What is Digg?298 Comments
- lucutus, on 01/24/2008, -4/+199Has anyone else noticed comments and or threads of comments mysteriously deleted as well?
- msaleem, on 01/24/2008, -1/+130Top user or not, it should be an equal playing field. Doesn't matter what your standing is, every user should have an equal chance at the front page. Though the system pretends to be helping new users, it hurts them even more.
- natdowner, on 01/24/2008, -2/+105It does make it harder for people who aren't top diggers to get stories to the homepage now. There's no way people who aren't top diggers are going to have 200 people just happen upon their profile, see the story and vote for it. And I think it's pretty well known that if the same people vote for your stuff over and over then you need more votes, so you can't really rely on the same network of friends. It doesn't make a lot of sense to make it harder to get things to go popular. I mean, the point of digg is to let the diggers decide. So in my opinion as much stuff as possible should be put infront of the diggers and they can decide whether it should be dugg or buried. By making it even harder for people to see your stuff, I just don't see how the helps anyone.
- hoopajoo, on 01/24/2008, -1/+99I think there should be a way to unbury a comment if you accidentally hit it instead of digg.
- doublehead, on 01/24/2008, -2/+99Great! Just when I get heavily involved here the whole place goes poof
- lucidguru, on 01/24/2008, -4/+89Yeah the number of burys required to nix an article is absurd. Digg needs a much more lenient system like reddit where a downmod (bury) has the same weight as an upmod (digg). The current system of burying puts too much power in the hands of trolls and the bury brigade. This system encourages only generalized material to make the front page, while interesting and controversial material appears only rarely. Digg is becoming nothing more than a sensationalist hub for the mainstream media. (It's not surprising that articles about Britney Hilton and Brad Gibson and articles from ABC, Fox, etc.. now appear much more frequently than before.)
Even the [Reported by Diggers as Possibly Inaccurate] frustrates me because legitimate opinions are now taken out of context for the effect of discrediting websites and bloggers. (The straw man argument is ***** lame).
The worst part is that digg now loads at a snails pace and frequent diggers are dropping like flies... Way to alienate your base and sell out digg! I can only expect this to get worse. - cococooky, on 01/24/2008, -1/+69I've noticed my comments disappear. What happened was I replied to someone who had their account deleted, along with all their submissions and comments.
- puto, on 01/24/2008, -5/+72digg censors, and that is a fact
- lucutus, on 01/24/2008, -0/+47Heh, And I was so excited to get my first front page story just a week or two ago. Thanks for the Bury stats link. Quite some statistics available if you look. Seems like political submissions call out quite the bury count. I think it's to bad you can see who diggs but not who hits bury. It's not quite as transparent as one would think it should be. If a bury has more weight than a digg you'd think it more important to know who hit bury and if someone buries everything should theirs count less?
- Misinformant, on 01/24/2008, -6/+52Wanna see buried? Watch this...
1) Ron Paul is an imbecille*
2) Wii is overrated*
3) Halo is overrated*
4) Linux is worthless
5) I hate Macs*
6) Fox News rocks
7) Religion is better than sliced bread...
8) ...especially scientology
9) Thank "god" for the Bush family
10) Liberals are devil worshipping fags
11) Pot turns your kids into crazed fiends...
12) ...but alcohol is a-ok!
13) Jack Thompson is right about video games
* = I'm dead serious about these ones - fthead9, on 01/24/2008, -3/+46Great post, I'm seriously disappointed in this new development. It makes no sense from either a user stand point or from a business one as far as I can see. Maybe Kevin and the gang have just spread themselves to thin with all of their projects and now it is starting to show.
- inactive, on 01/24/2008, -13/+55I honestly could care less about promoting a blog or anything else.... Digg isn't fun anymore. That's the real tragedy. Too bad you're too stupid to see that. I guess that's why you have so many friends
- ff4marvel, on 01/24/2008, -2/+38the best part is YOUR PROFILE is given as an example of a troll.
did you even read the article? - inactive, on 01/24/2008, -0/+32Yeah, I did noti
- gbarberi, on 01/24/2008, -0/+30The more they play with the algorithm, the worse it gets for all of us. Top users need so many diggs to get to the frontt page, but us new users need more and more just to gain visibility in the queue.
Of the new users coming into digg, who do you think stands a better chance of getting to the FP?
The spammers who are willing to game the system and f**k the rules sideways? Or the new users who are willing to play by the rules? - DigiDave, on 01/24/2008, -0/+29I've been thinking of leaving for some time now too. Still haven't decided. A few weeks ago I wrote about Digg's IM epidemic
http://www.digidave.org/adventures_in_freelancing/ ...
