first off we dont want the majority of you ***** to move here. we like it unspoiled and traffic free so stay the ***** out. we enjoy our outdoor activities and amazing mountains, so just keep thinking its a desert filled with mormons. nothing to see here, move along.
- Renian, on 07/05/2008, -0/+9But...do you profit?
- greenlight2001, on 07/05/2008, -1/+10I just never make it off the couch.
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -1/+9Thank god, liquor stores will stay open on fridays.
- Kas70, on 07/05/2008, -0/+8Caffeine access is the same as anywhere. Alcohol access is doable: Liquor store for the hard stuff, wines, and beer over 3.2% alcohol (M-Sa, some close at 6pm, some close at 10pm), and most other stores for beer/wine coolers. Bars serve beer, private clubs serve liquor.
And, I wouldn't go so far as to say that "Utah has a vast array of culture...". It doesn't.
Source: I live here - samyoungguitar, on 07/05/2008, -5/+12Your state still sucks
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -0/+7No, it's better :) Fridays off and a nice, peaceful, almost absolutely crime-free atmosphere to live in.
- samyoungguitar, on 07/05/2008, -5/+12How the hell are they supposed to feed 11 kids?
- desertDenizen, on 07/05/2008, -1/+7Zion, Bryce, Moab, Arches... all awesome.
- Ajajadude, on 07/05/2008, -0/+6I was thinking the other day while driving to work how companies should probably stagger the times they officially start their work day. If the majority of people are all going to work at the same time, obviously traffic problems are going to arise.
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -0/+64 day school work.
- raybury, on 07/05/2008, -0/+6(8+1+2) x 5 = 55 hours out of your life and only two days open.
(10+1+2) x 4 = 52 hours out of your life and three days open. Also possibly less traffic if days people work vary. - dood, on 07/05/2008, -0/+62 hour commute? That's rubbish!
- CYR1X, on 07/05/2008, -3/+9I bet they still have to work more.
Either way, I'd take longer days for a shorter week. - Renian, on 07/05/2008, -1/+7Common sense can break out in state governments. As for the federal government...That's a bit more difficult. More power, more prestige...more ***** red tape and lust for personal gain.
- stretch611, on 07/05/2008, -0/+6The problem with congress is that no one can find the 2 people that actually work.
- Cnat, on 07/05/2008, -0/+5This really seems like progress. Now if they could just get it a little closer to zero...
- warlax27, on 07/05/2008, -4/+9I can't wait to move to Utah and live with Mormons....
- apophenic, on 07/05/2008, -0/+5Usually lunch is built into the amount of time you spend there. A nine to five job is still an eight hour day. And commuting an hour to get to work is insane.
- jayrok, on 07/05/2008, -0/+5Will "work" only 4 days? That's implying work was actually done on more than 4 days before. I think more appropriate would be "Will be required to by physically present only 4 days a week".
- blackjack75, on 07/05/2008, -1/+6except one day ago I obviously missed it... that's why I dugg it today and others did too. The system works perfectly for me. Just ignore dupes.
- DaHuuuuuudge, on 07/05/2008, -0/+4They would have to do the errands anyway...
- sardion2000, on 07/05/2008, -0/+4@outlaw686,
uh no it doesn't. It just means that the company pays for your internet connection and possibly even a work laptop or two. My company is encouraging it and have actually gone from 4 floors to 3 in less than a year cutting overhead dramatically. - jeshjohn, on 07/05/2008, -0/+4I do that now 7AM-5:30PM
30 Minute Lunch.
I just don't work when I get home though. - Jhiaxuz, on 07/05/2008, -0/+4Better buff them with flasks then.
- inactive, on 07/05/2008, -1/+5ElliuotatarElliuotatar
And that is your assumption based on absolutely nothing right? - inactive, on 07/05/2008, -1/+5To me 6,7,8,9 or even 10 hour days mostly feels the same to me. I barely notice the difference.
- faraggi, on 07/05/2008, -0/+4you MUST be canadian, eh?
- Hangingtree, on 11/04/2008, -0/+4I live in Utah as well, and I wouold say we are very culturally diverse. Perhaps not so much as California, and I can compare, being raised there and then living in Utah for the past 15 years. Utah, despite the stereotypes is a modern state, with anything you would find anywhere else. And it is cleaner and safer than most states as well.
- enri, on 07/05/2008, -0/+4Studies what shown that work productivity is an inverted bell curve [citation needed]. By extending the work day to 10 hours workers got less work done in a day. Conversely, by reducing the work day to six hours workers were able to get about the same amount of work done because they stayed more focused.
Otherwise I agree with Utah's reasons. - blackjack75, on 07/05/2008, -1/+5Still doesn't beat France's 35 hour week.
Yeah I know "frog, frog, surrender, surrender blah blah". - ostracize, on 07/05/2008, -0/+3Oh ho! Snap...snap...
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