This was a sign of the spamming and the trolls - it's gotten really bad. The fact is - unique hits is like red meat to a tiger. Even though Digg traffic tends to be low quality (locusts that eat up bandwith without actually reading anything), it's too attrative to people that can use digg as a tool to make quick cash. That has turned the site from good to bad to worse. - Burento, on 01/24/2008, -4/+31If you are a top user it is because have proven to provide the overall collective of users material they are interested in. Msaleem has always provided top notch high quality material. Now they have to get 2 times as many votes for that same high quality material and someone submitting crap content and has not proven themselves can get it to the front page easier...
There has been quite a few changes at Digg lately and they all have seemed to take us further and further from a fair and interesting Digg. - dball48, on 01/24/2008, -0/+25Are my diggs gonna carry less weight if I digg this article?
- ff4marvel, on 01/24/2008, -1/+24No, you just spam digg and don't earn a living for it. Congratulations.
- notque, on 01/24/2008, -1/+24Discussion of these topics is important. You're not aloud to discuss banned diggers on digg, so the best we can do is talk about the algorithm.
- Nomadelle, on 01/24/2008, -2/+24It is sad to see the veterans who have invested their time, effort, and energy into a community that isn't returning the favor. Problem is: Digg isn't defending itself. It isn't giving people ANY explanations as to why they are banning various strong Diggers and increasing the quota to reach FP. Digg isn't addressing the autobury situation adequately... It looks like Digg will implode if it continues in this self-destructive path and ignore this situation further...
- SniperZero, on 01/24/2008, -1/+23ROFL WAFFLES. I think you just got pwned.
- notque, on 01/24/2008, -2/+23Agreed
- SniperZero, on 01/24/2008, -0/+21Yeah it sucks. I have a comment in my profile that doesn't show up on the damn page >_>.
- moojj, on 01/24/2008, -0/+20It's 200 diggs for regular users. Newcomers still have the lower threshold.
- sockpuppets, on 01/24/2008, -1/+21I stopped submitting stories. It's just not worth it.
- Burento, on 01/24/2008, -5/+25Sad thing is.. This will go front page and people will all bitch and yell about this and they are in the right to do so.
Problem is Digg has and will always do whatever they want to do. Ever wonder why so much Ron Paul stuff can get through when they openly admit to spamming and gaming Digg? Cause Digg staff like Ron Paul.
We will all say we hate it and we all wish it would change but in the end... it will remain the same... or erm.. it will actually probably get worse.. - msaleem, on 01/24/2008, -5/+25Well this one has already been censored...
- dn11, on 01/24/2008, -0/+20i don't think they are "mysteriously deleted" in most cases - I think it is just bugs with the comment system. I've left comments that are totally uncontroversial in any way that seemed to disappear
- brentinkc, on 01/24/2008, -2/+21The bury process should be as transparent as the digg. The Yin and the Yang.
- Nougat, on 01/24/2008, -1/+20But in the last six months you've posted 7600+ comments here? Seems like you not only care, but care deeply.
- QGYH2, on 01/24/2008, -3/+20Well, under the current system, top users get an average of 80 or so diggs for every story they submit, vs 5 - 10 for typical ordinary users. I'd love to say that this is because top users are ultra clever but you and I both know that's not the reason :)
is that a level playing field? definitely not. However, diggs attempt to 'fix' this is making things even more screwed up than usual. But that's how digg works
personally, I've seen hundreds of links I submit cheerfully linkjacked and submitted by popular users. I'm not complaining, but it would be cool to have a level playing field. I doubt that will ever happen here though. - FatLoser, on 01/24/2008, -0/+17I don't submit stuff because I know it won't get any attention at all. No point in trying to compete with MrBabyMan or any of the others. They could submit 2girls1cup, goatse, lemonparty, etc. and it would get more diggs than if I submitted the cure for cancer.
- Djokuuskaj, on 01/24/2008, -0/+17that wasnt as disgusting as i thought it would be.
- anarchyinthekr, on 01/24/2008, -1/+18i meant to digg you up but I buried you accidentally
- dotlizard, on 01/24/2008, -0/+16i couldn't agree with you more without spraining something.
- theblt, on 01/24/2008, -14/+28It's piss poor written blogs such as this making it to the front-page that make me want to leave Digg. On top of that, it's comments like these that make me want to leave. Nothing Digg has ever done has ever made me want to leave. I trust that Kevin & Co. are dedicated to creating a huge community of dedicated users.
Why in the hell would they abuse us? Why the hell would they abandon the thing that keeps them alive? Why would they censor comments/articles? They don't have a ***** political agenda to push out on us.
All of you morons spewing out this nonsense are what destroys this site. You all think that "The Man" is out to get you guys, and you're constantly being censored by some authority. I don't know if this is just the general personality of a geek, but it's quite apparent in most of the users here. Maybe if you'd start giving Digg the benefit of the doubt, and stop assuming they're trying to "manipulate" us, maybe you'd see things in a different light.
Then you all speak about democracy, and how Digg is no longer a democratic system. Well...wait a minute. I've had many of my comments buried by the Digg community, simply because I support some conservative views. The result, a comment that displays in a gray box that most won't even see. I'll make legitimate arguments, showing sources, yet get buried, without any responses.
Hypocrisy? Maybe. Stupid? Absolutely.
[Now watch me get buried for simply stating my opinion.] - HardChargerxxx, on 01/24/2008, -2/+16I'm new to Digg, so these issues are a little over my head, BUT I can tell you that I really enjoy this site. I used to get updates from cnn.com, but I tend to rely more on digg at this point.
- jemka, on 01/24/2008, -1/+15*couldn't care less
- bs0l, on 01/24/2008, -0/+14I gave up on submitting, people see my stories for like 1 minute (if that) before 100 new stories are posted.
- sobe86, on 01/24/2008, -2/+15I dunno about you guys, but I actually don't mind about the threshold changes that much, because I hardly ever submit stories. Why you ask? I had a few stories make it to the front page when I first started, and looking back on it, I have no idea how they got there, they weren't even that great. It was nice seeing something I'd submitted get to the front page, but to be honest, it didn't feel like THAT much of an achievement, because I had had nothing to do with any of the things I had submitted, it was just me posting someone elses video, and getting some sort of reflected glory off it. I get a lot more satisfaction when a comment I submit gets more than 100 diggs, or if I get people leaving nice replies. And it doesn't feel like blind luck either.
- superawesome, on 01/24/2008, -0/+13I think it is their cache system acting up. I run a website that used to do quite a bit of memcached, and let me tell you, it is really easy to screw up. People would post comments, but memcached wouldn't suck them up into the rendered HTML and so "the comment i just posted isn't showing up" was always a problem.
- notque, on 01/24/2008, -0/+13And you call yourself a sock? For shame...
- dotlizard, on 01/24/2008, -3/+16it would make perfectly logical sense to give some preferential treatment, algorithmically speaking, to those with solid reputations, i.e., the top Diggers. the reason i follow them is that i trust/respect their contributions and count on them to find and submit things that are interesting and relevant.
and i'd think that having a number of these individuals who give over a significant amount of their time and effort towards building their reputations would be a big value-add to Digg, because dedicated users that work hard at making your website run better would seem to be an asset. can't really understand alienating your most valuable contributors, but maybe that's just me. - superawesome, on 01/24/2008, -0/+12I agree that it should show buries. Honestly this place is to impersonal for people to call individuals out. The biggest insult would be "OMG, notque is a bot!" or "notque always buries articles about de-meowing cats"
- phnx0221, on 01/24/2008, -0/+12What's really frustrating for me, is that while I definitely spend a lot of time reading and digging articles, I also spend a lot of time discussing those articles in the comment threads. I have yet to see a place that is as active as digg, with the same type of comments and discussion activity that I see here. There are many articles of high importance, especially pertaining to politics, where people could really benefit from seeing and participating in the discussions in those threads. So while I loathe the new algorithm system, and I'm really frustrated with the censoring/burying/bans, etc, there just isn't a place that I've seen that is quite like this. I love this place, I love the community, and I love the discussions that I see take place. I love that it was democratic, and user friendly. While I am upset that it's changing, and I'm not sure if I'd like to leave because of it, I'd hate to see everything that I love about this place get flushed down the toilet of mainstream *****. So yeah...same boat.
- inactive, on 01/24/2008, -0/+11Yes but I think it could just be buggy code. I've seen threads disappear where there was nothing really controversial in any of the posts and the posters are still around.
- brentinkc, on 01/24/2008, -0/+11Or will your buries carry more if you bury it?
- superawesome, on 01/24/2008, -3/+14"Now watch me get buried for simply stating my opinion"
That is what is wrong with digg. You cannot state your opinion if it goes against the "bias" of an article without getting buried into the ground. Do you want to voice your opinion, even if it is well reasoned and well written only to see it get -20? What is the point of debating, even when you know you are right, when you know you'll just get -20 for daring to question the bias?
How to fix?
*Limited moderation points.*
- Daily kos gives you a limited amount of "recommendations" per day and only those with enough recommendations can downrate (bury) a comment.
- Slashdot dishes out moderation points at random. Like jury duty, some people get them a lot, some never get them.
- Kuro5hin would average all comment ratings (dailykos and slashdot both are additive). Dunno which is better.
*Better comment formating*
- Please let me bold text and format URL's the way I want. Even a minimal set of formatting lets me express myself better.
- Please fix the way this place does linebreaks. No other site manages to add weird extra paragraphs in my comments.
*Plesant threading*
- comments are hard to follow
- There is an "invisible" limit to threading. Even though the system tries to let me reply to deep comments, it never lets me post them. - Skitzzo, on 01/24/2008, -0/+11Is this going to be like the night they tried to pull that hex code?
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